Return of Pandits to Kashmir, illegal immigrants on MHA list for Modi

[Android]

Wanna make Kashmir Valley a Hindu Majority Region??? Then just Remove article 370 and Bhaiyyas and Biharis will take care of the rest.

 

[Chronos]

There are 80 million Marathis in this world. There are how many millions of South Indians? Dogras only number less than 5 million and that's including the ones in Himachal Pradesh. Our homeland is Jammu. Why should we sacrifice it? Kashmiris don't let anyone move in. Dogras, Kashmiri Pandits, Ladakhis, etc. cannot relocate to Srinagar even if they want to in any significant number because of the constant security threat. No one moves to Ladakh because there is nothing there. In the whole state, only Jammu is bearing the burden of multiculturalism.

Isn't it high time that Jammu is made a state of it's own? And made laws that are similar of Kashmir? That outsiders are not allowed to settle?

Just remove the article 370 the bhaiyyas and biharis will automatically do rest of the work.

 

[Contrarian]

There are 80 million Marathis in this world. There are how many millions of South Indians? Dogras only number less than 5 million and that's including the ones in Himachal Pradesh. Our homeland is Jammu. Why should we sacrifice it? Kashmiris don't let anyone move in. Dogras, Kashmiri Pandits, Ladakhis, etc. cannot relocate to Srinagar even if they want to in any significant number because of the constant security threat. No one moves to Ladakh because there is nothing there. In the whole state, only Jammu is bearing the burden of multiculturalism.

Problem is that J&K - Pandits, Hindus, Dogras, all opposed scrapping 370 earlier.
That time they felt if it was removed people from rest of India will swamp in Kashmir and change the culture, etc.

They always felt one day they will be able to go back and take their lands. It was this foolish notion in their heads that was another stopper for GoI.

Its only now that they are beginning to realize that unless their population is bolstered by those from rest of India,they will have nothing left in the end.

 

[jandk]

Problem is that J&K - Pandits, Hindus, Dogras, all opposed scrapping 370 earlier.
That time they felt if it was removed people from rest of India will swamp in Kashmir and change the culture, etc.

They always felt one day they will be able to go back and take their lands. It was this foolish notion in their heads that was another stopper for GoI.

To be honest with you, I'm torn on Article 370. On one hand, it's great from an economic perspective but Jammu has a very low population. We will be swamped completely.

Just remove the article 370 the bhaiyyas and biharis will automatically do rest of the work.

If you say that to people, majority will oppose removing Article 370

 

[Contrarian]

To be honest with you, I'm torn on Article 370. On one hand, it's great from an economic perspective but Jammu has a very low population. We will be swamped completely.



If you say that to people, majority will oppose removing Article 370

Its just as what I said.
Majority of the people of J&K - including KP's oppose it.
But you must realize, that if you persist with this attitude, you will have nothing left in the end like KP's. Heck KP's lobbied in Delhi to prevent removal of 370 as they thought they will get back their dominant position in Kashmir even after being thrown out. That perception is changing slowly. You lot need to realize that as well.

If you say that to people, majority will oppose removing Article 370

What is the birthrate/expansion rate of KM's?

 

[jandk]

Its just as what I said.
Majority of the people of J&K - including KP's oppose it.
But you must realize, that if you persist with this attitude, you will have nothing left in the end like KP's. Heck KP's lobbied in Delhi to prevent removal of 370 as they thought they will get back their dominant position in Kashmir even after being thrown out. That perception is changing slowly. You lot need to realize that as well.


What is the birthrate/expansion rate of KM's?

Dogras are not like KPs. To be honest, we are strongly connected to our land and we are much more aggressive. Kashmiris will think twice before messing with us. Muslims in Jammu behave themselves.
J&K total fertility rate is 1.9. There is no breakdown for each community but it's safe to say that KMs have a higher fertility rate than Hindus. I think that the state (India) needs to give incentives to Dogras and Kashmiri Pandits to have more kids.

Isn't it high time that Jammu is made a state of it's own? And made laws that are similar of Kashmir? That outsiders are not allowed to settle?

Jammu won't be separated from J&K anytime soon.

 

[Contrarian]

Dogras are not like KPs. To be honest, we are strongly connected to our land and we are much more aggressive. Kashmiris will think twice before messing with us. Muslims in Jammu behave themselves.
J&K total fertility rate is 1.9. There is no breakdown for each community but it's safe to say that KMs have a higher fertility rate than Hindus. I think that the state (India) needs to give incentives to Dogras and Kashmiri Pandits to have more kids.

That cannot happen. You know why, its not legally tenable.

However if its 1.9, that means that as a whole the population of J&K is declining?

Jammu won't be separated from J&K anytime soon.

Hopefully not. Leh Laddakh however should definitely become a UT.
That is step 1 in solving Kashmir.

 

[Chronos]

That cannot happen. You know why, its not legally tenable.

However if its 1.9, that means that as a whole the population of J&K is declining?

Hopefully not. Leh Laddakh however should definitely become a UT.
That is step 1 in solving Kashmir.

Also, the gender ratio in Kashmir is pretty abysmal. 850 odd females to 1000 Males.

 

[HariPrasad]

All this is easier said than done. Providing security to Kashmiri Pandits after their return to Kashmir is going to be tough. The sponsored terrorists from across won't allow that to happen. Even if a couple of Pandidts are killed, the entire scheme will come a cropper.

Locate them at one place fully protected by Inain army. Give them weapon and training so that they can handle local goons and Mullahs.

 

[jandk]

That cannot happen. You know why, its not legally tenable.

However if its 1.9, that means that as a whole the population of J&K is declining?

Hopefully not. Leh Laddakh however should definitely become a UT.
That is step 1 in solving Kashmir.

You really think Kashmiris would ever give up jammu? Without jammu, you only have one Srinagar as the chief economic centre and it's a crippled city. Jammu has made substantial progress and is leaving Srinagar behind. Mullahs will never let go of Jammu.

 

[Chronos]

To be honest with you, I'm torn on Article 370. On one hand, it's great from an economic perspective but Jammu has a very low population. We will be swamped completely.



If you say that to people, majority will oppose removing Article 370

That is why I am thinking of Jammu as a separate state, except have a similar article for Jammu. Then you can kick out Kashmiris if you want.

But Omar Abdullah have vehemently opposed this.

You really think Kashmiris would ever give up jammu? Without jammu, you only have one Srinagar as the chief economic centre and it's a crippled city. Jammu has made substantial progress and is leaving Srinagar behind. Mullahs will never let go of Jammu.

It is their own dam fault for ruining Srinagar. If they weren't blinded because of archaic beliefs and took the pragmatic route of economics.

 

[Yeti]

The issue is do the Pandits wish to move to the valley? most are settled in other parts or overseas and their kids have no memory of living there which is sad but what to do?

 

[474474]

Indians are forgetting they only have 40% of Kashmir. A handful of pundits that left probably didnt have big enough houses for all their grand children to fit in upon return so wtf will they go?

 

[mandrom]

I will openly admit most of the city folks of Srinagar were and are cowards(regardless of religion). If a single one is shot, the whole coterie will run. But many have changed, especially the new generation. So this time expect more Kishtwars - for good or for worse. Though that's not exactly Kashmir so to speak.

Why don't kashmiri pandits train under sikhs.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@SarthakGanguly

Would reestablishing Pandits in Kashmir be a wiser move?

It would do very little to dent demographic advantage that Sunni Muslims enjoys in valley but rehabilitation of Pandits in Jammu may cement demographic advantage that Hindus have in Jammu while while being substantial still has pockets of Muslim majority like in Rajouri, Poonch and specially Doda which is demographically contested.

Another drawback of reestablishing Pandits in Kashmir specially when done in small groups would be the threat of their being swamped by Muslims.

Also a lot of Pandits are well established in rest of India and would not like to go back.

No - actually most Muslims you see in Doda for example are Shia and some from the Sufi branches. They are also refugees. Most of the police personnel that join the JnK police come from these people (and they beat the crap out of the stone throwers).

Plus, the return of 700,000 Pandits or even the very prospect will make the entry of RSS and Arya Samaj much easier. The Pandits rejected the RSS in the 90s. This time something like that is not going to happen again.

Another interesting factor is the overall reduction of the Kashmiri Muslim population when compared to other group in JnK. This is a well established fact.

Plus there continues a flight of Kashmiri (Sunni)Muslim talent. Most come to Bangalore and New Delhi. Remember the girl's band - Pragash?

Why don't kashmiri pandits train under sikhs.

Many do.

Indians are forgetting they only have 40% of Kashmir. A handful of pundits that left probably didnt have big enough houses for all their grand children to fit in upon return so wtf will they go?

India has 100% of Kashmir. 80% of Jammu, 0% of Gilgit and 0% of Aksai.