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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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Shawnee said:
Shutting down the whole power grid of a country and zeroing morale is nothing to you?
US did that to Iraq too.

The propaganda page is significantly toward Russians due to these drones as well.

Give it more time to see its ground effect if Russia keeps buying and destroying infrastructures.

Thanks to Shahed, Russia does not need to use tactical nukes now.
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Shutting down the Powergrid "PERMENANTLY" may have work, otherwise it's more or less inconvenience than actual need. And do you even think the Military of Ukraine was hooked up on the same Powergrid? LOL, maybe in Iran they did, I have been to Ukraine in April, I can tell you that they don't. Actually, I have been to many Military installation, US, UK, Germany, even Iraq, they have a different grid than Civilian, and most military are all-day all-weather force anyway, which mean even if the entire Powergrid system was down, it does not hamper the force ability to conduct operation. Which mean shutting down the civilian grid for 3 days does not do anything for the military, all you did is to make the poor soul in Kyiv or Lviv can't download the latest Netflix episode from the internet.

And dude, Ukraine is at war, a war that they didn't ask for, do you think bombing them will zap their morale?? If so they would have already given up the fight already, you say it like Russia did not target civilian infrastructure before September. What make them fight is to protect their homeland, and what Russia is doing is to try and destroy it, in fact, what Russia is doing is fanning the hate in Ukraine, more Ukrainian join the fight, they just reported that they have recruited twice as many as new recruit than previous 6 months and they aren't short of manpower, all thanks to this. And It didn't work on the Londoner back in WW2, what make you think it work in Ukraine now?

Again, you want to win a war, that can only be done by killing your enemy fighting men, not killing civilian, if you don't understand that principal of war and think it would have made a different, then all I can say is you are extremely naive. You want to know how to zap Ukrainian morale? Look at what the Ukrainian done to the Russian. Battlefield loses zap both strength and morale of the enemy force, you don't demoralise your enemy by hitting their civilian, you do that by denying their attack and counter-attacking them, you destroy their tempo, then morale will follow, that's why Russian force morale is rock bottom now, how many Russian civilian has been killed by the Ukrainian? How many Russian City got plunged into darkness by Ukrainian missile strike??. That's warfighting 101.
 
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Hack-Hook said:
never fielded and used in war

never fielded and used in war
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Seems someone that is desperate to find a niche where Iran is the leader.
We will grant you that Iran was the first to mount a useless RPG on a drone.
Reminds me of a visit to Tokyo.
Are You guys aware that they have the worlds tallest Tokyo Tower?

Hack-Hook said:
those were RPG-7 with fragmentation warhead , we didn't need to hit anything , we fired those at barracks and areas there were chance of personnel gathering , and let the fragmentation do the work . the drone was a line of sight controlled drone , and usually several operator penetrated behind enemy lines and handed the control of the drone to each other and the last one approximated where the rocket will hit and fired it when he think it land near enemy and let the fragmentation warhead do the damage .
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That is just hearsay, and no proof.
 
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jhungary said:
Whatever you say, I said my piece, and your story is the one that keep changing.

I mean, if you believe in your story, that's you. I said, as an intelligence expert. That particular strike was likely to be intercepted. Because the explosion is above ground and there are no second det when the explosion occur, it's that simple.

And yes, it's pointless to keep arguing. Because you will try to find some way to justify your point, even if that argument goes completely opposite to what your previous argument claim. And I am not about to argue 90 different way on the same incident whether or not they are at the same side of the story, I don't just toss speculation out there and hope it hit something.
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my last post on the matter its how fast things fall from the sky . go see if what you call interception was like this
https://twitter.com/x/status/1586047344809676800

A.P. Richelieu said:
Seems someone that is desperate to find a niche where Iran is the leader.
We will grant you that Iran was the first to mount a useless RPG on a drone.
Reminds me of a visit to Tokyo.
Are You guys aware that they have the worlds tallest Tokyo Tower?


That is just hearsay, and no proof.
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thats how we operated armed Mohajer-1 . it was controlled by handheld radio in line of sight .
and now UCAV become niche ? let tell you about another Nieche , that is mechanized artillery we invented 1700s
 
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Hack-Hook said:
my last post on the matter its how fast things fall from the sky . go see if what you call interception was like this
https://twitter.com/x/status/1586047344809676800


thats how we operated armed Mohajer-1 . it was controlled by handheld radio in line of sight .
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Again, I am not interest in your theory anymore, I already said my piece, and it ain't for you, I don't care if you believe that drone hit the building. I am saying it's not, but hey, it's not like I am any kind of expert here, I just seen war and fought in some.
 
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jhungary said:
Shutting down the Powergrid "PERMENANTLY" may have work, otherwise it's more or less inconvenience than actual need. And do you even think the Military of Ukraine was hooked up on the same Powergrid? LOL, maybe in Iran they did, I have been to Ukraine in April, I can tell you that they don't. Actually, I have been to many Military installation, US, UK, Germany, even Iraq, they have a different grid than Civilian, and most military are all-day all-weather force anyway, which mean even if the entire Powergrid system was down, it does not hamper the force ability to conduct operation. Which mean shutting down the civilian grid for 3 days does not do anything for the military, all you did is to make the poor soul in Kyiv or Lviv can't download the latest Netflix episode from the internet.
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the industry that support that millitary is hooked to the same civilian grid and disruption in those industries in long term show itself on battlefield
 
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Hack-Hook said:
the industry that support that millitary is hooked to the same civilian grid and disruption in those industries in long term show itself on battlefield
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What industry? Oil, Ammunition, Food, Equipment, Weapon even winter clothing are all coming from the West. Unless you think Ukraine still uses mostly Soviet Weapon to fight this war or Ukraine are producing 155mm shell, HIMARS rocket, 5.56mm bullet, then there is nothing in Ukraine is supporting this war right now.

You damage the grid to Hamburg, Salisbury Plain or Atlanta, it would do more to inhibit Ukrainian war effort than Powerstation in Lviv....

Ukraine stop being self sufficient in this war since maybe month 2 (April) when they expanded most of their old Soviet Weapon munition. Most munition they have in those weapon is strangely captured from the Russian form when they leave behind in Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson.
 
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jhungary said:
What industry? Oil, Ammunition, Food, Equipment, Weapon even winter clothing are all coming from the West. Unless you think Ukraine still uses mostly Soviet Weapon to fight this war or Ukraine are producing 155mm shell, HIMARS rocket, 5.56mm bullet, then there is nothing in Ukraine is supporting this war right now.

You damage the grid to Hamburg, Salisbury Plain or Atlanta, it would do more to inhibit Ukrainian war effort than Powerstation in Lviv....
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do the repair coming from west , do all the ammunition come from west . you are talking about a country that was the workhorse behind USSR industry .
 
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Hack-Hook said:
do the repair coming from west , do all the ammunition come from west . you are talking about a country that was the workhorse behind USSR industry .
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Do you think Ukraine has the ability to service Caeser and HIMARS? LOL. They can't even fix the Javelin launcher and CLU and has to sent it back to Poland for the American and British to fix it. Otherwise why would you think HIMARS and Western weapon most concentrated in Kherson. There aren't that many HIMARS strike in the East compare with Kherson.

ALL the munition of western weapon come from the west (Otherwise who do you think make them? The Ukrainian somehow able to set up war production in Ukraine after the war??) and all the ex-Soviet weapon (like 2S3 or BM-21 or BM-27) strangely come from Captured Russian stock when they retreated from Kyiv, Kherson and Kharkiv. Ukraine has no weapon manufacture and maintenance capability like since day 4 when they were targeted by the Russian.
 
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jhungary said:
Do you think Ukraine has the ability to service Caeser and HIMARS? LOL. They can't even fix the Javelin launcher and CLU and has to sent it back to Poland for the American and British to fix it. Otherwise why would you think HIMARS and Western weapon most concentrated in Kherson. There aren't that many HIMARS strike in the East compare with Kherson.

ALL the munition of western weapon come from the west (Otherwise who do you think make them? The Ukrainian somehow able to set up war production in Ukraine after the war??) and all the ex-Soviet weapon (like 2S3 or BM-21 or BM-27) strangely come from Captured Russian stock when they retreated from Kyiv, Kherson and Kharkiv. Ukraine has no weapon manufacture and maintenance capability like since day 4 when they were targeted by the Russian.
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and last time strangely russia claimed target facility that produced fuel for Ukrainian weapons
 
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Hack-Hook said:
and last time strangely russia claimed target facility that produced fuel for Ukrainian weapons
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What Ukrainian Weapon??

Name me one Ukrainian made weapon being used in this war?? Beside small arms.

And lol, do you not think if the west can supply Ukraine with that much weaponry, they can't supply them with fuel to operate those equipment with?? Oh, I am just sending you those tanks, IFV and Self Propelled Artillery, you need to get your own fuel......

I am not sure it will work if you put Ukrainian fuel in the truck tank of the HIMARS.
 
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