Rising above differences!

[ito]

We must wholeheartedly accept that there are more than two nations living in this region. Kashmiris, like Bengalis can gain independence since its a known problem with various Muslim ethnicities to live together in a federation for a longer periods of time.

In reality Jammu and Ladhak is Hindu and Buddhist majority, while Valley is Muslim majority. Even in the Valley there are parties like NC and PDP that are pro India, then there is a section that is pro pak and there is section that is pro independence. Then there are sunnis and shias. Shias have quite a different take on the whole issue. Separatists groups are all sunni parties. J&K is quite complex in its demographics.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Hyderabad 1948 | India's hidden massacre.
True what a shame.

genocide of kashmiri pandits « kashmir blogs-Truth about Kashmir-" kashmir blog""

This must be a glorified event for you. Is not it ? You should say Happy Exodus Day to Pundits. Why there is no black days for it ?

We must wholeheartedly accept that there are more than two nations living in this region. Kashmiris, like Bengalis can gain independence since its a known problem with various Muslim ethnicities to live together in a federation for a longer periods of time.

No freedom for those who kicked out the local people in the name of freedom and religion.

 

[WAJsal]

The locals were responsible for that when they bring religion into this and Kicked out Kashmiri Pundits out of the valley in the name of freedom.

Are effing kidding me. Could you please start crying, you are stating the same point over and over again. There is a huge population of Kashmiri Muslims who have left India because of the situation and are now living in different countries for eg UK. Do they not deserve to be settled too. The very reason why these people left are quite well-known. Please look at things from different point of view.

What are your views to ' easily solve the J&K issue '

Please note the area in question is J&K and not Kashmir.

Mutual understanding cannot happen when one side allows & encourages non state players.

On one side there is a hue & cry on an unenforceable UN resolution of 1948 & on the other another UN resolution on Lakhvi is ignored !

Neither India or Pakistan will back away from their current stance. Best to give people a chance to grow. Best solution in forming an independent state. That way many problems will be solved. There should be a referendum in whole of J and K about this issue and if they agree.... Again asking too much ain't happening. If this was any other two mature states they would have long solved this issue.

We must wholeheartedly accept that there are more than two nations living in this region. Kashmiris, like Bengalis can gain independence since its a known problem with various Muslim ethnicities to live together in a federation for a longer periods of time.

I don't agree with the bold part. Again have a nice day.

genocide of kashmiri pandits « kashmir blogs-Truth about Kashmir-" kashmir blog""

This must be a glorified event for you. Is not it ? You should say Happy Exodus Day to Pundits. Why there is no black days for it ?

So that's how you justify what Indian army has done in Hyderabad. Note all accounts are documented and posted by Indian members. Pundits, i can share with you loads of videos, articles, pictures of what Indian Army has done in Kashmir. Please stop derailing this thread or i will ban you again.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Are effing kidding me. Could you please start crying, you are stating the same point over and over again. There is a huge population of Kashmiri Muslims who have left India because of the situation and are now living in different countries for eg UK. Do they not deserve to be settled too. The very reason why these people left are quite well-known. Please look at things from different point of view.

Neither India or Pakistan will back away from their current stance. Best to give people a chance to grow. Best solution in forming an independent state. That way many problems will be solved. There should be a referendum in whole of J and K about this issue and if they agree.... Again asking too much ain't happening. If this was any other two mature states they would have long solved this issue.

I don't agree with the bold part. Again have a nice day.

So that's how you justify what Indian army has done in Hyderabad. Note all accounts are documented and posted by Indian members. Pundits, i can share with you loads of videos, articles, pictures of what Indian Army has done in Kashmir. Please stop derailing this thread or i will ban you again.

Aha. Now think tank is tanking only statements ? and now threatening me ? you are repeating the same thing again and again .i.e blaming Indians. Those who have settled in UK are not from our Part but are Mirpuris. And they were not Kicked out by Kashmiri Pundits. The reason why they left are known to everyone. Till then they are resettled , there will be no solution.

By the wy silencing opposing voices is a common traits among you, just like you silenced voices of Kashmiri Pundits. Ban me if you dont digest the truth.

 

[WAJsal]

Aha. Now think tank is tanking only statements ? and now threatening me ? you are repeating the same thing again and again .i.e blaming Indians. Those who have settled in UK are not from our Part but are Mirpuris. And they were not Kicked out by Kashmiri Pundits. The reason why they left are known to everyone. Till then they are resettled , there will be no solution.

They left because of the situation there. Do they not deserve to be resettled too. Note: they are from IOK. Not Mirpur. There is a huge number of such people.

By the wy silencing opposing voices is a common traits among you, just like you silenced voices of Kashmiri Pundits. Ban me if you dont digest the truth.

You? are you blaming Muslims of something?

 

[ito]

Are effing kidding me. Could you please start crying, you are stating the same point over and over again. There is a huge population of Kashmiri Muslims who have left India because of the situation and are now living in different countries for eg UK. Do they not deserve to be settled too. The very reason why these people left are quite well-known. Please look at things from different point of view.

Neither India or Pakistan will back away from their current stance. Best to give people a chance to grow. Best solution in forming an independent state. That way many problems will be solved. There should be a referendum in whole of J and K about this issue and if they agree.... Again asking too much ain't happening. If this was any other two mature states they would have long solved this issue.

I don't agree with the bold part. Again have a nice day.

So that's how you justify what Indian army has done in Hyderabad. Note all accounts are documented and posted by Indian members. Pundits, i can share with you loads of videos, articles, pictures of what Indian Army has done in Kashmir. Please stop derailing this thread or i will ban you again.

Referendum is not the easy solution as you have suggested. It is the most complex of all solutions. And nobody including China, India and Pakistan or even US wants a defunct state at their door steps that will be disaster for the whole region.

 

[WAJsal]

Referendum is not the easy solution as you have suggested. It is the most complex of all solutions. And nobody including China, India and Pakistan or even US wants a defunct state at their door steps that will be disaster for the whole region.

Too late. Things are already at a very critical point.

 

[ito]

Too late. Things are already at a very critical point.

I don't think so...things have really brighten up in this region. There has been considerable decrease in terror activities in Pakistan. I haven't seen or at least know of better economic prospects in Pakistan as at present. India too is doing well. In the first two quarters it beat Chinese growth rate to emerge as the fastest growing major economy in the world.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

They left because of the situation there. Do they not deserve to be resettled too. Note: they are from IOK. Not Mirpur. There is a huge number of such people.

You? are you blaming Muslims of something?

They left, they were not kicked out. Kashmiri pundits were Kicked out. Go and search Genocide of Kashmiri pundits and see who were responsible for that. Its the normal People not the terrorists. Go and read the slogans, that were raised by normal people. Hindus in Hyderabad have never done this kind of ethnic cleansing.

The Kashmir Problem will only be solved when Kashmiri Pundits were resettled there which is not going to happen as the separatists oppose it. Otherwise, there will be no solution. The Indian government which decides the solution without resettling Kashmiri Pundits issue will be kicked out of India. Selective solution of Kashmir issue in the name of religion is not allowed anymore.

 

[third eye]

Neither India or Pakistan will back away from their current stance. Best to give people a chance to grow. Best solution in forming an independent state. That way many problems will be solved. There should be a referendum in whole of J and K about this issue and if they agree.... Again asking too much ain't happening. If this was any other two mature states they would have long solved this issue.

Independent state is not an option.

Conversion of LC into an IB is the only possible option.

The fact is that this issue has become an industry on both sides plus our animosity provides jobs worldwide. Why would anyone want it to settle ?

 

[Norwegian]

Too late. Things are already at a very critical point.

We cannot have any referendum now. How do you suggest we do that after 68 years of mudslinging?

 

[Spectre]

Too late. Things are already at a very critical point.

With all due respect can you outline how has the situation in Kashmir changed become critical with respect to let's say 1990s

I personally agree that there should be a referendum but I don't represent my Govt or the majority in India. Realistically speaking no chance of it.

Also can you link some independently verified statistics regarding no of Kashmiris who have left and settled overseas?

Thanks

 

[WAJsal]

I don't think so...things have really brighten up in this region. There has been considerable decrease in terror activities in Pakistan. I haven't seen or at least know of better economic prospects in Pakistan as at present. India too is doing well. In the first two quarters it beat Chinese growth rate to emerge as the fastest growing major economy in the world.

I meant in Kashmir, people are not really enjoying A class life there. Again we are both painting the same image.

Independent state is not an option.

Conversion of LC into an IB is the only possible option.

The fact is that this issue has become an industry on both sides plus our animosity provides jobs worldwide. Why would anyone want it to settle ?

Sir think about the locals and their lives. Best thing in my opinion is independent state, that too through referendum.

Hindus in Hyderabad have never done this kind of ethnic cleansing.

Who said they have. Instead Indian army has taken this honor.
Hyderabad 1948 | India's hidden massacre.
I urge you read it. As far as these people are concerned they were left with no choice but to leave. As far as Pundits are concerned, last time i checked India was restoring them. Will see your excuse once done.

Selective solution of Kashmir issue in the name of religion is not allowed anymore.

Your mentality is entertaining and quite stupid.

Also can you link some independently verified statistics regarding no of Kashmiris who have left and settled overseas?

Don't think anyone keep's a record. Anyone who has been in UK can verify this. Again it was a point made that: these people also deserve to be settled back into Kashmir, be there number's in couple of thousands.

We cannot have any referendum now. How do you suggest we do that after 68 years of mudslinging?

Sir ji Pakistan hai. If it was any other two state situation would be long solved.

With all due respect can you outline how has the situation in Kashmir changed become critical with respect to let's say 1990s

Critical, figure of speech. Urge to solve this problem sort of thing. High time, right? can't wait another 68 years.

I personally agree that there should be a referendum but I don't represent my Govt or the majority in India. Realistically speaking no chance of it.

Good to see. Then there are some people who ignore the very fact that there is a problem in Kashmir.

 

[ito]

I meant in Kashmir, people are not really enjoying A class life there. Again we are both painting the same image.

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Neither are 70% of Indians...I am sure things will improve.

 

[Spectre]

Don't think anyone keep's a record. Anyone who has been in UK can verify this. Again it was a point made that: these people also deserve to be settled back into Kashmir, be there number's in couple of thousands.

r.

Ok, I agree there is a problem, I would be a liar and worse a fool to say that all Kashmiris are happy and all is hunky dory.

But if the majority of Kashmir population was unhappy easiest thing for them to do would be to boycott the elections held recently. No one can arrest you or harm you for not voting. Instead what we saw was higher than Indian avg vote percentage in Kashmir.

You have said in your prior post that situation is Kashmir is critical, in that case forget voting there would have been no elections all together and state of emergency imposed in Kashmir to control a popular uprising. The current situation is opposite, increasingly we have seen voting percentages rising and peaceful elections.

Now you have to see there will always be some people unhappy, in case of Kashmir - the massive army presence and AFSPA makes people even unhappier but army is necessary to fight the insurgents who cross over frequently with express purpose to destabilize the elected govt in Kashmir.

The point regarding Kashmiri leaving India in a large no to settle overseas is also not so serious. If it would have been then there would a refuge crisis some thing like Syria. UK govt would have released a report saying tens of thousands of Kashmiris are applying for asylum due to Indian army brutality. We have seen none of this.

It would be helpful if some data were available so we can compare avg no of Kashmiris leaving with the Indian avg as a whole. The absence of such data itself suggest there is no large scale migration.

I know perhaps you have a differing opinion and I welcome it. I agree that a solution is urgently needed to alleviate the suffering of Kashmiris and I pray that it happens

@ito @third eye @Norwegian your views on this