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It’s the opposite, Russia throws everything it has towards Bakhmut. Ukraine is on the defense. It has no choice. If your country is under attack you certainly want to defend every inch. The city has no strategic value.Ukraine is throwing everything at it's disposal to protect bakhmut , don't know why bakhmut is so precious to Ukraine
The only consideration that makes sense is Russia army wants to break out of the stalemate and advance further to larger Donbas area.The question you should ask is why Bakhmut is so important to the Russian.
For the Ukrainian, their goal is to hinder Russian offensive, either to slow their advance or to buy time for their own counter attack. Which mean for the Ukrainian, any fight is welcome because it take resource and focus off what they are doing. As long as Russia keep attacking Bakhmut, Ukraine will say "Why not"
For the Russian, Bakhmut is not important AT ALL since they loses Lyman and Izyum, because before you need Bakhmut to secure a flank to attack Sloviansk and Kramatorsk which is the only way you can take both city, but now with Izyum and Lyman under Ukrainian Control, that is no longer possible, on the other hand, Bakhmut would be sitting duck even if Russia took it if and when Ukrianian broke thru Svatove.
What Russia is doing now is basically wasting resource and stringing up their troop for some land you don't need to have or have no purpose at all, they already did it twice, focusing on Mariupol means they blunted their Northern Advance and give time the Ukrainian build up their defence to withstand the Russian Assault, which is why it lead to the current situation to begin with. The other time they so focus on Siverodonetsk and Lysychansk they lost both Kharkiv and Kherson because of that.
This is not a smart way to fight.
if china field those 100+ j20 you think what those s300 can do?I am very shocked. My country Vietnam air defense bases on S300 missile defense systems from Russia. If turn out they are useless against chinese air assaults we must ask for money back from Putin. Good, we don’t buy S400 yet.
good, longer war there mean less war here .Zelensky is saying that he will take back every inch of the land taken by Russia.
good, longer war there mean less war here .
I like these proxy wars
I know too little about chinese aircraft, can’t tell. I think it’s not easy to escape Vietnamese multilayer air defense. The US once attacked Hanoi with 2,200 aircraft in a single battle, so that’s not new to us in terms of air defense. We have a wide range of own developed radars that can detect any objects in theory.if china field those 100+ j20 you think what those s300 can do?
good, longer war there mean less war here .
I like these proxy wars
one of the major traffic hubUkraine is throwing everything at it's disposal to protect bakhmut , don't know why bakhmut is so precious to Ukraine
The Russians didn't have a well-thought-out plan in the first place. They didn't have plan B if plan A didn't work.The question you should ask is why Bakhmut is so important to the Russian.
For the Ukrainian, their goal is to hinder Russian offensive, either to slow their advance or to buy time for their own counter attack. Which mean for the Ukrainian, any fight is welcome because it take resource and focus off what they are doing. As long as Russia keep attacking Bakhmut, Ukraine will say "Why not"
For the Russian, Bakhmut is not important AT ALL since they loses Lyman and Izyum, because before you need Bakhmut to secure a flank to attack Sloviansk and Kramatorsk which is the only way you can take both city, but now with Izyum and Lyman under Ukrainian Control, that is no longer possible, on the other hand, Bakhmut would be sitting duck even if Russia took it if and when Ukrianian broke thru Svatove.
What Russia is doing now is basically wasting resource and stringing up their troop for some land you don't need to have or have no purpose at all, they already did it twice, focusing on Mariupol means they blunted their Northern Advance and give time the Ukrainian build up their defence to withstand the Russian Assault, which is why it lead to the current situation to begin with. The other time they so focus on Siverodonetsk and Lysychansk they lost both Kharkiv and Kherson because of that.
This is not a smart way to fight.
There seems to be a general inability for Both Russians and Ukrainians to have a normal countdown of "one two three". They always seem to substitute it for other words.Bakhmut: Inside Ukraine's Bloodiest Fight
You suggest Ukraine should abandon Bakhmut because Russians are devoting enormous resources to taking it? Where would you retreat to? Some position that cant be defended? Why would you do that? "Isn't it better to stay in a position that you are able to defend, like Bakhmut?Yeah on the whole ukraine has been making better strategic decisions then the russians but sometimes they also join in on a grind match. Similar as in sevastopol.
Maybe cultural? From soviet times?
lol, how old are you?A woman soldier can be so good like a man soldier.
Its just a defendable position. Why abandon it for a position that is not able to be defended? Where would you retreat to if you were the general?I don't see a point . All Russia is doing is throwing artillery at bakhmat grinding the opposition . Why is bakhmut so important to Ukraine ?
He broke the rules of PDF too many times. Since violations tend to be reported and removed, much evidence is gone, but I am pretty sure that You understand why by looking at this thread.What did he do ? Want to clear my footing here
Okay seriously where has all the money that Russia invested heavily into the military in the past decade gone if they're jets/planes/military hardware within Russian borders are being destroyed
Ukraine is throwing everything at it's disposal to protect bakhmut , don't know why bakhmut is so precious to Ukraine
Yeah on the whole ukraine has been making better strategic decisions then the russians but sometimes they also join in on a grind match. Similar as in sevastopol.
Maybe cultural? From soviet times?
Putin's chief poisoner 'fired from FSB for criticising Ukraine war'
Colonel-General Eduard Chernovoltsev, 52, was in overall charge of NII-2 FSB, a research institute which develops deadly poisons used against Kremlin foes such as Alexei Navalny.www.dailymail.co.uk
I am very shocked. My country Vietnam air defense bases on S300 missile defense systems from Russia. If turn out they are useless against chinese air assaults we must ask for money back from Putin. Good, we don’t buy S400 yet.
You suggest Ukraine should abandon Bakhmut because Russians are devoting enormous resources to taking it? Where would you retreat to? Some position that cant be defended? Why would you do that? "Isn't it better to stay in a position that you are able to defend, like Bakhmut?
Another Putin critic 'falls out a window' to his death: Sausage tycoon plummets from luxury hotel
Another Putin critic 'falls out a window' to his death
Sausage multi-millionaire Pavel Antov (pictured), from the main pro-Putin party United Russia, had been on a trip to celebrate his upcoming 66th birthday.www.dailymail.co.uk
>> If Putin spent half the time he spends on assisinating his critics as he did on the war - then things might even be going better for him!!!
location of incident?
Assassination is a specialty of the Wagner hooligans, because that’s a private army, Putin can say he has nothing to do. Or carried out by his special service FSB.
That’s official, as a German court officially said it. They killed an opponent in Berlin in broad daylight light.
Mord im Kleinen Tiergarten in Berlin: Lebenslang für Vadim Krasikov
Mehr als zwei Jahre nach den tödlichen Schüssen auf einen Georgier mitten in Berlin ist ein Russe zu lebenslanger Haft verurteilt worden. Die Berliner Richter sehen in der Tat einen Mord im Auftrag russischer Stellen.www.spiegel.de