Russian jet Su-27 cuts within 100 feet only of U.S. Air Force RC-135

[pakdefender]

America's helplessness in face of an adversary who can hit back just as well is quite palpable

 

[xunzi]

Consider the US got lucky this time. Russian is not a soft spoken bear. LOL

 

[Oldman1]

Cut the crap-
I am sure if the RC was in international space it would have stayed there-
Chikening out into swedish airspace illegaly means it was in violation and russia had every right to bring it down if they wanted-

1. If it was in Russian airspace as some of you claimed, it would have been shot down long ago before escaping.
2. Why would a Russian fighter need to get within a hundred feet to shoot down a plane that is violating Russian airspace? Are Russian missiles that bad these days?

The alternative is something that we saw by the Chinese which was ram into an American plane, forcing it to land into Chinese territory. Don't want that to happen again.

And this is no different than escorting or scaring off a Russian bomber in the Pacific or Arctic Ocean.

Consider the US got lucky this time. Russian is not a soft spoken bear. LOL

Either its luck or Russian incompetence. Allowing a slow moving target to get away.

 

[MadeintheUSA]

I don't like to chest thump and boast rhetoric but it is you who needs to update yourself on the highlighted part. US does not violate our airspace at will and all drone strikes are with the coordination of Pakistan and to support operation zarba-e-Azb.



Then why did the US plane felt the need to escape the Russian fighter and violate another countries airspace (Sweden)?

US does violate your airspace at will - we don't seek your permission when we have to land, capture or kill terrorist you harbor. And we've been droning that country for close to 10 years

and aircraft probably banked into Swedish airspace because the Russians are unstable lately.

 

[gambit]

Then why did the US plane felt the need to escape the russian fighter and violate another countries airspace (Sweden)?

Because the RC crew recognized the radar targeting signature from the MIG. I have explained many times the differences between signals on this forum. Were you asleep in class ?

You do understand that this is an EM SIGINT aircraft, no ? You do understand that the RC would have the analytical capabilities to dissect any intercepted signals, no ? Crossing into Swedish airspace was the safest route possible.

What the hell happened to critical thinking ?

Please sir explain to me if it did not violated the russian airspace, why was SU-27 scrambled to intercept when as per you it wasn't in the russian air space and than again the US plane violated Swedish airspace after it was denied permission to escape SU-27.

When a TV station transmit, its signals do not stop at the borders. I can have a receiver outside the borders and watch any show I want. Same thing for EM SIGINT. We did to the Chinese and we flew outside of Chinese airspace and picked up any signals available. That is why the initials SIGINT stands for: Signals Intelligence.

For any country that is the target of a SIGINT flight, it can do either nothing or send a message. That message is often a physical presence to let the spy know that he is being watched while he watches. So just because the Russian sent an interceptor, that does not mean the US violated Russian airspace. I know you are desperate to attribute the worst motive to US, but try to exercise some critical thinking.

Consider the US got lucky this time. Russian is not a soft spoken bear. LOL

Yes, we did got lucky. The Russian pilot was a better airman than the Chinese pilot -- Hainan Incident.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Leaked photo : Russian jet Su-27 cuts within 100 feet only of U.S. Air Force RC-135


RUSSIAN JETS INTERCEPTED AND LOCKED-MISSILES ON US SPY PLANES
STOCKHOLM,August 4(RT)-US officials have confirmed Swedish media reports of a mid-July incident in which an American spy plane invaded Sweden’s airspace as it was evading a Russian fighter jet. The maverick plane was spying on Russia when it was intercepted.
The incident, which happened on July 18, went public last Wednesday after a classified document from Sweden’s Defense Ministry was leaked to the press.
The plane, a Boeing RC-135 Rivet Joint, entered Sweden’s airspace after permission to do so was denied by traffic control, Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper said. It passed from the east over the island of Gotland and flew more than 200km over 90 minutes before leaving.
The aerial incursion was caused by a Russian fighter jet, which scrambled from a base in the exclave Kaliningrad Region and approached the American reconnaissance plane.
Neither party involved in the incident confirmed or denied it, but a source in the US military told CNN on weekend that it indeed happen.
The source said the plane was conducting an electronic eavesdropping mission on the Russian military when the latter locked on to the aircraft with a radar station and sent at least one jet to intercept it. The quickest path of escape was through Swedish airspace, which was what the spy plane pilot did despite the Swedes’ objection.

Lots of false information in the midst of the truth.

The RC-135 was doing surveillance over international waters, when they detected Russia sending up
fighters in their direction, and they decided to make a run for it.

Nowhere has it been announced that the Russian Aircraft sent up was even close, nor which type it was. .

Anyway: 200 km in 90 minutes... That is 133 km/hour. Whats the stall speed of an RC-135?
Anyone believe that an RC-135 would try to escape at stall speed?

The RC-135 went into Swedish Air Space, and was informed of the violation, turned south and left.
There are frequent violations, like 50+ in the last year. Most of them minor, and they leave when contacted,
or after beeing escorted out by Gripen fighters.

Normally the violations are not published and sorted out using diplomacy.
In this case, the US choose to go out with a press release announcing
that they made a mistake, and it wont be repeated. It was not "leaked".

Apparently, the US have some approved permissions for other types of state aircraft,
which does not apply for this type.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

There are many reports stating RC was in international Air space.
But can you explain what the hell it run ??? And run in so much hurry that it had to violate another nation's airspace !!!
Just curious ...

Just understand this: the RC-135 was in International air-space doing whatever it was doing, when the Russian aircraft was launched to "disturb" its operations; which it did by "buzzing" the American aircraft at very close quarters. The USAF aircraft as part of its evasive manuevers had to fly very close to Swedish air-space to avoid. That is where the likely infringement took place. Just take a look at the map of Scandinavia to see how many countries' air-spaces closely adjoin/abut each other, and why a large aircraft like the RC-135 will find it hard to manuever easily around all of them.
In any case; SIGINT aircraft do not need to enter some-body's airspace to "snoop". How do you think that the ARC aircraft do similar tasks?

 

[IceCold]

Because the RC crew recognized the radar targeting signature from the MIG. I have explained many times the differences between signals on this forum. Were you asleep in class ?

You do understand that this is an EM SIGINT aircraft, no ? You do understand that the RC would have the analytical capabilities to dissect any intercepted signals, no ? Crossing into Swedish airspace was the safest route possible.

What the hell happened to critical thinking ?


When a TV station transmit, its signals do not stop at the borders. I can have a receiver outside the borders and watch any show I want. Same thing for EM SIGINT. We did to the Chinese and we flew outside of Chinese airspace and picked up any signals available. That is why the initials SIGINT stands for: Signals Intelligence.

For any country that is the target of a SIGINT flight, it can do either nothing or send a message. That message is often a physical presence to let the spy know that he is being watched while he watches. So just because the Russian sent an interceptor, that does not mean the US violated Russian airspace. I know you are desperate to attribute the worst motive to US, but try to exercise some critical thinking.

Why would i be desperate to attribute the worst motive to the US? Neither am i Russian nor do i have a stake in Russia.

As for the other details, since i am not a technical person and never claimed to be one, so can't challenge you there. Besides i have very high regard for you when it comes to the technical aspect, so please don't ruin it by taking cheap shots.

US does violate your airspace at will - we don't seek your permission when we have to land, capture or kill terrorist you harbor. And we've been droning that country for close to 10 years

and aircraft probably banked into Swedish airspace because the Russians are unstable lately.

You can save the cowboy attitude for latter, for now worry more about the RC plane who just happened to save its *** from the Russians but violating Swedish airspace. It might not be that lucky in the future.

 

[gambit]

Why would i be desperate to attribute the worst motive to the US? Neither am i Russian nor do i have a stake in Russia.

You do not need to have any stake in Russia to have a negative attitude about US. The fact that you assumed that we violated Russian airspace is evident of that negative attitude.

You can save the cowboy attitude for latter, for now worry more about the RC plane who just happened to save its *** from the Russians but violating Swedish airspace. It might not be that lucky in the future.

If our F-15s and F-22s turned on their targeting radars at nosy Russian Bear bombers, those bombers would probably dive to escape, after all we are crazy Americans. When we intercept those Russian recon flights, it is ground radars that steered our interceptors. The Russians knows it, hence their steady course.

 

[IceCold]

You do not need to have any stake in Russia to have a negative attitude about US. The fact that you assumed that we violated Russian airspace is evident of that negative attitude.

Or maybe because i was technically less informed which i have already admitted but than again you had to assume that it is only because of the negative attitude towards the US, i said so and not otherwise.

If our F-15s and F-22s turned on their targeting radars at nosy Russian Bear bombers, those bombers would probably dive to escape, after all we are crazy Americans. When we intercept those Russian recon flights, it is ground radars that steered our interceptors. The Russians knows it, hence their steady course.

So? This is happening since the cold war days and it has now resumed again after Ukraine crisis. I specifically replied to your fellow countryman due to his hawkish attitude towards Pakistan for no reason.

If your F-15 and 22 will take down those russian bombers, Russia will have plenty of its own options to take down yours as well which is why both of you never actually went beyond than making empty threats to each other. Both countries are well aware of each other's capabilities and the fact that they can take out each other many times over. There is nothing to boast about here.

 

[SQ8]

Yes, we did got lucky. The Russian pilot was a better airman than the Chinese pilot -- Hainan Incident.

Or perhaps the Chinese Pilot was ordered to Ram the aircraft to force it into Chinese Hands, whats a old clunky J-8 worth when the prize is the EP-3(regardless of the purge protocol).

 

[MadeintheUSA]

Or maybe because i was technically less informed which i have already admitted but than again you had to assume that it is only because of the negative attitude towards the US, i said so and not otherwise.



So? This is happening since the cold war days and it has now resumed again after Ukraine crisis. I specifically replied to your fellow countryman due to his hawkish attitude towards Pakistan for no reason.

If your F-15 and 22 will take down those russian bombers, Russia will have plenty of its own options to take down yours as well which is why both of you never actually went beyond than making empty threats to each other. Both countries are well aware of each other's capabilities and the fact that they can take out each other many times over. There is nothing to boast about here.

Other than we won the cold war and are the sole superpower.

 

[MadeintheUSA]

You can save the cowboy attitude for latter, for now worry more about the RC plane who just happened to save its *** from the Russians but violating Swedish airspace. It might not be that lucky in the future.

You can't be a cowboy if you have no cattle and we have plenty. Don't worry about us, we can handle the Russians like we did in the cold war and won. Rather worry about your burning cesspool of a state.

 

[IceCold]

Other than we won the cold war and are the sole superpower.

You won the cold war BS. It was Pakistan who won the war for you in Afghanistan. As for your sole superpower status which by the way is declining fast, enjoy while you can.

You can't be a cowboy if you have no cattle and we have plenty. Don't worry about us, we can handle the Russians like we did in the cold war and won. Rather worry about your burning cesspool of a state.

We are not worried about you and neither should you be worried about us. you couldnt do jack shit to the russians if it wasnt for Pakistan. Your sole status of being a superpower was exposed when Crimea was taken from right under your nose while all your agreements and treaties with the Ukraine felt flat.

Now go and fart some place else. Stop wasting the forum bandwidth.

 

[MadeintheUSA]

You won the cold war BS. It was Pakistan who won the war for you in Afghanistan. As for your sole superpower status which by the way is declining fast, enjoy while you can.



We are not worried about you and neither should you be worried about us. you couldnt do jack shit to the russians if it wasnt for Pakistan. Your sole status of being a superpower was exposed when Crimea was taken from right under your nose while all your agreements and treaties with the Ukraine felt flat.

Now go and fart some place else. Stop wasting the forum bandwidth.

You are correct in that I should stop debating the ignorant. You have no clue what the cold war was, which was not just Afghanistan, nor do you know that we paid you to fight the Russians. You were bought with US dollars!

And Crimea is not under NATO or a NATO ally for us to " do something". While on the other hand, we have manged to make most ex USSR countries all lean and favor us. Have nice day.