Russian Air Force to receive first Su-35 by year end

[Kinetic]

su-35 made to counter f35 or f22???

According to many it has good chance against F-35 but F-22 has upper-hand. Russians say they have incorporated many new technologies in Su-35, may be stealth. Its a 4.5 generations fighter.

 

[ViXuyen]

According to many it has good chance against F-35 but F-22 has upper-hand. Russians say they have incorporated many new technologies in Su-35, may be stealth. Its a 4.5 generations fighter.

I do not think the SU-35 has a chance against a head-on encounter with the F-35 because by the advertiser's statement, the IRBIS-E can only detect target of RCS 0.01 m2 at 90 km. With that detection range, Su-35 will detect F-35 (RCS of about 0.001 m2) at around 50-60 km which is too late already.

I believe the detection range of the IRBIS-E will make it on par or even better with the rest of the Europe & U.S 4th generation fighters but not good enough for F-35, F-22; hence a development of PAK-FA is necesarily.

 

[siegecrossbow]

No air force could completely replace its fleet with 5th gen fighters within the next two decades. High end 4th gen fighters like the Su-35 are a good replacement for the aging flankers and fulcrums of the Russian Air Force.

 

[PERSIAN]

Still mad over the S-300 deal, don't answer I have read enough of your post to know the answer.


The clarify things, we can order many T-50's, approximately 250 of them which is 'many'. Moreover, the SU-35 is not cheap and it meant to be an upgrade/replacement until the pak-fa is introduced, and even when the pak-fa comes into service the SU-35 as well as other legacy fighters will still make up a large bulk of the air force, similar with how US legacy fighters will make up a large portion of the US air force.

Please continue with your Russia sucks mentality, it's quite amuzing

i am mad? i never cared about that s-300 deal because its not making any difference..
and ohh right so i am ONLY sayin usa is more advanced than russia because i am MAD at russia?
and i dont know what your problem is because i said whats the truth i am not sayin the su-35 is not good because its very good plane and ita had a nice price tag but i said i believe americans have better technology i am wrong? and to make something clear i dont have anything against russian people what will u do if someone back stabbed you like russia did to iran?

 

[ptldM3]

i am mad? i never cared about that s-300 deal because its not making any difference..

For not caring you sure did whine allot about it, and the S-300 is a big deal, otherwise there would not have been such an international outcry about the whole situation.

and ohh right so i am ONLY sayin usa is more advanced than russia because i am MAD at russia?

Not this again, I love this vague language of 'more advanced', Russia and the Soviet union has been innovators. There has been many instances where it took the US and NATO a decade or more to make a comparable system to what Russia has been operating, a few examples HMC, supercalvitating torpedoes, LOX preburner technology which btw the US purchased from Russia ect...ect. There has even been NATO and US specialists that have acknowledged that upon examination of Soviet technology that the Soviets had some systems that were more advanced, the irony is that those same systems were labeled 'inferior'. Do not misinterpret me, I’m not saying Russia is more advanced than the US in terms of weapons systems but I’m also not going to ride the US bandwagon and throw around vague words like 'more advanced' and claim the US is superior in every field because that is simply not true.

what will u do if someone back stabbed you like Russia did to Iran?

I believe Iran got its money back. Moreover, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was being a bad boy. I do not know if you follow Ahmadinejad but he is a certified psychopath, he has shut down blogging sites as well as imprisoned and killed anyone with an opinion; he also has full control of the newspapers, I do hope you know the Iranian government reads and edits all newspapers. Moreover, his defiance and speeches are outright outrageous. Until someone stable takes office Iran gets nothing.

 

[amalakas]

I do not think the SU-35 has a chance against a head-on encounter with the F-35 because by the advertiser's statement, the IRBIS-E can only detect target of RCS 0.01 m2 at 90 km. With that detection range, Su-35 will detect F-35 (RCS of about 0.001 m2) at around 50-60 km which is too late already.

I believe the detection range of the IRBIS-E will make it on par or even better with the rest of the Europe & U.S 4th generation fighters but not good enough for F-35, F-22; hence a development of PAK-FA is necesarily.

Actually, a lot of thought has lately gone into looking a possible answer to the threat of the F35 in a regional antagonistic environment.
More than that, the F35 was considered to be armed with Meteor missiles instead of Amraams, which are superior in range at least.

Right now the Su35 was the only plane that would come out on top in most scenarios.

These consider the relative size of fleet / price paid per unit, i.e. for the same money you get a lot more Su35s

Kinematicaly the Su35 is superior with superior range, and loiter time,

It is true there is some doubt as to whether the Su35 will be able to pick the F35 at a reasonable range, there are indications that it may as there are indications that it may not,

The Su35 however has the ability to outfly Amraams and Meteors, whilst at the same time identifying the launch vector of the incoming missile and training it's IRST sensor to it for targeting,
it then carries more missiles and has more diverse payload to engage the F35 with a combination of IR and EM BVR missiles.

The explanations given by the russians on the plane provided a sense of real understanding of the dangers and abilities of a Stealth adversary and how one could go about dealing with it.

Remember it is not necessary to eliminate the threat of a stealth plane, it is enough to simply make it costly for it to operate over the area.

 

[PERSIAN]

okay i do apologize for the s-300 but it will be better if russia did sell it to iran.

 

[Chogy]

USSR/Russia has produced aerodynamically equivalent or superior aircraft for decades, IMO, when compared to U.S. variants. A properly flown MiG-21 can defeat the F-4 in Vietnam days. The only gap in this process is the MiG-23/27, both of which have aerodynamic problems.

The MiG-29 and Su-27 (and future fighters; again from an aerodynamic standpoint) are outstanding.

Where the U.S. led are radar, sensors, and importantly, something people don't consider often, flight controls and overall human factors. The USSR generally had the pilot directly actuate flight controls. The US, starting with the F-86, applied a layer of advanced mechanical stick force sensors, and later computers that generally made handling better. In other words, applying equivalent technology to the MiG-29 would make it a much better jet. The U.S. led in human interface as well, especially the advent of HOTAS (Hands on stick and throttle) in the 1970's. HOTAS (and overall human interface) was HUGE in making the F-15 and later a success.

 

[500]

A NICE AIRCRAFT INDEED. HOW MANY OF THESE RUSSIA IS GOING TO INDUCT?

48 are ordered.

 

[amalakas]

USSR/Russia has produced aerodynamically equivalent or superior aircraft for decades, IMO, when compared to U.S. variants. A properly flown MiG-21 can defeat the F-4 in Vietnam days. The only gap in this process is the MiG-23/27, both of which have aerodynamic problems.

The MiG-29 and Su-27 (and future fighters; again from an aerodynamic standpoint) are outstanding.

Where the U.S. led are radar, sensors, and importantly, something people don't consider often, flight controls and overall human factors. The USSR generally had the pilot directly actuate flight controls. The US, starting with the F-86, applied a layer of advanced mechanical stick force sensors, and later computers that generally made handling better. In other words, applying equivalent technology to the MiG-29 would make it a much better jet. The U.S. led in human interface as well, especially the advent of HOTAS (Hands on stick and throttle) in the 1970's. HOTAS (and overall human interface) was HUGE in making the F-15 and later a success.

I agree, and I would also add the training factor.

USSR/Russian pilots are generally trained based on a HQcentric approach were pilots are not to show any initiative in battle, this was to the extend that missiles could be remotely fired from the air-control operators during fight.

Training goes a long long way when it comes to battle.

 

[The Clarifier]

This plane looks cool actually... anyone played HAWX on this thing?

 

[no_name]

So I take it that Su-35 will come out superior against silent eagle, if it is competitive against F-35?

 

[amalakas]

So I take it that Su-35 will come out superior against silent eagle, if it is competitive against F-35?

My strong belief is that the Su35 is currently the best 4.5 generation fighter anywhere on this planet.

The combination of kinematics, avionics and weapons make it a very very very capable plane.

I have a strong suspicion, that not even the F-35 can be a match.

It is unfounded as yet, but still the F35 is mostly a promise so far... and not a complete one at that...