Revival: The Muslim Response to the Crusades

[Bouhmeed]

this is absolute nonsense and rubbish. They constantly attacked italian coastal cities, killed people, enslaved other and stole evrything they could get. They were disgusting pirates and nothing else.

Triggered i known truth hurts

 

[Hamza913]

Yes, you are correct. The Muslim presence in Spain is only a figment of imagination in deranged minds.
Muslims have NEVER conquered any part of Europe, and NEVER ruled over any part of Europe
and especially not before the Crusades .

I wasn't talking about that, I was taking about he was making excuses to justify the crusades. There is no justification for them whatsoever.

What excuses? I dont excuse anything. Too excuse something would mean i felt sorry for something.

I fully support the crusades back then. I´m Italian. What you expect? That i hail when enemies again and again bring suffering for my people? The crusades brought us peace and thats the important thing.

How do i say it? The fate of your people is absolute irrelevant for me. I want the best for my people.

Evrything that achieves this, no matter how extreme it appears, justifies this.

The crusades weakened the enemy that much that he was no longer able to attack us. We turned a defense into an offense, with all the advantages it brings.

The whole objective of the crusades was to take the holy land, that never happened. You lost, there isn't much to celebrate.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I wasn't talking about that, I was taking about he was making excuses to justify the crusades. There is no justification for them whatsoever.



The whole objective of the crusades was to take the holy land, that never happened. You lost, there isn't much to celebrate.

Of course there are justification.
The conquest of one of the most holy places by another religion is a reason for war.
Persecution of non-muslims in that area fir 100s of years
Continuous aggression vs the Byzantine Empire by the Seljuks, seems to have triggered the whole thing.

Ever heard of the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
The remains are still left as the Maronites in Lebanon.
Seems like You do not have any cause to celebrate either considering todays situation.

I don't have any problems with Jerusalem beeing in control by the Jews.
Have already visited Jerusalem and the Christian holy places there, something
You are unlikely to be doing in Your lifetime.

The thing with the crusades is that it was only one part of the Christian world that participated. Truth is the barbarity of those Christians did not end at Muslims in fact it started with their own orthodox Christian brothers and sisters on their way to the holy land.

The core of the Crusaders were the Normans, aka Vikings. They had but a Christian appearance.
What do You expect from Vikings .
A Blood Eagle, if you are lucky!

The Vandals were the forfathers of the Vikings.

 

[Saudi Typhoon]

here is the documentary from 4 parts :
1-Part one (Shock).

2- Second Revival: The Muslim Response to the Crusades.

evil savages.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

I think most here ignore that the crusades were an asnwer to constant muslim agression against europe and mostly italy. The crusades ended this agression permamnent and brought safety to Italy and southern europe.

I agree. For 800 years muslims constantly attacked Italy, mostly small coast villages. Those constante attacks were the reason the Pope finally demanded a great war. The goal was to bring the war to their lands. Which was effective and in the end let their system collapse. When you look at it, they never recovered there.

Was attacking italian coast villages, murdering all people there humane from muslims? How long should italy accept this before it can strike back?

What excuses? I dont excuse anything. Too excuse something would mean i felt sorry for something.

I fully support the crusades back then. I´m Italian. What you expect? That i hail when enemies again and again bring suffering for my people? The crusades brought us peace and thats the important thing.

How do i say it? The fate of your people is absolute irrelevant for me. I want the best for my people.

Evrything that achieves this, no matter how extreme it appears, justifies this.

The crusades weakened the enemy that much that he was no longer able to attack us. We turned a defense into an offense, with all the advantages it brings.

The arab attacks ended. Is it important for us if it was one state or many when this threat ended finally? I dont think so.

Haven't I already debunked this?


The Crusades were a call by the pope to help the Byzantine Empire against the Seljuk Turks. Since they had captured Anatolia the Byzantine empire was in desperate Straits. It was not an answer to any aggression. By that time no-one had even bothered with Europe except the Andalusians and berbers.

Anyway it does not matter, you lost and to this day the Turks hold Anatolia. Must hurt doesn't it?

 

[Saudi Typhoon]

Europeans like to call themselves liberals.
yet they defend mid evil crusaders and justify their crimes in Jerusalem when they slaughter the entire population including women and children.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Of course there are justification.
The conquest of one of the most holy places by another religion is a reason for war.
Persecution of non-muslims in that area fir 100s of years
Continuous aggression vs the Byzantine Empire by the Seljuks, seems to have triggered the whole thing.

Ever heard of the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
The remains are still left as the Maronites in Lebanon.
Seems like You do not have any cause to celebrate either considering todays situation.

I don't have any problems with Jerusalem beeing in control by the Jews.
Have already visited Jerusalem and the Christian holy places there, something
You are unlikely to be doing in Your lifetime.

The core of the Crusaders were the Normans, aka Vikings. They had but a Christian appearance.
What do You expect from Vikings .
A Blood Eagle, if you are lucky!

What is with your sick perversions? Why are you so obsessed with muslims?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Of course there are justification.
The conquest of one of the most holy places by another religion is a reason for war.
Persecution of non-muslims in that area fir 100s of years
Continuous aggression vs the Byzantine Empire by the Seljuks, seems to have triggered the whole thing.

Ever heard of the Kingdom of Jerusalem?
The remains are still left as the Maronites in Lebanon.
Seems like You do not have any cause to celebrate either considering todays situation.

I don't have any problems with Jerusalem beeing in control by the Jews.
Have already visited Jerusalem and the Christian holy places there, something
You are unlikely to be doing in Your lifetime.



The core of the Crusaders were the Normans, aka Vikings. They had but a Christian appearance.
What do You expect from Vikings .
A Blood Eagle, if you are lucky!


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The Vandals were the forfathers of the Vikings.

Most of them came from France. And some even killed their own Christian people in Europe as well. So much for the word crusade meaning "soldier of Christ." The pope chose bishops as commanders. It's obvious the crusades weren't for "saving Christianity" if you kill Christians once you get into the holy land too lmao. The crusades was an excuse to rape,rule and pillage. They're like the medieval NATO lol.

If the Normans were the bulk then that shows what the Popes real intentions were.

 

[EAK]

@MarkusS @A.P. Richelieu ..Well guys IMHO you don't apologies for being a defensive force ..

Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204

Pope says sorry for sins of church

 

[fitpOsitive]

I think most here ignore that the crusades were an asnwer to constant muslim agression against europe and mostly italy. The crusades ended this agression permamnent and brought safety to Italy and southern europe.

On the contrary Europe started attacking muslims when muslims stopped attacking them.

 

[The SC]

Muslims defeated both the Byzantine and the Roman empires and took back Jerusalem (Al Qods), their invasions of other lands were to establish equality in suppressed nations it was never for land grabbing, in fact none other than Muslims have reigned with such democracy in mind, be it Europe or India, the main economical systems were of few landlords controlling most land,and the rest of the population were their slaves.. all European crusades were led by knights, or nobility a.k.a landlords and their head was the church who had absolute authority on the landlords and their slaves, the populace.. so no one can come and claim that the church was democratic in those times or abide by any civilian law, in fact the first adopted law by the Church was the Muslim law called Qanun (which literally means law) it is still the base of the British law.. Massacres and genocides were appalling to Muslims, and they have in most parts of their invasions been called upon by some parts of the suppressed populace of those lands, hence after liberating them, Muslims asked them to join Islam or if they prefer to keep their religion, to contribute by paying taxes to sustain the state and their own protection from any internal or external harm.. In fact every land that was conquered by Muslims have prospered beyond any imagination,Architectural monuments if they depict any depth of a civilization and writes its greatness on stones, marble and wood are witnesses to that till today..While all the crusaders left was extremely traumatic memories to any populace they have encountered in their quest of more lands and resources in the name of.religion.. their true nature appeared again with colonialism in the 18th to 20th century..
The US wanted to mimic the Muslim invasions, and went to Afghanistan and Iraq apparently to help the populace that was "suppressed", but at the end it was obvious it was done with a hidden agenda and was not the genuine intention.(they even had a huge Artillery piece called Crusader they have sent to Iraq!!!). it was to protect Usrael _their own implant in the middle east_ and get a foot in the heart of the Oil rich middle east (and Afghanistan natural resources that are values at more than 3 or 4 trillion $) themselves this time .. it failed of course..

 

[TMA]

How about first you go and read about Roman Empire of yours which you surely would take alot of pride in?? How about reading more about your roman empire wars on different lands? you think after romans converted to christainity they stopped waging wars on others? You seriously need to READ YOUR HISTORY MATE before you point finger at others. and crusade was not a defensive move but rather an ofensive one, after crusades European went to every corner of the world and started colonising and forcefuly converted the natives everywhere they went to. So stop embarrasing yourself by making stupid excuses for the barbarism of crusaders.

I do not think MarkusS is a Roman. I do not think they exist anymore. Most likely have been race-mixed out.
Was is not Hitler who said in Italy lies Rome but no Romans are to be found there?

 

[HAIDER]

@MarkusS @A.P. Richelieu ..Well guys IMHO you don't apologies for being a defensive force ..

Pope says sorry for crusaders' rampage in 1204

Pope says sorry for sins of church

 

[MarkusS]

I wasn't talking about that, I was taking about he was making excuses to justify the crusades. There is no justification for them whatsoever.



The whole objective of the crusades was to take the holy land, that never happened. You lost, there isn't much to celebrate.

We lost? The entire region broke apart to the state it has today. We conquered the world...You have Aleppo and Damacscus and last time i checked we have the holy land. Its quite peaceful in Jerusalem. Isn´t it?

Haven't I already debunked this?


The Crusades were a call by the pope to help the Byzantine Empire against the Seljuk Turks. Since they had captured Anatolia the Byzantine empire was in desperate Straits. It was not an answer to any aggression. By that time no-one had even bothered with Europe except the Andalusians and berbers.

Anyway it does not matter, you lost and to this day the Turks hold Anatolia. Must hurt doesn't it?

What does hurt? To be a 1st world country and not own a shithole?

I think you may notice that nobody in Europe wants Anatolia. It tries to become a member of EU since 50 years and is kept out. God beware us to step into this hellhole.

I do not think MarkusS is a Roman. I do not think they exist anymore. Most likely have been race-mixed out.
Was is not Hitler who said in Italy lies Rome but no Romans are to be found there?

Quite bullshit, since genetic studies say there was almost no genetic flow and our DNA is virtually the same as back then in roman empire.

On the contrary Europe started attacking muslims when muslims stopped attacking them.

And? Thats what you must do to secure future. Stomp down on the enemy so he never is a threat anymore

 

[Baybars Han]

We lost? The entire region broke apart to the state it has today. We conquered the world...You have Aleppo and Damacscus and last time i checked we have the holy land. Its quite peaceful in Jerusalem. Isn´t it?




What does hurt? To be a 1st world country and not own a shithole?

I think you may notice that nobody in Europe wants Anatolia. It tries to become a member of EU since 50 years and is kept out. God beware us to step into this hellhole.




Quite bullshit, since genetic studies say there was almost no genetic flow and our DNA is virtually the same as back then in roman empire.




And? Thats what you must do to secure future. Stomp down on the enemy so he never is a threat anymore

Hahah one deluded rat you are. Every allied nation tried to take it in ww1 but couldn't. Atilla also raped the Romans. Atilla and Constantinople the capital of Rome. Your ancestors got a double D in themselves pal.