Row in Oz as woman asked to remove veil at interview

[Developereo]

It was her choice to wear the Hijab and she has every right to do so but it is the employers right to refuse you a job. Seems like this woman is another attention seeker. If she can't understand the employer/employee relationship then she is not ready for a job in the real world yet.

It seems it is you who is ignorant of employer/employee rights.

An employer may not refuse you a job for illegitimate reasons. For example, an employer may not fire you if he offers you a ham sandwich and you refuse to eat it.

The veil is not illegal under Australian law, so an employer has no right to force an interviewee to remove her veil. That said, I agree with most people here that a face covering veil should be made illegal, while simultaneously removing the stigma against the hijab. As it is, the veil is being used as a weapon against all Muslim women, especially the ones wearing the hijab, all in the name of 'saving' these women from 'oppression'.

One final note is that the story's 'reporter' does not seem to know the difference between a hijab and a veil, and the story is unclear on that issue. Not surprising, since it is reported in the Herald Sun, which is owned by Ruper Murdoch's News Corp. This is the same News Corp. that owns Washington Post, Fox News, New York Post, Times Online (UK) and all the various ultra-right wing media outlets that always portray Muslims in the worst possible light, even deliberately misreporting at times.

 

[Jigs]

It seems it is you who is ignorant of employer/employee rights.

An employer may not refuse you a job for illegitimate reasons. For example, an employer may not fire you if he offers you a ham sandwich and you refuse to eat it.

The veil is not illegal under Australian law, so an employer has no right to force an interviewee to remove her veil. That said, I agree with most people here that a face covering veil should be made illegal, while simultaneously removing the stigma against the hijab.

One final note is that the story's 'reporter' does not seem to know the difference between a hijab and a veil, and the story is unclear on that issue. Not surprising, since it is reported in the Herald Sun, which is owned by Ruper Murdoch's News Corp. This is the same News Corp. that owns Washington Post, Fox News, New York Post, Times Online (UK) and all the various ultra-right wing media outlets that always portray Muslims in the worst possible light, even deliberately misreporting at times.

Which is why i said in the "real world" the employer doesn't have to state the real reason he fired you or why he even fired you. It is their right to hire or refuse you a job. Say 5 people go to that interview and she is the only one with a hijab and the person asks her to remove it. She says no and then the employer says ok thank you we will get back with you if you got the job. They never call them and that person decides rather then understand possibly what the reason was and move on they instead head off and pursue possible legal action. Unless the employer stated that was the reason to not hire her it is really hard to find them guilty of anything.

That was the point i was trying to make. Don't expect the employer to understand and except your personal beliefs,looks,preferences. In the real world that is not the case. Why do you think most people wear suits to their interviews.

 

[Developereo]

Which is why i said in the "real world" the employer doesn't have to state the real reason he fired you or why he even fired you.

Point taken.

In the real world, many Muslims don't even get to the interview stage compared to non-Muslims with identical resumes, as evidenced by BBC and other studies in France and UK.

The facts of the story are not clear. Maybe the interviewer was an anti-Muslim bigot who was forced by HR to interview the woman, or maybe the woman was unqualified and is making trouble because she didn't get the job.

 

[Jigs]

Point taken.

In the real world, many Muslims don't even get to the interview stage compared to non-Muslims with identical resumes, as evidenced by BBC and other studies in France and UK.

The facts of the story are not clear. Maybe the interviewer was an anti-Muslim bigot who was forced by HR to interview the woman, or maybe the woman was unqualified and is making trouble because she didn't get the job.

It's sad really and i don't agree with this kind of discrimination but it is something that you just have to deal with in the end and move on imo. There is also a race/color issue that still goes on here in the U.S. and the few that fight it get no/very limited success in doing much about it.

 

[sur]

Abu Dawood:27:4092:-
Narated By 'Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin : Asma, daughter of Abu Bakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah (pbuh) turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands.

 

[Kompromat]

Australians also talk about Banning the Sikh Turbin.

 

[Vassnti]

Exactly sur, seems from reading the stories out there that the people writing dont know a Hijab from a Niqab/Burka. The story seems to go from one to another, a heck of a lot more than 2% of australian muslim women wear the Hijab and if that was all she was wearing there would be no problem seeing her face and no "veil" to remove.

Would be nice to get some acurate reporting on this but i guess both sides will rant a bit and there will be no follow up or correction.

 

[Awesome]

The title says, she refused to remove the veil, but from the narration of the article it seems she was asked to remove the Hijab. If it was the veil, the hospital was right - if the Hijab, she was right.

The veil brings about security issues, identity issues and is also not the Islamic requirement.

 

[ejaz007]

There is a difference between hijab and complete covering of the body commonly called burqah. Hijab does not cover the entire body infact not even the face. Burqah on the other hand is traditonal and covers the entire body. No one see women's face when she is wearing a burqah. On the other hand normally hijab does not cover your face.

It was not necessary to ask the lady to remove hijab if she was wearing the one.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I think it was a Hijab in which case i think doctor was wrong however if it was a burqa then she definitely should have removed it.

Was it a Hijab, Niqab(Naqab) or a Burqa(Burkha) involved in this particular incident? The western press in their ignorance can easily mistake one for the other and generally use the term 'veil' which is so stupid as to be meaningless.
But all three are different from each other and consequent considerations of verification of identity, security etc. if any will be very different. Otherwise this ought to be a matter between the job-seeker and the potential employer and if there any laws governing dress in that country, they mayapply. IMO there is'nt much for us to say.

 

[desiman]

Australia is becoming more and more racist day by day. I have been to Melbourne and what the south Asians tell me is that because the universities and colleges there are dominated by South Asians, whites have developed this hate for them because South Asians are now managing to get all the good jobs. This trend will only get worse, this racist attitude does not go away easily.

 

[Hyde]

Australia is becoming more and more racist day by day. I have been to Melbourne and what the south Asians tell me is that because the universities and colleges there are dominated by South Asians, whites have developed this hate for them because South Asians are now managing to get all the good jobs. This trend will only get worse, this racist attitude does not go away easily.

so true, ask an opinion from any general public in the world and they will usually rank australia in the top 5 racist countries of the world. For example have a look at this poll

result #99406 - WHICH COUNTRY HAS THE MOST RACIST PEOPLE? - BestAndWorst.com

 

[SpArK]

so true, ask an opinion from any general public in the world and they will usually rank australia in the top 5 racist countries of the world. For example have a look at this poll

result #99406 - WHICH COUNTRY HAS THE MOST RACIST PEOPLE? - BestAndWorst.com

@ Zaki.. thats not a credible poll.


Anyway Australia is the worst place for Asians to be and they are arrogant and aggressive too.

 

[Hyde]

@ Zaki.. thats not a credible poll.


Anyway Australia is the worst place for Asians to be and they are arrogant and aggressive too.

i know........... just saying we Asians (espacially indians) has become a victim of racism in australia more often than others. Aussies are indeed racists

There is a long list of incidents i can remember

 

[asq]

Australia is becoming more and more racist day by day. I have been to Melbourne and what the south Asians tell me is that because the universities and colleges there are dominated by South Asians, whites have developed this hate for them because South Asians are now managing to get all the good jobs. This trend will only get worse, this racist attitude does not go away easily.

And therefore we should develop our own education system in such a way that they want to come to study in our univeristies and not the way it is now.