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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

thetutle said:
Yep, I can understand it too. Leeching trillions of the taxpayer.

Had they committed the troops. But they didnt. Why? well because they couldn't. It like saying, well russia could raise and army of 15 million and take Ukraine. yeah ok. let them try.

Can America send 2 million troops to occupy Afghanistan? not with contractors charging $1,500 per hammer. yeah. its just like Russias war, it looks possible on paper, but reality is somewhat different.

Think of the cost of doing what you are suggesting. The truth is, US lost in Afghanistan just like the British lost and USSR lost. US should consider itself lucky to have gotten out.

What US did in Germany and Japan simply cant be done in afganistan. For one, Germany and Japan consider western way of life to be superior and always strived for it. Afghanis think very little of the west and have no desire to have gay pride events anytime soon.

So you have no chance in Afghanistan. Also, Pakistan will make sure west never succeeds there.

As for Iraq, well the only people that won there are the Iranians. the Shiites got freed and Iraq is great friend with Iran. Saddam lost of course, but Saddam is not Iraq, he's just an illegitimate dictator.

If you think US won in Iraq and got itself a friend, you are seriously deluded.
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Yes the US won in Iraq period
Second you forget the US was fighting 2 wars, again had they committed the troops and they could have if it wasn’t for a second war the outcome would have been different (actually i personality believe they could have sustained both had the government not been concerned about public perception)
I was simply contradicting the US can’t win wars because that’s just a stupid statement
Now back to Ukraine, simple fact russia can barley sustain a 6 month war on their doorstep while the US fought 2 simultaneously
Who can’t win wars?
 
RoadAmerica said:
Yes the US won in Iraq period
Second you forget the US was fighting 2 wars, again had they committed the troops and they could have if it wasn’t for a second war the outcome would have been different (actually i personality believe they could have sustained both had the government not been concerned about public perception)
I was simply contradicting the US can’t win wars because that’s just a stupid statement
Now back to Ukraine, simple fact russia can barley sustain a 6 month war on their doorstep while the US fought 2 simultaneously
Who can’t win wars?
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War needs domestic public support. The US absolutely crushed Germany, Italy, Japan despite suffering millions of casualties in just 3 years. But the US weren't able to subdue Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia despite much weaker enemies. Because of lack of domestic public support.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571584927489040390

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571584929808498689

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571594631074168840

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571594633062277123
 
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Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen said:
War needs domestic public support. The US absolutely crushed Germany, Italy, Japan despite suffering millions of casualties in just 3 years. But the US weren't able to subdue Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia despite much weaker enemies. Because of lack of domestic public support.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571584927489040390

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571584929808498689

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571584929808498689

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571584929808498689
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Once again there’s no debate the US utterly slammed iraq
They lost in Vietnam because of politics and limiting strike tarkets
Afghanistan well we’ve already discussed that
 
RoadAmerica said:
Once again there’s no debate the US utterly slammed iraq
They lost in Vietnam because of politics and limiting strike tarkets
Afghanistan well we’ve already discussed that
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Like I said. War needs domestic public support. If the US had domestic public support like they did in WW1, WW2, they would have crushed Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam the way they crushed Germany, Italy, Japan.

In Afghanistan war Russians didn't have domestic public support. In Ukraine Russians have domestic public support.
 
Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen said:
Like I said. War needs domestic public support. If the US had domestic public support like they did in WW1, WW2, they would have crushed Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam the way they crushed Germany, Italy, Japan.

In Afghanistan war Russians didn't have domestic public support. In Ukraine Russians have domestic public support.
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As Putin is showing Russian domestic support doesn’t matter when you have a dictator so that argument holds no water
 
The SC said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1571548165681168388
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Two can play this game. The US cannot afford China ban GM and Ford and Apple and Boeing from the Chinese market. So the US will do nothing when China sells weapons to Russia.

RoadAmerica said:
As Putin is showing Russian domestic support doesn’t matter when you have a dictator so that argument holds no water
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Dictators also need public support. Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad were popular. Libya, Iraq, Syria population increased 4 fold since 1960s due to infrastructure development and socialism.
 

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