Russia’s Stealth Fighter Could Outfly, Outshoot American Jets

[he-man]

I remember when T-50-I flew, Chinese Communist party memebers (on PDF), mocked by saying, LREX increase the RCS.. When there J20 was flew, they claim "Canards not increase RCS"

How are u so sure that J20 will kick PAK-FA a$$ in stealth feature? J20 is basically inspired/copied from MiG1.44 and F35 ..

Or you believe in Chinese claim "Because it is black , its more stealthy" or Some Pakistani claim "The DSI increase stealth capability" or some moron claim "The exposed engine blades add up more RCS"...

So according to u engine blades have no role in rcs??
are u nuts? are ppl foolish in designing s-ducts??

heck even amca had s-ducts in design phase

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

In stealth j-20 will kick pakfa's *** and for the matter even f-35's

any data to support that?

 

[he-man]

The underbelly in this case has little to do with the specular reflection of the engine blades, the inlet placement does.

You're going to have to hunt for the sensor package on the FGFA on your own. You'll find it in good time.

Lets settle your doubt with a question- what makes the MKI so lethal wrt PAF Falcons and the war-fighting environment? Find the right answer and you can extrapolate from there to quite an extent as to why the FGFA satisfies the IAF.

according to paralay.com and the display on maks 2011 it will have 5 radars atleast if u consider the cheek radars as seperate unit,,,,,,,,,if they are clubbed with main radar we get 3 radars

 

[acid rain]

Lets leave J20 out of the discussion because other than a few grainy pics and a few long shot grainy vids most other stuff posted about it is fanboi art and fanboi specs.

The authors draw layman conclusions on the stealth features and about long range and short range weapons.

I am still surprised over the claim that T50 is not all that stealthy.

 

[he-man]

any data to support that?

the shaping of j-20 is similar to f-22........i have posted pictures above,have a look

Lets leave J20 out of the discussion because other than a few grainy pics and a few long shot grainy vids most other stuff posted about it is fanboi art and fanboi specs.

The authors draw layman conclusions on the stealth features and about long range and short range weapons.

I am still surprised over the claim that T50 is not all that stealthy.

it is just less stealthy relatively,,,,can't u see for urself,,there are a lot of compromises made to make it more agile

What is so blantant in accepting that j-20 has a better shape??

Thats why we will go for better engine and electronics to offset that advantage,,,,whats so diff to understand?

 

[Dillinger]

according to paralay.com and the display on maks 2011 it will have 5 radars atleast if u consider the cheek radars as seperate unit,,,,,,,,,if they are clubbed with main radar we get 3 radars

I am not clubbing the cheek radars into any combined unit with the primary radar.

 

[he-man]

Lets leave J20 out of the discussion because other than a few grainy pics and a few long shot grainy vids most other stuff posted about it is fanboi art and fanboi specs.

The authors draw layman conclusions on the stealth features and about long range and short range weapons.

I am still surprised over the claim that T50 is not all that stealthy.

look at post no 29 and tell me that again

I am not clubbing the cheek radars into any combined unit with the primary radar.

then it will be 5................l band is must for vlo detection according to pakfa ppl

Lets leave J20 out of the discussion because other than a few grainy pics and a few long shot grainy vids most other stuff posted about it is fanboi art and fanboi specs.

The authors draw layman conclusions on the stealth features and about long range and short range weapons.

I am still surprised over the claim that T50 is not all that stealthy.

this is the proof man............look at that thing,,,how can we ignore what we see ourselves??

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

the shaping of j-20 is similar to f-22........i have posted pictures above,have a look



it is just less stealthy relatively,,,,can't u see for urself,,there are a lot of compromises made to make it more agile

So you base your judgment on looks only? Stealth is defined by much finer details than just the overall look. Even by look, J20 has only frontal stealth provided the canards movements are optimized to minimize radar reflections.

 

[he-man]

I am not clubbing the cheek radars into any combined unit with the primary radar.

this will be the pakfa radar system

N036 radar has five AFAR.

The active phased array X-band, multi-channel transceiver module transmitting X-band is placed at the front of the fuselage.

N036-01-1, 900 mm wide and 700 mm high, 1522 transceiver modules.

N036B - AFAR two side-view.

N036L - two AFAR socks wing, detection and gos.opoznavanie goals

The active phased array L- band, located in the leading edge slats.

N036UVS - purpose computer system.

 

[Dillinger]

look at post no 29 and tell me that again



then it will be 5................l band is must for vlo detection according to pakfa ppl



this is the proof man............look at that thing,,,how can we ignore what we see ourselves??

What do you see in that picture?

As I said, you'll find out in due time.

 

[he-man]

So you base your judgment on looks only? Stealth is defined by much finer details than just the overall look. Even by look, J20 has only frontal stealth provided the canards movements are optimized to minimize radar reflections.

at least we are wanting in that respect ...............and how do i know whether chinese or russians have better ram??

we can only make assumptions on shape

few more things

1)j-20 has s-ducts,pakfa dosen't
2)j-20 has internal EOTS........pakfa has suspended pod
3)J-20 dosen't mount its irst like a ball at the front...............pakfa does
4)the underbelly of j-20 is optimized,,,pakfa's is not
5)indeed canards are a negative point and i said it earlier too
I am hoping we get better engine and electronics due to this

 

[Beerbal]

here u go...........see for urself

pakfa vs yf-23

j-20 vs mig 1.44

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Now what??

We have discuss to death on PDF about Exposed engine blades... the conclusion was
a) Exposed blade don't compromise stealth of a plane.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/51451-pak-fa-new-pic-analysis-2.html
b) DSI don't add anything to stealth
c) canards add RCS
d) LREX add significantly low RCS...

 

[he-man]

What do you see in that picture?

As I said, you'll find out in due time.

blades??????

We have discuss to death on PDF about Exposed engine blades... the conclusion was
a) Exposed blade don't compromise stealth of a plane.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/51451-pak-fa-new-pic-analysis-2.html
b) DSI don't add anything to stealth
c) canards add RCS
d) LREX add significantly low RCS...

i loose man..........looks like pakfa is stealthier than both f-35 and j-20

nothing more to say

 

[Beerbal]

@he-man, I will suggest you to browse through some old threads in T-50 and go through posts of @gambit, @Somnath, @Blue and and other members,

 

[he-man]

What do you see in that picture?

As I said, you'll find out in due time.

canards?
its a discussion man,,,not a quiz

@he-man, I will suggest you to browse through some old threads in T-50 and go through posts of @gambit, @Somnath, @Blue and and other members,

pls stop behaving totally ignorant...............when russians are themselves claiming it to be lesser stealthy then who are we to opine??

Go to any russian site and it will say the thing i am telling u thats its less stealthy(agreed it compares it to f-22)
Still its not even a discussion when u want to negate the overwhelming evidence of its lesser stealth