Report - Modi government quietly working to revoke the indus water treaty with pakistan

[TNT]

India can destroy Pakistan but that will disrupt oil supply in the middle east. That is where the problem is. Pakistan is being tolerated for oil supply, not in fear of blames. India is developing rapidly and does not want to disrupt this development by sabotaging oil supply.

Yet another coward excuse. Oil does not pass through Pakistani land, so how doea it disrupt oil supply? And do u think Pakistan cannot destroy India? Did u forget the punch on the face on 27/2 ??? Or did u forget we have larger number and more powerful nukes than india.

 

[notorious_eagle]

India can destroy Pakistan but that will disrupt oil supply in the middle east. That is where the problem is. Pakistan is being tolerated for oil supply, not in fear of blames. India is developing rapidly and does not want to disrupt this development by sabotaging oil supply.

India certainly can destroy Pakistan as it has the nukes, but you forget Pakistan has more nukes then India. Pakistan can destroy India in return, as it has more nukes. Besides, India's military machine is severely weak compared to Pakistan's military machine as it lacks the teeth and the punch.

India had not used any Su30 in Kargil war. India only used MiG21 and older Russian planes and had very limited capability of long range BVR.

India used the MIG29's and the Mirage 2000's to deadly effect in Kargil.

India has stockpile for 10 days intensive war. The definition of intensive can vary and can actually mean over a month of war. Moreover, India is not prepared for full war but only limited war needed according to threat perceptions posed by Pakistan. India is observing the number and quality of Pakistani arms and then building up accordingly. India has indigenous manufacturing for T90 tanks, Su30 planes, missiles, radars etc. India does not need Arjun tank as T90 has been indigenised with India developing the engine. The logistical problems are only on paper.

Pakistan maintains 45 days worth of stockpile for an intensive war against India. So there is no issue on Pakistan's side, because Pakistani side is confident that they will boss the Indian side as demonstrated on Feb 27 where the PAF absolutely dominated the IAF. The Cobra Dancer SU30MKI buggered out of the combat zone and escaped with its tails between its legs, as the F16's were painting it with the AMRAAMs.

There will not be any stalemate in war as Pakistan has very little to defend itself against Indian assault. The strategy is simply to mass produce indigenous weapons and mass attack Pakistan. India has the resources and technology to produce enough weapons to steamroll Pakistan. Stalemate can happen only when India does not want war as other geopolitical scenario is favourable to development but still wants to show consequences to Pakistan for any aggression.

As demonstrated on Feb 27, India lacks the military punch to pummel through Pakistan. Pakistan is armed to the teeth, and can match India on every level of intensity of conflict. India's military machine while impressive, does not has the punch and the teeth to push through Pakistan's defenses.

 

[BATMAN]

Last time India hit jackpot when Zardari was ruling and now once again they are on front foot, ever since Imran Khan re-married.

India certainly can destroy Pakistan as it has the nukes

AFAIK, their nuclear tests were a fail, followed by disappearance of nuclear scientists.

Neither Pakistani or any foreign institute recorded any scientific record, which may support any claims of nuclear tests next to Pakistan's border.

Even IAEA reported, India cheap copies of Pakistani centrifuges and so does Iran.

 

[suyog chavan]

Pakistan maintains 45 days worth of stockpile for an intensive war against India. So there is no issue on Pakistan's side, because Pakistani side is confident that they will boss the Indian side as demonstrated on Feb 27 where the PAF absolutely dominated the IAF. The Cobra Dancer SU30MKI buggered out of the combat zone and escaped with its tails between its legs, as the F16's were painting it with the AMRAAMs.

mann really??
you don't know the difference between a war and a small scale airspace skirmish , don't you??

India certainly can destroy Pakistan as it has the nukes, but you forget Pakistan has more nukes then India. Pakistan can destroy India in return, as it has more nukes. Besides, India's military machine is severely weak compared to Pakistan's military machine as it lacks the teeth and the punch.


India used the MIG29's and the Mirage 2000's to deadly effect in Kargil.



Pakistan maintains 45 days worth of stockpile for an intensive war against India. So there is no issue on Pakistan's side, because Pakistani side is confident that they will boss the Indian side as demonstrated on Feb 27 where the PAF absolutely dominated the IAF. The Cobra Dancer SU30MKI buggered out of the combat zone and escaped with its tails between its legs, as the F16's were painting it with the AMRAAMs.



As demonstrated on Feb 27, India lacks the military punch to pummel through Pakistan. Pakistan is armed to the teeth, and can match India on every level of intensity of conflict. India's military machine while impressive, does not has the punch and the teeth to push through Pakistan's defenses.

Atleast when you talk about the war have your senses on place , not utter the words that you wish to happen,
that's insanity of you guys I see here , you guys want your wishes fullifed to lower the burden of the wars you have lost to INDIA .
but that ain't going to happen by claiming to win a small airspace skirmish and chest thumping about the incident.
By the way tea was FANTASTIC my servants.LOL

 

[PakistaniJunior]

You know if our waters are stopped, we would literally be left with no other option other than going to war. A nuclear war is also very likely in such a scenario as we would literally have nothing left to lose. I've been observing Modi's behavior for a while. The try for manipulating one of the most basic and fundamental need of human life, how low. With each passing day, he's making more and more stupid moves to ensure the destruction of this region. The Kashmir lockdown has already done irrepairable damage to relations with Pak, what more does he want?

 

[suyog chavan]

You know if our waters are stopped, we would literally be left with no other option other than going to war. A nuclear war is also very likely in such a scenario as we would literally have nothing left to lose. I've been observing Modi's behavior for a while. The try for manipulating one of the most basic and fundamental need of human life, how low. With each passing day, he's making more and more stupid moves to ensure the destruction of this region. The Kashmir lockdown has already done irreplacable damage to relations with Pak, what more does he want?

All the nuclear weapons of INDIA and PAKISTAN combined cannot destroy the overall landmass of both the countries,
that is the reason they are aimed at the populous cities, not the empty rural fields and grasslands .
It can destroy the population mostly with high density locations , the land mass of a whole nation cannot be demolished into ashes by atomic bomb, that's just forgery lie. spread by the fraudulents.
and you can save yourself by building bunkers , but again radiation may affect you to a certain disease, and that disease may cause you lethal health for rest of your life.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Yes. It creates hallucinations and delusions.

That's just a side effect ,on the other side it cures all kinds of diseases and protects against nuclear radiation

 

[Chhatrapati]

I'd like a source on your claim that India is paying Pakistan to build dams and barrages.

Those are in the treaty. India paid around $5 billion in today's money. A simple google search would give you the data. And our leaders were stupid enough to pay the installment even after the 1965 war.

A 50-50 split, with no exclusivity would guarantee that Pakistan would suffer an even worse water shortage. If not right way, then the near future.

IWT is the most liberal water treaty in the world. An upper riparian country only needs to give 50% of the water that's the law everywhere in the world. India signed this treaty hoping that this would forgo the concerns of India blocking water to Pakistan and hence the claim to Kashmir by giving 80% of the share and paid for new irrigation systems and canals, not just India, the US gave you cheap loans, some western countries also gave you grants.
Don't know what happened to those funds.

Pakistan wastes most of this water, despite your dire need you haven't done enough to tackle water scarcity, and your forest cover is rapidly depleting (worst performer in deforestation). You give permits to hunt exotic animals which is a total disregard for the ecosystem.

I'm not claiming a moral high ground, water issues and desertification affects Indian western states too.

PS : This news by Pakistan is some wild conspiracy theory, as government clarified about this news, India has no interest in altering the IWT, these op-eds are attempts to divert attention from the real water scarcity issues that Pakistan face due to its own mismanagement not because of India.

 

[Type59]

Every few months same drama. Modi is an interesting character. Hope yogi becomes pm next.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Those are in the treaty. India paid around $5 billion in today's money. A simple google search would give you the data. And our leaders were stupid enough to pay the installment even after the 1965 war.


IWT is the most liberal water treaty in the world. An upper riparian country only needs to give 50% of the water that's the law everywhere in the world. India signed this treaty hoping that this would forgo the concerns of India blocking water to Pakistan and hence the claim to Kashmir by giving 80% of the share and paid for new irrigation systems and canals, not just India, the US gave you cheap loans, some western countries also gave you grants.
Don't know what happened to those funds.

Pakistan wastes most of this water, despite your dire need you haven't done enough to tackle water scarcity, and your forest cover is rapidly depleting (worst performer in deforestation). You give permits to hunt exotic animals which is a total disregard for the ecosystem.

I'm not claiming a moral high ground, water issues and desertification affects Indian western states too.

PS : This news by Pakistan is some wild conspiracy theory, as government clarified about this news, India has no interest in altering the IWT, these op-eds are attempts to divert attention from the real water scarcity issues that Pakistan face due to its own mismanagement not because of India.

Hunting permits which allow the controlled hunting of animals and birds are infact good for ecosystem. Exotic animals you mentioned are not easy to hunt here trust me.The wildlife department gave hunting permits to foreigners mostly who pay a hefty hunting fee in dollars ($80000 for a markhore) and even after that they are allowed to hunt a old animal who is going to die anyway in few months.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

India can eliminate Pakistan if it wants. But India has some requirement for petroleum supply and semiconductor technology goods. The Arabs are giving free oil to India in the form of investment and remittance while China & USA are selling semiconductor chipsets and technology goods to maintain smooth functioning. Destroying Pakistan will have serious effect on petroleum supply and this is something which India would avoid as of now.

Even if you had wells of oil in Rajasthan..us targeting them would have been your excuse notto goto war..When you plan to go to war you dont care about you two time meal..

 

[Chhatrapati]

Hunting permits which allow the controlled hunting of animals and birds are infact good for ecosystem. Exotic animals you mentioned are not easy to hunt here trust me.The wildlife department gave hunting permits to foreigners mostly who pay a hefty hunting fee in dollars ($80000 for a markhore) and even after that they are allowed to hunt a old animal who is going to die anyway in few months.

Hunting of wild animals is never good for the wildlife ecosystem. There were supposed to be Lions, and Tigers to handle that. Reintroduce them from some African/Asian countries.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Hunting of wild animals is never good for the wildlife ecosystem. There were supposed to be Lions, and Tigers to handle that. Reintroduce them from some African/Asian countries.

Please do your research before you type .
Hunting manages wildlife populations.
Hunting is a vital wildlife management tool. It keeps nature at a healthy balance of which the available habitat can support (carrying capacity). For many wildlife species, hunting also helps to maintain populations at levels compatible with human activity and land use.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Please do your research before you type .
Hunting manages wildlife populations.
Hunting is a vital wildlife management tool. It keeps nature at a healthy balance of which the available habitat can support (carrying capacity). For many wildlife species, hunting also helps to maintain populations at levels compatible with human activity and land use.

It sounds like one of those American justifications for hunting. Their forest area is vast (37%) and since they hunted down most of the carnivores there before conservation effort kicked in, hunting is keeping overgrazing in check.
Pakistan is not one of such a country your forest area is depleting at an alarming rate. Many of your wildlife went extinct or are going extinct. Humans don't belong in the wildlife.

 

[third eye]

Violating IWT or stopping Pakistani water will leave us with no other choice but to go to war.

Not very long ago removal of 370 too supposed to be a trigger to go to war - it didn’t happen

Not that I am in favour of it’s abrogation but once a treaty is abrogated , It can hardly be violated. Can it ?

what I am strongly in favour of is not allowing a drop of Indian share of water to flow west - that I believe is WIP