Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[ZeGerman]

Putin can claim Wagner is illegal group who has no tie with Russia . after all they attempted a coupe and they get exiled .
honestly from day one i had my doubt about sincerity of that move by Pirozhgin., i always taught it was a plan designed by Putin and him to move Wagner outside Russia for later use

about the russia give nuke to belarus i guess the reson is the same as why usa gave nuke to Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey

But Nato knows the deal. Using wagner in poland is a huge escalation that allows nato to do the same which russia/belarussia can ill afford.

It is also a good way to boost up war support against russia.


Most strategic is to keep threathening, freeze the front with mines /trenches…go heavy of social media influence…and wait till west popular support for ukraine drops/trump gets elected.

 

[Hack-Hook]

But Nato knows the deal. Using wagner in poland is a huge escalation that allows nato to do the same which russia/belarussia can ill afford.

didn't they did that with Russia something about that free Russian army or so that was harassing Russian border villages before the Ukraine summer offensive .
please don't tell me they were authentic

It is also a good way to boost up war support against russia.

the Wagner can target supply line into Ukraine, destroy bridges , sabotage transport trains , such tactics are not that far fetched the group can be reorganized into several very small nodes that attack in various places and vanish . usually small groups are enough for such tactics

 

[NotSure]

"Western tech saves the crew":

Spoiler: Bradley: View from the inside after a hit

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/15ljby3

Pay attention to the jammed door. Made in da USA ...

Lost both legs and had a lung damage after a "projectile hit". Probably an ATGM hit, Kornet or Konkurs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/15lpxyl

 

[ZeGerman]

didn't they did that with Russia something about that free Russian army or so that was harassing Russian border villages before the Ukraine summer offensive .
please don't tell me they were authentic

No that was ukraine using a handful of its russian speaking/foreign legion.
That would just be the start if Nato plays the same game as Putin.

the Wagner can target supply line into Ukraine, destroy bridges , sabotage transport trains , such tactics are not that far fetched the group can be reorganized into several very small nodes that attack in various places and vanish . usually small groups are enough for such tactics

I am afraid the polish border will be better guarded then that handfull of border guards russia had.

Dead wagners always cheer me up.

 

[LeGenD]

Poland has always been a target of both sides. Ironically Poland keeps an eye on Ukrainian territories while at same time Germany has its eyes on Poland.

NATO as a whole is a complete joke. They can't take on the lone Russia on the ground. We already know that neither side has complete air supremacy over each other, not even Russians tried to posses it in the first place. Keeping this in mind, NATO is fighting Russia on the ground and still fails to take Ukrainian territory back.

If USA intends to send F-16 to Ukraine as already promised, Russia with zero doubt will bomb the hell out of Poland and also all the routes that may be used to give Ukraine air superiority fighter jets.

NATO member states develop most advanced machines and weapon systems in the world.

Russia does not have the industrial capability and knowhow to develop machines and weapon systems that can meet NATO standards.

While Russia comes up with its own designs in weapon systems, it uses Western commerical-grade components to make them capable.

War in Ukraine: Hundreds of western electronic components found in Russian weapons

According to a report, most of the components found in Russian weapons in Ukraine were manufactured by 155 foreign companies. Two-thirds of these were American.

www.lemonde.fr

Corporate supply chains....

Russia is stronger than a number of NATO member states when compared separately due to sheer size of its armed forces and capacity to fight a war but NATO member states will cooperate with each other in times of need. Unity in strength.

USA is on another level in comparison to any country including Russia in all aspects of warfare. USA has plugged capability gaps of different NATO member states as well.

UK and Turkey - each is developing the industrial capability to fight a war, if necessary.

Ukraine is not NATO, not even close. Ukraine is but a test bed for NATO weapon systems. Ukraine is at the border of NATO, and it is giving very tough time to Russia in war. You can imagine the situation if an attempt is made to go deeper into Europe.

NATO cannot be challenged in its home turf through conventional means.

In times of the World War, Europe fell apart from within due to German rebellion. Otherwise, Finland alone was able to put up a fight against the mighty USSR all on its own. Poland fell because both Germany and USSR invaded it from different directions.

Soviet experience in Finland convinced Hitler that he could take his chances with USSR. But US and UK decided to support USSR in war against Germany. Hitler did not realize how American Lend Lease program will affect this war effort.

Some historians are idiots and do not analyze the World War in correct manner. These are Stalingrad poets.

Soviet sacrifices were tremendous and can be appreciated in their own right but a lot was happening outside Stalingrad that was far more impactful.

 

[RoadAmerica]

Trump rich tax cuts costing the state 1 TRILLION.

POLITICO analysis: At $2.3 trillion cost, Trump tax cuts leave big gap

POLITICO’s own calculations, working entirely from data in the 2018 and 2019 budgets, indicates that the added revenues generated by the tax cuts themselves would fall substantially short of matching $2.3 trillion.

www.politico.com

No suprise as we now have massive research results on how “trickle down economics” do not work

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/23/tax-cuts-rich-trickle-down/

republicans voters: derrrrr…..make america great again!

USA spending 800 billion yearly on defence. More then the rest of the world combined….(defence against what?)

Republican voters: look at those guns go boom! America nr 1!!!

USA spending 80 billion to defend a european democratic ally…and completely cut the russian “near peer” bear down to size. (And then maybe that 800 billion a year can be toned down??)

Republican voters: Noooo!
they are TAKING our TAX MONEY!!!


Unbelievable. Fucking troglodytes.

Please stick to Ukraine you have no idea what you’re talking about and yea when the republicans win in ‘24 the spigot will be shut off

 

[jhungary]

that is debatable . the atgm is fired in one or two second the f-16 is not always there , the Apachee can be interesting target for man pads and the lancet can be controlled from anywhere not necessarily from where it launched and the launch itself hardly can be noticed by anything

you are welcome try to locate the launch site like missile launch

actually a small group can easily smuggle those on foot , its not convenient way to use them but it can be done

Are you for real?

You are not talking about Poland being in peacetime and Wagner can push a few Lancet or ATGM inside Poland willy-nilly, once they did and target their infrastructure they would be on 24/7 stand-by alert. Being Poland and a NATO member, they would have the capability to monitor the entire country any time anywhere 24/7, this is exactly the same thing we did in Baghdad and K-stan. Once those missile are fired, whether or not you hit anything, Wagner ground team would need to exfil, unless you are saying they bring a few Mi-8 or Mi-24 along, they won't be able to exfil quicker than NATO put up, there are going to be first response with drone and fix wing flying over the area within minute, which those team would not be a few click off (or meter if they go by foot like you claim), they will literally target any vehicle and stop them within a reasonable reaction time, like how police are called into a scene.

We can track Iraqi throwing mortar into green zone, we can track Taliban shooting RPG into Bagram, do you think we can't track someone launching a drone attack??

On the other hand, where would those "Wagner" be hiding in Poland when they are not attacking? They can't hide within Poland and blend in as civilian, and with all those equipment, they are going to need to have a supply route to and from, back and forth between Poland and Belarus, otherwise whatever you do is only one off. Again, any NATO airborne surveillance asset would have been able to pick up any cross border activities when you try to do this, if they had not already done so. I mean, that is not Pakistan-Afghan border, Polish-Belarus border is very heavily monitored.

 

[MeFishToo]

The reason Wagner is stationed near Poland in Belarus is for Putin to get them as far away from Russia as possible. They cant make a move against him from there unnoticed.

 

[Muhammed45]

Russia advances in Kharkiv as Ukrainian forces lead counteroffensive in South and east of the country.

Moscow targets Kharkiv region in effort to regain ground from Ukrainians

Russia seeks to exploit situation as Kyiv’s counteroffensive concentrates on south and east of country

theguardian.com

 

[ZeGerman]

Please stick to Ukraine you have no idea what you’re talking about and yea when the republicans win in ‘24 the spigot will be shut off

fact:
Wasting trillions on the tax cut for the rich based on trickle down economics hoax.

Fact:
Wanting to spend even more on bloated military while US infrastructure is crumbling

Republicans Push for More Military Spending in Debt Deal as They Decry Deficit

Republican lawmakers who oppose the debt-ceiling bill argue it doesn’t do enough to cut spending or reduce the deficit. Yet when defense is concerned, many argue the government ought to be spending more, not less.

www.bloomberg.com

Fact: But god forbid if you need a penny to support an european democratic ally??
(And stop an emboldened russia).


not a good image. But please, stuff that american flag in your ears a bit more.

 

[JPMM]

Ukraine had not prepared for war with Russia. This was apparent when Russia took Crimea in 2014 with laughs like yours.

Ukraine began to equip its army after 2014. But Western support was slow to come.

Much of the Europe was importing gas from Russia and didn't care about Ukraine. Russia was able to invade Ukraine proper in 2021, therefore.

Poland is taking its security seriously in comparison. Poland has created a professional army and is getting high quality hardware from US. Polish troops are trained as per NATO standards.

Belarus and Wagner are welcome to take their chances with Poland. I will grab my popcorn.

Poland is a significant line of defense to stop advances from the East.

Polish are also nationalist types. These people will fight.

MANY NATO TROOPS will advance to Polish soil, take care of Poland defence and ALL POLISH ARMY/AIR FORCE will invade and occupy Bielorussia.
NO TURNING BACK

 

[messiach]

The war is between Ukraine and Russia, and Ukraine has its own army that is fighting Russian army in occupied lands. Russia is the larger and stronger side in this war and would have toppled Zelensky administration in Ukraine but NATO decided to train, equip, and provide valuable intel to Ukrainian forces during the war to give it a fighting chance against Russian forces.

Nobody claims that it is easy to defeat Russia in Ukraine but NATO has prevented Russian regime change attempt in Ukraine. This is different from NATO not doing anything when Russia invaded Georgia and annexed its lands in 2008.

US-led forces destroyed ISIL elements in Syria and is holding a chunk of Syrian territory in the process against wishes of Assad regime, this operation was in connection to the Operation Inherent Resolve in Iraq to destroy ISIL in the Middle East.

Mapping the kinetic aspect of the Operation Inherent Resolve to defeat ISIL (Updated)

BACKGROUND AND ORIGINS OF THE ISIL "At its peak, IS ruled over 88,000 sq km (34,000 sq miles) stretching across the Iraq-Syria border." - BBC* Syria and Iraq contemplated merger to create the United Arab Republic in the 1960s...

pdf.defence.pk

Russian intervention in Syria is aimed to prevent downfall of Assad regime and help it defeat Syrian rebels. There is a tacit understanding between Russia and US on this matter since 2013. Russian mission in Syria does not stand in the way of US-led Operation Inherent Resolve in the region.

Wagner-led forces and US-led forces clashed just once in Syria in Khasham in 2018, this battle did not end well for Wagner-led forces. Further tensions were diplomatically averted.

Okay, i dont think help from nato has resulted in halting Russia.

 

[aziqbal]

Ukraine has lost only 50 Bradley’s through 2 months of fighting and half of those have been repaired.

This is not a high loss rate. That’s only 300 losses over a year. At that rate of loss, the US could supply Ukraine Bradley’s for the next 4-5 years without it ever effecting US Army readiness.

I am sorry to hear that but I dont believe those numbers

but also Ukraine has not really got that much armour and and until very recently has not really been doing armoured warfare

if Ukraine was equipped like Poland with heavy armour you would see 1000s of destroyed vehicles because Russia would just have a field day with so many targets

Ukraine has been fighting a unconventional fighting retreat until few month ago

 

[messiach]

Wagner had its behind spanked when it tried to interfere with US operations in Syria.

The true story of the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria

Up to 300 Russian and Syrian fighters killed in the attack

www.independent.co.uk

i dont trust this kind of newspaper stuff. Apart from the hue & cry in newspapers, Nato led forces have not made any minor or major contribution at all. Thats from my military sources.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

The ruble has plunged to its lowest level against the dollar since war in Ukraine began as Putin's economy sputters​

• Russia's currency in recent days has plunged to its lowest level against the greenback since the war in Ukraine began.
• The ruble traded around 96 against the US dollar on Tuesday, a 30% decline from January.
• Russia's economy is struggling in the face of western sanctions and war in Ukraine, experts say.

The ruble has plunged to its lowest level against the dollar since war in Ukraine began as Putin's economy sputters

Russia's ruble traded at 96 against the US dollar on Tuesday, plummeting around 30% since the beginning of the year.

www.businessinsider.com

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