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Since when they are our people? Even Bengali is in West Bengal, Assam and Tripura and all over the world. Are they our people?

Just like to remind you we are talking about Rohingya not Bengali people.

You will find Hispanic population all across central and South America. Can you now send some Venezuelan people to Argentina or Mexico as they are saMe people?

Rohingya is not the name of ethnicity, but more of political one. Actually they were a political movement that started in 1950. Previously, they were called as Bengali. The term of Rohingya wasn't even widely used before 1990. Even today Myanmar Government identify them as Bengali.

It is okay if you deny it. No problem. If Bangladesh people think that Rohingya is not their brothers in blood, then it's okay. After all who are Rohingya? They just homeless people that no body care. Everyone just pretend to care about them. That's why they are forced to become extremists and do stupid things in Malaysia.
 
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So what should we do ?! just let them live where they enjoy and watch how they ruined BD. even now many thousands of these people go around the world with BD passport. Just a matter of time , they will beome bangladeshi.
LOLwa, you have any Idea how Bangladeshi passport issuing and renew system works? Yes we have high corruption but, checks are there to save ourselves. They can fudge for 1 term only. So dont worry about us, we arent mouth fodder like indians!

BTW, how they ruined BD as you claimed? Do elaborate...

@Black_cats keep things simple here. You can put water in a glass that is already full!

This time we will solve Rohingya issue permanently. We are yet to play religion card. So, chilax...
 
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You should be ashamed of promoting lie so blindly. Myanmar never offered citizenship. They just asked to be returned in the camp but no guarantee or promise what will happen after that. They did not return on safety ground which even UN has acknowledged.

:rofl: Who is spreading lies and messed up with everybody in here so blindly ?... believe it or not. even some of applications are accepted and some even received citizenship. that's why we said UN itself biased organization. so hold it once or lose it forever.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burm...partial-citizenship-rights-rakhine-state.html

YANGON — More than half of the 7,000-plus Muslim Rohingya who have applied for citizenship in Rakhine State over the past three years have now been accepted following a wave of approvals in just the last few months, according to the Ministry of Labor, Population and Immigration.

U Shein Win, deputy director general of the ministry’s National Registration and Citizenship Department, said most of them failed to qualify for full citizenship because they lacked the necessary family records going back seven decades.

In any case, the recent wave of citizenship cards has been raising both hopes and old grievances across the strife-torn region. It has drawn a mixed reaction among Rohingya in Maungdaw Township and the more than 700,000 who have fled to Bangladesh since late 2017 to escape a military crackdown in northern Rakhine.

Myanmar and Bangladesh agreed in early 2018 to repatriate the refugees, but the process has yet to begin in earnest. Only a few dozen have returned to Myanmar to date, mostly outside of official channels.

Recently, authorities in Rakhine have issued more than 100 green cards granting partial citizenship to Rohingya who stayed in Maungdaw as an incentive to entice more of the refugees back.


According to Maungdaw residents, more than 400 applicants are still awaiting decisions on what sort of citizenship they will receive — if any.


Myanmar’s Citizenship Law was enacted in 1982 under the Ne Win regime, creating three categories of citizenship with varying privileges: full, associate and naturalized. The accompanying cards are colored pink, blue and green, respectively. The laws stipulates that anyone whose ancestors arrived Myanmar before Jan. 4, 1948, the day Myanmar gained independence from Britain, is eligible for one of the three.

All applications are vetted in Naypyitaw by the Central Body, made up of top officials from several government ministries.

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People walk between stalls at a market in Maungdaw town in northern Arakan State on November 11, 2014. / Reuters
Thousands of cards issued

U Shein Win said the “program” was initiated in 2016, a few months after the national elections that swept the National League for Democracy to power.

He said the majority of the applicants were those with National Verification Cards (NVCs), which grant Rohingya residence in Myanmar while they apply for citizenship.

The NVCs were thought up by the previous administration, headed by the military-backed Union Solidarity and Development Party, to replace the so-called white cards. The white cards had allowed holders to vote in the 2010 general elections but were revoked after the communal riots that swept across the country two years later, disenfranchising many Rohingya in the process.

U Shein Win said the government had issued 14,000 NVCs in Rakhine, and at least half the holders have applied for citizenship. He said the government handed out citizenship cards to those applicants in two groups earlier this year and had only one group left to vet.


“Most of the applications have been approved; I just don’t know the specific number…. I think there is only one batch to be completed.” he said.


U Shein Win said most of them have received green and blue cards. A few pink cards went to those with the most complete family records. “Pink cards appear to be the fewest,” he said.

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Some Rohingya applicants say the Central Body recently approved 74 green cards.

Abdul Rashid (name changed for his safety), from Maungdaw, said his family was among the lucky few granted pink cards because they had records going back seven generations.

He said many applicants thought they would get full citizenship, but added that most could not produce the necessary family documents dating back to 1948 or beyond and received green or blue cards instead. He said some of those granted green cards were dissatisfied and have appealed the decision, while others have refused to even take them.

Amir Hamza (name changed) is still awaiting a decision on his application.

He said the cards — whether pink, blue or green — label them as ethnic Bengali rather than Rohingya, which they consider themselves, but have been accepted regardless by most as a ticket to a better life. Because even as naturalized citizens, he said, they can move freely, own property, access education, vote and get passports.

“Although we prefer Rohingya over Bengali, a green or pink card is a necessity, so we exchanged our [ethnic] status to have a practical life,” Amir Hamza said.

U Shein Win, the immigration official, confirmed that the new cards labeled the holders Bengali, reflecting the government’s position that they are the descendants of Bangladeshi laborers brought to Myanmar by the British before independence.

more......

https://frontiermyanmar.net/en/refugees-citizenship-demands-impossible-myanmar-govt

in short note ,

But Maungdaw District administrator U Soe Aung said on November 16 that refugees’ demands were not in line with the 1982 Citizenship Law.

“The things they are asking for, they are impossible,” he told Frontier at his office in Maungdaw town. “If they are asking for citizenship to be given to all of them, there’s no way it will be possible.”

Those who do return will instead be forced to enroll in the government’s National Verification Card scheme, through which their application for citizenship will be considered.

tell me now who is spreading lies here... ?
 
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Rohingya is not the name of ethnicity, but more of political one. Actually they were a political movement that started in 1950. Previously, they were called as Bengali. The term of Rohingya wasn't even widely used before 1990.

Since when hui Chinese name invented? Since when Hispanic name invented? Since when Pakistan or Indian name invented? Since when Bangladeshi as name invented? Since when Palestinian name invented? At point of time certain group of people try to identify in a unique way that’s how their ethnic name originates. Bengali may be their one of the parent groups but they are not similar to the Bangladeshi, West Bengali or Assamese. Mixing Bengali with local Burmese identity they have their own unique identity.

Rohingya a name even mentioned and recorded from 17th and 18th century by British and French. There are many other reference as well. Detail of origin of Rohingya you can find there.

Lastly just because someone is Bengali does not make them Bangladeshi even if we go by your definition. They had Myanmar citizenship. No argument is there after that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people

The modern term Rohingya emerged from colonial and pre-colonial terms Rooinga and Rwangya.[69]The Rohingya refer to themselves as Ruáingga /ɾuájŋɡa/. In Burmese they are known as rui hang gya(following the MLC Transcription System) (Burmese: ရိုဟင်ဂျာ /ɹòhɪ̀ɴd͡ʑà/) while in Bengali they are called Rohingga (Bengali: রোহিঙ্গা /ɹohiŋɡa/). The term "Rohingya" may come from Rakhanga or Roshanga, the words for the state of Arakan. The word Rohingya would then mean "inhabitant of Rohang", which was the early Muslim name for Arakan.[70][71][72] Andrew Tan argues it comes from the Arabic word Raham (God's blessing) and speculates that early Muslims in Arakan referred to themselves as "God's blessed people".[73]

The usage of the term Rohingya has been historically documented prior to the British Raj. In 1799, Francis Buchanan wrote an article called "A Comparative Vocabulary of Some of the Languages Spoken in the Burma Empire", which was found and republished by Michael Charney in the SOAS Bulletin of Burma Research in 2003.[74][75][76] Among the native groups of Arakan, he wrote are the: "Mohammedans, who have long settled in Arakan, and who call themselves Rooinga, or natives of Arakan."[74] The Classical Journal of 1811 identified "Rooinga" as one of the languages spoken in the "Burmah Empire". In 1815, Johann Severin Vaterlisted "Ruinga" as an ethnic group with a distinct language in a compendium of languages published in German.[77]

In 1936, when Burma was still under British rule, the "Rohingya Jam’iyyat al Ulama" was founded in Arakan.[78][79][note 1]


The government of Prime Minister U Nu, when Burma was a democracy from 1948–1962, used the term "Rohingya".[86] When the Mayu Frontier District was created covering Rohingya-majority areas, the term "Rohingya" was recognized by the Burmese government. The term was broadcast on Burmese radio and was used in the speeches of Burmese rulers.[49] A UNHCR report on refugees caused by Operation King Dragon referred to the victims as "Bengali Muslims (called Rohingyas)".[87]Nevertheless, the term Rohingya wasn't widely used until the 1990s.[86][87][88]

Today the use of the name "Rohingya" is polarized. The government of Myanmar refuses to use the name.[86] In the 2014 census, the Myanmar government forced the Rohingya to identify themselves as "Bengali".[89] Many Rohingya see the denial of their name similar to denying their basic rights,[90] and the U.N. Special Rapporteur on human rights in Myanmar has agreed.[45]. The United States embassy in Yangon continues to use the name "Rohingya".[89]
 
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@Indos Bro, Seems like some indo-malay people dont care about crime against muslims! Even peddle fake news for those genocidal maggots! Are they native or imported maal?

Since when hui Chinese name invented? Since when Hispanic name invented? Since when Pakistan or Indian name invented? Since when Bangladeshi as name invented? Since when Palestinian name invented? At point of time certain group of people try to identify in a unique way that’s how their ethnic name originates. Bengali may be their one of the parent groups but they are not similar to the Bangladeshi, West Bengali or Assamese. Mixing Bengali with local Burmese identity they have their own unique identity.

Rohingya a name even mentioned and recorded from 17th and 18th century by British and French. There are many other reference as well. Detail of origin of Rohingya you can find there.

Lastly just because someone is Bengali does not make them Bangladeshi even if we go by your definition. They had Myanmar citizenship. No argument is there after that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people

The modern term Rohingya emerged from colonial and pre-colonial terms Rooinga and Rwangya.[69]The Rohingya refer to themselves as Ruáingga /ɾuájŋɡa/. In Burmese they are known as rui hang gya(following the MLC Transcription System) (Burmese: ရိုဟင်ဂျာ /ɹòhɪ̀ɴd͡ʑà/) while in Bengali they are called Rohingga (Bengali: রোহিঙ্গা /ɹohiŋɡa/). The term "Rohingya" may come from Rakhanga or Roshanga, the words for the state of Arakan. The word Rohingya would then mean "inhabitant of Rohang", which was the early Muslim name for Arakan.[70][71][72] Andrew Tan argues it comes from the Arabic word Raham (God's blessing) and speculates that early Muslims in Arakan referred to themselves as "God's blessed people".[73]

The usage of the term Rohingya has been historically documented prior to the British Raj. In 1799, Francis Buchanan wrote an article called "A Comparative Vocabulary of Some of the Languages Spoken in the Burma Empire", which was found and republished by Michael Charney in the SOAS Bulletin of Burma Research in 2003.[74][75][76] Among the native groups of Arakan, he wrote are the: "Mohammedans, who have long settled in Arakan, and who call themselves Rooinga, or natives of Arakan."[74] The Classical Journal of 1811 identified "Rooinga" as one of the languages spoken in the "Burmah Empire". In 1815, Johann Severin Vaterlisted "Ruinga" as an ethnic group with a distinct language in a compendium of languages published in German.[77]

In 1936, when Burma was still under British rule, the "Rohingya Jam’iyyat al Ulama" was founded in Arakan.[78][79][note 1]


The government of Prime Minister U Nu, when Burma was a democracy from 1948–1962, used the term "Rohingya".[86] When the Mayu Frontier District was created covering Rohingya-majority areas, the term "Rohingya" was recognized by the Burmese government. The term was broadcast on Burmese radio and was used in the speeches of Burmese rulers.[49] A UNHCR report on refugees caused by Operation King Dragon referred to the victims as "Bengali Muslims (called Rohingyas)".[87]Nevertheless, the term Rohingya wasn't widely used until the 1990s.[86][87][88]

Today the use of the name "Rohingya" is polarized. The government of Myanmar refuses to use the name.[86] In the 2014 census, the Myanmar government forced the Rohingya to identify themselves as "Bengali".[89] Many Rohingya see the denial of their name similar to denying their basic rights,[90] and the U.N. Special Rapporteur on human rights in Myanmar has agreed.[45]. The United States embassy in Yangon continues to use the name "Rohingya".[89]
Please dont peddle untrustworthy news source. Only bring news from reputable sources...
 
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Since when hui Chinese name invented? Since when Hispanic name invented? Since when Pakistan or Indian name invented? Since when Bangladeshi as name invented? Since when Palestinian name invented? At point of time certain group of people try to identify in a unique way that’s how their ethnic name originates. Bengali may be their one of the parent groups but they are not similar to the Bangladeshi, West Bengali or Assamese. Mixing Bengali with local Burmese identity they have their own unique identity.

Rohingya a name even mentioned and recorded from 17th and 18th century by British and French. There are many other reference as well. Detail of origin of Rohingya you can find there.

Lastly just because someone is Bengali does not make them Bangladeshi even if we go by your definition. They had Myanmar citizenship. No argument is there after that.

"The had Myanmar Citizenship" : I don't think @Aung Zaya agree with you.
 
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no. most of them dont. bro a few got citizen through corrupted officers.

But I don't agree with how Myanmar did to Rohingya either. I just sad that Bangladesh people deny the brother of blood of theirs. That's why Rohingya people are desperate. And do stupid things in the name of Religious in Malaysia.
 
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"The had Myanmar Citizenship" : I don't think @Aung Zaya agree with you.
Rohingyas lost myanmar citizenship in 1982. In 1950s, there were even Rohingya minister in Burmese cabinet. Many Rohingya Member of Parliament served in those times. There was even Rohingya language program broadcasted from Burmese national Radio. Since Burma gone under military junta rule, Rohingyas lost their rights gradually one by one including citizenship and finally massacred and expelled in 2017. This is a textbook example of ethnic cleansing according to UN.
 
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no. most of them dont. bro a few got citizen through corrupted officers.

Hey bro, so how to resolve the Ethnicity conflict in your country? I'm not blaming everyone here. But you must realized that Rohingya life are so sad. So how can the situation should be resolve to help Rohingya to get their life back again. Any human being should have empathy to them.

Rohingyas lost myanmar citizenship in 1982. In 1950s, there were even Rohingya minister in Burmese cabinet. Many Rohingya Member of Parliament served in those times. There was even Rohingya language program broadcasted from Burmese national Radio. Since Burma gone under military junta rule, Rohingyas lost their rights gradually one by one including citizenship and finally massacred and expelled in 2017. This is a textbook example of ethnic cleansing according to UN.

Minority has sad fate in many place in this world. But Rohingya has the worst fate. Simply because they have to face their fate alone. I think Wa and Kachin are still luckier than them. Because Chinese Citizens see both Wa and Kachin as their brother in blood. Although Kachin relation with China is simply that they have Ethnic relation with Jung Po, a minority in PRC.

I believe that Rohingya are not alone. I believe that They have Bengali in their blood, although not as pure as the people in Bangladesh. That's why you must not deny that. Because if you do, then they're all alone in this world. Are you so cruel that you deny your own brother and let them face their fate alone? Bro, blood is thicker than religion. I doubt that any Islamic Countries in this world are ready to fight a war against Myanmar. Simply because they have to think about their people first. At the end, Rohingya will desperate and think that extremist Muslim Organization like ISIS as their only way out. And you, and Bangladesh is their final hope.
 
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Hey bro, so how to resolve the Ethnicity conflict in your country?

yeah.. we need to cease the fighting first. then talk on the table. these process is going on now. the major ethnic like karen and shan already signed NCA ( National Cease Fire Agreement ) and rest is negotiating on table. Army declared one-sided cease fire on 5 regions. So only AA in rakhine state only left fighting with Army. So situation is much better now as Army fought with 4 insurgent groups last years.

But you must realized that Rohingya life are so sad. So how can the situation should be resolve to help Rohingya to get their life back again. Any human being should have empathy to them.

yes. We fully understand the life of these people. that's why we start to negotiate with BD as soon as things are settled. At first , there are only 3 stakeholders in the incidents , Myanmar , BD and these Bangali rohingya. Their demands were also simple and reasonable. So Myanmar and bangladesh signed MOU on repatriation in 2017.

http://mizzima.com/news-regional/india-welcomes-myanmar-bangladesh-mou-refugee-repatriation

We also accepted that there are many good people in bangali rohingya community and some of them really deserved national ID cards as they submitted required documents ( mentioned in above article ) although many originated in Bangladesh. So we also prepare newly built houses for them.

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also building economic zones for development of all communities resided in rakhine state.

https://www.mmtimes.com/news/development-continue-rakhine-economic-zones.html

As we all know ,Myanmar is not rich country so this is all we can afford in short term. In this regards , We must thanks to Indonesia as u guys're supporting us aids and even provide the chance to cooperate for counter-terrorism.

unfortunately , BD suddenly try to raise this issue to global state making the situation worsen. Many big players are getting involved in this issue and bring their hidden agendas instead of resolving this issue. As the result , even if BD and Myanmar reached agreement , Big players is simulating these people via NGOs not to accept until big player own interest is fulfilled. even now , people who want to apply national IDs are targeted by the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army. ( https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burm...partial-citizenship-rights-rakhine-state.html )

That's what China and India is warning all the time and support to resolve this issue through bilateral dialogue. Now , it's happening and the situation is getting worse. hope we can resolve this issue peacefully.
 
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@Indos Bro, Seems like some indo-malay people dont care about crime against muslims! Even peddle fake news for those genocidal maggots! Are they native or imported maal?

Malaysian posters are Chinese Malaysian and Indonesian poster is Chinese Indonesian but I think Brainsucker view is not anti BD. He wants Rohingya refuges to be accepted in Bangladesh as citizen, I think that view is also acceptable.

The thing that make it complicated is that ASEAN needs to have a consensus first on any thing before making any action or decision. This make Indonesia can not push Myanmar too far to accept Rohingya as their citizen.
 
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Thats what I suspected. Chinese with indo-malay flag!

If today we dont save Rohingya muslims and punish those wannabe nazi like facists, tomorrow those monkeys will target other helpless muslims too. Indonesia and Malaysia should understand this.

Lets see if we can reach peaceful solution or the traditional one.

BTW, do you think Bangladesh should start playing religious card?

Thanks for your reply...



Rohingya do have BD to back them up.
It is just that BD does not want to risk decades of economic development for a bunch of savages that have nothing but guns.

One way or another Rohingya will go back to their homeland as full and equal citizens of whatever state it is part of - if it requires BD military action X years down the line then this will what will happen.:enjoy:
 
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Rohingya do have BD to back them up.
It is just that BD does not want to risk decades of economic development for a bunch of savages that have nothing but guns.

One way or another Rohingya will go back to their homeland as full and equal citizens of whatever state it is part of - if it requires BD military action X years down the line then this will what will happen.:enjoy:
I know Rohingyas will go back anyway. Even burma wants to take them back. But, without fulfilling UN requirements. LOLwa... :P

I dont like war it makes too much noise. How about the famous american way of sponsoring here and there ;)
 
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