Rising above differences!

[Levina]

The same question I could posit to India. At the risk of going over the same ground again you know India has vast amounts of malnutrion that would make Sub Sahara Africa blush.

Why not cut back on the massive weapons purchases that you have in the pipeline in order to keep up with the Chinese. You know their economy is superior to yours by a wide margin. Just cancelling few purchases would put nutrition in those starved bodies. If we are going to introspect it applies to both.

I think you know in Pakistan we have cross country welfare program that provides over Rs1,500 to every poor household - the BISP scheme which now covers 50% of the population in Pakistan. Why does India not spend less on defence and do the same?

Sire
You really need to change your spectacles....

Okay let me make it more clear...can pakistan afford it???
India can not...and we've been paying the price for it.

I had very clearly stated that buying arms and ammunition took its toll on Indian economy. But you treated me like a troll (thanks!!!), you've gone on to compare India and Africa and a gamut of economic comparisons followed.
You wasted your time.

 

[asad71]

1. In 1962 Ayub had publicly, and with US support, offered joint defense to India. Nehru had rejected this summarily.
2. In Agra both Musharraf and Bajpai had agreed on and initialed the draft agreement to be prepared for formal signing next morning. Both were hoping to get the Noble for Peace jointly.
3. There are hawks that have deep roots into extremist Hindu expansionists. They have always been extremely powerful enjoying the full support of the high cast Brahmins. They understand very well India is a concoction. Its unity is false. If there is a deal in J&K there will be peace between India and Pakistan, and also in entire SA. That will remove the fear factor and mass psychological pressure that keeps India artificially united.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sir Please check ypour facts first your rhetoric won't change anything/ first thing i will make it clear is that Indian economy is growing at a better rate than anyone in the world. Your 'bigger than ocean' friend is sinking if you are aware the present events.
And India Economy is not hurt by 40 billion dollar because it is just 2% of the economy but if you compare that with Pakistan than i am afraid that Pakistan is doing injustice to it's nation by spending more than 7% of it's GDP in defence production.There is no comparison in whatsoever world between India and Pakistan but there is between India and China there are somewhat ahead of us but we are catching them. they are also 1 billion+ population we too are 1 billion+ population. As for your misinformation I would like to tell you that India's social security project are among the best and stands at no1 if you look st the total spending on social security then you will come to know that they even exceeds your econonmy. Just to tell you sir we have food security bill which is in line of Food security standards of UN which i don't think your country has? which guarantees food security to the poor people. Just to tell you the spoending on Food security alone is above 20 billion dollars in 2015-16. So get your facts right and don't humiliate yourself and also don't quote me. Because i m not interested in answering you.
You should honour your post as TTA and do the research accordingly.

Glad to know there are fools on the other side of the border as well. Tsk Tsk Tsk .......

 

[Force-India]

1. In 1962 Ayub had publicly, and with US support, offered joint defense to India. Nehru had rejected this summarily.
2. In Agra both Musharraf and Bajpai had agreed on and initialed the draft agreement to be prepared for formal signing next morning. Both were hoping to get the Noble for Peace jointly.
3. There are hawks that have deep roots into extremist Hindu expansionists. They have always been extremely powerful enjoying the full support of the high cast Brahmins. They understand very well India is a concoction. Its unity is false. If there is a deal in J&K there will be peace between India and Pakistan, and also in entire SA. That will remove the fear factor and mass psychological pressure that keeps India artificially united.

Aha brilliant analysis. Very professional. Every Bangladeshi in Canada knows Indian unity is fake. Everything is on TV.

 

[Indika]

Status quo suits for ppl in power of both countries. They will strive to maintain it. Its not these idiots in high positions are going to kill each other and die. At the best they will instigate others and they themselves will live happily. If you look most of the ruling elite in pakistan is from feudal class who can afford to spend the time outside the country and save their skin. Pakistan military has large vested interest in keeping conflict alive, one of them is ego and other one financial aspect. If the conflict dumbs down what will the hundreds of brave warriors do ? plow the farms or run factories ?

Indian side is led by crony capitalists, self serving jingoists , feudal royal aristocrats who have captured power and perpetuate it through their progeny. If you look at bjp or congress they are one and the same. But they use different tricks to deceive ppl. If you observe that personal relations between leaders of party there wont be any animosity as such.

Unless there is deep rooted real democracy in both countries things wont change. Its the commoner who is affected, only when he comes to power things might change. Problem is that system is so devious once any commoner assumes power he ends up to become one of those elites. Just like you cannot fight a corrupt system so is this one.

The best thing is that india and pakistan should be boycotted internationally. If US,SA,Russia,China and others do not side against each other and end up giving no importance then ego will go down the drain. Nuclear posturing will have no meaning without any audience.

 

[Styx]

Aha brilliant analysis. Very professional. Every Bangladeshi in Canada knows Indian unity is fake. Everything is on TV.

east Pakistan army vet (I think), still not recovered from 1971

 

[genmirajborgza786]

1. In 1962 Ayub had publicly, and with US support, offered joint defense to India. Nehru had rejected this summarily.
2. In Agra both Musharraf and Bajpai had agreed on and initialed the draft agreement to be prepared for formal signing next morning. Both were hoping to get the Noble for Peace jointly.
3. There are hawks that have deep roots into extremist Hindu expansionists. They have always been extremely powerful enjoying the full support of the high cast Brahmins. They understand very well India is a concoction. Its unity is false. If there is a deal in J&K there will be peace between India and Pakistan, and also in entire SA. That will remove the fear factor and mass psychological pressure that keeps India artificially united.

Sir' i agree there are Hawks in India too, but then , there are Hawks & hatemongers in Pakistan too, in fact they are on Both sides , one simply can't just label only the Indians , after all its not fair sir', there are Hawks who are against peace in Pakistan too , & if there are Hindu expansionist in India as you have said , who were against peace in Agra , then sir one has to also remember there is the Pakistan Army who destroyed peace in Kargil just after the visit of premier Vajpayee to Lahore , what one says to those Generals of the Pakistan Army who ruined the peace initiatives in the cold heights of Kargil ? were they peace lovers ? No sir they were Not , so while criticizing the Hindu right in India for its negative role played in Agra , please also do remember , the negative & dark role which the Pakistan Army had played in Kargil , after PM Vajpayee's Lahore visit !
so as i have said , there are good guys & bad guys on both sides of the border , singling out India , is not fair , after all Pakistan is not that innocent either

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Thanks just trying to catch up with you.

You not only caught but overtook. Well done !

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Will leave it at this ha ha ha ...............

Ps. Loser walks away.

 

[jaatram]

Sir Please check ypour facts first your rhetoric won't change anything/ first thing i will make it clear is that Indian economy is growing at a better rate than anyone in the world. Your 'bigger than ocean' friend is sinking if you are aware the present events.
And India Economy is not hurt by 40 billion dollar because it is just 2% of the economy but if you compare that with Pakistan than i am afraid that Pakistan is doing injustice to it's nation by spending more than 7% of it's GDP in defence production.There is no comparison in whatsoever world between India and Pakistan but there is between India and China there are somewhat ahead of us but we are catching them. they are also 1 billion+ population we too are 1 billion+ population. As for your misinformation I would like to tell you that India's social security project are among the best and stands at no1 if you look st the total spending on social security then you will come to know that they even exceeds your econonmy. Just to tell you sir we have food security bill which is in line of Food security standards of UN which i don't think your country has? which guarantees food security to the poor people. Just to tell you the spoending on Food security alone is above 20 billion dollars in 2015-16. So get your facts right and don't humiliate yourself and also don't quote me. Because i m not interested in answering you.
You should honour your post as TTA and do the research accordingly.

Shhhhhh.... just bow you head and agree to agree with the TTAs here.

 

[jaatram]

No way i am a mass murderer

Don't explode on me though bruv.

 

[Gufi]

Kashmir remains a bone of contention (gosh I didnt disappoint @Gufi ) , but that issue can be solved if LoC is recognised as IB, and after which the amount splurged at buying new weapons and developing them can be diverted to nurture more important areas like education and public health.

I have replied on the other thread. And just to clear things up for you India buys weapons for China now, they have said quite often that Pakistan is not a threat to us alone any more. So why the lies here, and as far as Pakistan goes, we will not accept the LOC as the IB.

 

[Norwegian]

So why the lies here, and as far as Pakistan goes, we will not accept the LOC as the IB.

So what is the alternative? Perpetual war with India?

 

[Gufi]

So what is the alternative? Perpetual war with India?

Yes, as long as they do not have a referendum and declare Kashmiris as people who have the right to choose who they wish to be with, war it is. We have no issues with war above keeping our ability for a second strike capability alive. The rest, India has to keep arming themselves for China.

 

[Gufi]

Can i ask where is your second strike Capability? my friend

Are we at war yet, and that is what we are working on. Remember the sub that passed through your waters to Karachi, that is the first step.