Report - Modi government quietly working to revoke the indus water treaty with pakistan

[Syed1.]

no offence boys

but this current leadership of Bajwa & IK, I don’t expect anything will done. They seem like a bunch of cowards

If only we had Allama Khadim Rizvi as PM

 

[Dual Wielder]

If only we had Allama Khadim Rizvi as PM

Not to delegitimize your crusade on patwaris, but its been nearly 6 months since the Hindutva dogs locked down Kashmir, our leadership has shown a weak resolve, and has been on the defensive since..(unlike the enemy). Surely more could have been done, maybe the establishment is playing the long game.. But I lost my faith in those self serving corrupt pigs, instead of Kashmir their main priorities were to secure the release of the Donkey king.

 

[Adonis]

because there is a huge Muslim population in your country, and plus our religion even in wars forbids us to hurt children, women, old and sick people. Retaliation in defence would be a different story. Get it genius?

Nothing against India/Pak debate here but to your point only.
Yes, our religion said so but when it was followed?....all the Muslim invaders whom you guys in Pakistan consider as Hero ..slaughtered old, children, women alike....read about Taimur, Nadir Shah, Abdali, etc.... weren't children and women hurt during partition of the subcontinent?

These things looks great in books/religious texts...irony is no one cares about them when they mattered the most.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_India

 

[TNT]

India is waiting for that opportunity. If India starts a war, then India will be blamed for disrupting oil supply for the world. So, India wants Pakistan to start the war. India is ready to give martyrdom to anyone who dreams of it.

So if u think u have the courage to destroy Pakistan then why worry about blames? Dont u have the guts to start a war when u want it? Or is it ur typical hindu cowardice? And yes we want martyrdom but before that everyone of us will make sure we send a few cowpiss drinkers to hell.

 

[That Guy]

A fair treaty would be to give 50-50 share not giving exclusive control to any river. Be it Ravi river which is now a dry land area in Pakistan or Indus whose water now has no benefits for India than letting it flow into Pakistan.

That's not how it works. The Indus river is the only major source of water going into Pakistan, without which millions would go without water.

India has multiple rivers flowing through it. It is India's legal and moral duty to not threaten another nation's water supply. Besides, India threatening Pakistan's water supply would justify and guarantee war.

 

[Hayreddin]

Treaty means nothing now . Its already null n void after 5 august 2019 india and pakistan in 1948 era . Its no more LOC but CFL . Well truth is bitter . Might wld be right .sword will decide btw two countries . Hoping UN wld do something or india wld respect intl treaty is nothing but a fools dream .

 

[Pandora]

Why don't you use a nuclear missile if you really don't fear death? What are you waiting for?


The international law is law made by the west when they were powerful after winning WW2. Countries like Zimbabwe, Zambia, India, Myanmar, China etc hardly has any say. It is outdated and has no credibility left.

In Kargil war, even India did not have BVR. BVR technology is a new one which came after 1990s when semiconductor became miniaturised enough to be able to be fitted on missiles. But the changes after Kargil have been many and in Indian favour. India developed its own BVR, radars, SAM, BMD, satellite systems, long range ICBM, massive ship building capability, Su30 indigenous manufacturing with full TOT along with development of Tejas, tanks and artillery manufacturing and many other developments which have made India much stronger. Pakistan has only developed Babur cruise missile but has not been able to develop radar, jets, satellites etc. So, India is at a massive advantage as of now.

India is not ready for long wars and neither is any country in the world ready for long wars as that is an internationally accepted norm to avoid other countries from panicking. So, the strategy is to maintain operational preparedness according to threat perceptions. Nevertheless, if the global situation changes, then India can make itself prepared for long wars in just a year's time. Pakistan is not capable of doing that as it has no indigenous technology.

If it was so easy to violate international law then life would be so much easier. Unlike west India is not a developed nation and relies heavily on trade with west not the other way around. Well if you had so much hate for current UN model then instead of creating your own monopoly by being permanent SC member you should have been trying to dissolve their power. When pakistan presented resolution for a new democratic system India was the first to stick with status quo.

India had BVR namely R77 during kargil war you have simply no knowledge on this topic so no point talking about it.

As far as the current situation is concerned you dont even have enough stockpile for 10 days war. Secondly wars are not as simple that you would know how much you need to fight how many days. The question is given indian history of having poor logistic support for its equipment from russia and even its own institutions how can you even claim that you will be ready for long war. I will give you example that your entire inventory of arjun tanks is in storage bcz of lack of spares.

Like i said before you might have built your military to be superior but we built our armed forces for sole purpose of defeating Indian aggressions. There is no strategy that you can employ to break a stalemate in case of war. You simply wont be able to gain ground without losing some in return. You sense of superiority bit dust on 27th Feb.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

So if u think u have the courage to destroy Pakistan then why worry about blames? Dont u have the guts to start a war when u want it? Or is it ur typical hindu cowardice? And yes we want martyrdom but before that everyone of us will make sure we send a few cowpiss drinkers to hell.

India can destroy Pakistan but that will disrupt oil supply in the middle east. That is where the problem is. Pakistan is being tolerated for oil supply, not in fear of blames. India is developing rapidly and does not want to disrupt this development by sabotaging oil supply.

If it was so easy to violate international law then life would be so much easier. Unlike west India is not a developed nation and relies heavily on trade with west not the other way around. Well if you had so much hate for current UN model then instead of creating your own monopoly by being permanent SC member you should have been trying to dissolve their power. When pakistan presented resolution for a new democratic system India was the first to stick with status quo.

India had BVR namely R77 during kargil war you have simply no knowledge on this topic so no point talking about it.

As far as the current situation is concerned you don't even have enough stockpile for 10 days war. Secondly wars are not as simple that you would know how much you need to fight how many days. The question is given Indian history of having poor logistic support for its equipment from russia and even its own institutions how can you even claim that you will be ready for long war. I will give you example that your entire inventory of arjun tanks is in storage bcz of lack of spares.

Like i said before you might have built your military to be superior but we built our armed forces for sole purpose of defeating Indian aggressions. There is no strategy that you can employ to break a stalemate in case of war. You simply wont be able to gain ground without losing some in return. You sense of superiority bit dust on 27th Feb.

Define developed? What kind of dependency does India have on west except for semiconductor chipsets? West is giving very little to India to make India dependent on west. In fact, west runs on petrodollar which in turn depends on petroleum supply of Middle east. UNSC is being tolerated as long as it does not go against Indian interests. Disruptions in order can be costly and time intensive and hence best avoided unless necessary.

India had not used any Su30 in Kargil war. India only used MiG21 and older Russian planes and had very limited capability of long range BVR.

India has stockpile for 10 days intensive war. The definition of intensive can vary and can actually mean over a month of war. Moreover, India is not prepared for full war but only limited war needed according to threat perceptions posed by Pakistan. India is observing the number and quality of Pakistani arms and then building up accordingly. India has indigenous manufacturing for T90 tanks, Su30 planes, missiles, radars etc. India does not need Arjun tank as T90 has been indigenised with India developing the engine. The logistical problems are only on paper.

There will not be any stalemate in war as Pakistan has very little to defend itself against Indian assault. The strategy is simply to mass produce indigenous weapons and mass attack Pakistan. India has the resources and technology to produce enough weapons to steamroll Pakistan. Stalemate can happen only when India does not want war as other geopolitical scenario is favourable to development but still wants to show consequences to Pakistan for any aggression.

 

[Chhatrapati]

That's not how it works. The Indus river is the only major source of water going into Pakistan, without which millions would go without water.

India has multiple rivers flowing through it. It is India's legal and moral duty to not threaten another nation's water supply. Besides, India threatening Pakistan's water supply would justify and guarantee war.

I didn't say we should reverse the decision of 80 - 20 sharing in India's favor. I said on a 50 - 50 per each with no exclusive rights. You're not even using your share of water despite us paying you for the construction of barrages or dams and people in Jammu and Kashmir do not get enough water for irrigation from Indus because India can't store the water.

India has to support 1.4 billion people and agriculture. We are already a water-stressed country soon we will have to divert Ravi, Beas, and Sutlej completely to use it to the fullest. Pretty sure people living on the other side will have reservations over it.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Respond to this by completely blocking Pakistani airspace for all kinds of Indian jets and blocking all indian import and export routes from Pakistan. You do this and I bet this will serve as a attitude adjustment for modi and RSS monkeys.

 

[Pandora]

India can destroy Pakistan but that will disrupt oil supply in the middle east. That is where the problem is. Pakistan is being tolerated for oil supply, not in fear of blames. India is developing rapidly and does not want to disrupt this development by sabotaging oil supply.


Define developed? What kind of dependency does India have on west except for semiconductor chipsets? West is giving very little to India to make India dependent on west. In fact, west runs on petrodollar which in turn depends on petroleum supply of Middle east. UNSC is being tolerated as long as it does not go against Indian interests. Disruptions in order can be costly and time intensive and hence best avoided unless necessary.

India had not used any Su30 in Kargil war. India only used MiG21 and older Russian planes and had very limited capability of long range BVR.

India has stockpile for 10 days intensive war. The definition of intensive can vary and can actually mean over a month of war. Moreover, India is not prepared for full war but only limited war needed according to threat perceptions posed by Pakistan. India is observing the number and quality of Pakistani arms and then building up accordingly. India has indigenous manufacturing for T90 tanks, Su30 planes, missiles, radars etc. India does not need Arjun tank as T90 has been indigenised with India developing the engine. The logistical problems are only on paper.

There will not be any stalemate in war as Pakistan has very little to defend itself against Indian assault. The strategy is simply to mass produce indigenous weapons and mass attack Pakistan. India has the resources and technology to produce enough weapons to steamroll Pakistan. Stalemate can happen only when India does not want war as other geopolitical scenario is favourable to development but still wants to show consequences to Pakistan for any aggression.

Your entire statement shows ignorance about Pakistan Geopolitically and militarily as well.

 

[SecularNationalist]

India can destroy Pakistan but that will disrupt oil supply in the middle east. That is where the problem is. Pakistan is being tolerated for oil supply, not in fear of blames. India is developing rapidly and does not want to disrupt this development by sabotaging oil supply.


Define developed? What kind of dependency does India have on west except for semiconductor chipsets? West is giving very little to India to make India dependent on west. In fact, west runs on petrodollar which in turn depends on petroleum supply of Middle east. UNSC is being tolerated as long as it does not go against Indian interests. Disruptions in order can be costly and time intensive and hence best avoided unless necessary.

India had not used any Su30 in Kargil war. India only used MiG21 and older Russian planes and had very limited capability of long range BVR.

India has stockpile for 10 days intensive war. The definition of intensive can vary and can actually mean over a month of war. Moreover, India is not prepared for full war but only limited war needed according to threat perceptions posed by Pakistan. India is observing the number and quality of Pakistani arms and then building up accordingly. India has indigenous manufacturing for T90 tanks, Su30 planes, missiles, radars etc. India does not need Arjun tank as T90 has been indigenised with India developing the engine. The logistical problems are only on paper.

There will not be any stalemate in war as Pakistan has very little to defend itself against Indian assault. The strategy is simply to mass produce indigenous weapons and mass attack Pakistan. India has the resources and technology to produce enough weapons to steamroll Pakistan. Stalemate can happen only when India does not want war as other geopolitical scenario is favourable to development but still wants to show consequences to Pakistan for any aggression.

See what cow urine does to people .

 

[Kabira]

Chenab is the river India can cut off from Pakistan. Other 2 rivers - Indus and Jhelum are in Azad Kashmir or Pakistan and hence difficult to cut off. Chenab can also give India reasonable amount of additional waters.


India can eliminate Pakistan if it wants. But India has some requirement for petroleum supply and semiconductor technology goods. The Arabs are giving free oil to India in the form of investment and remittance while China & USA are selling semiconductor chipsets and technology goods to maintain smooth functioning. Destroying Pakistan will have serious effect on petroleum supply and this is something which India would avoid as of now.


India is waiting for that opportunity. If India starts a war, then India will be blamed for disrupting oil supply for the world. So, India wants Pakistan to start the war. India is ready to give martyrdom to anyone who dreams of it.

India cannot use Chenab river for agriculture, look at map. They can try to build pipelines by declaring war on Pakistan. India cannot even stop 100% of Ravi/Sutlej water.

 

[SIPRA]

See what cow urine does to people .

Yes. It creates hallucinations and delusions.

 

[That Guy]

I didn't say we should reverse the decision of 80 - 20 sharing in India's favor. I said on a 50 - 50 per each with no exclusive rights. You're not even using your share of water despite us paying you for the construction of barrages or dams and people in Jammu and Kashmir do not get enough water for irrigation from Indus because India can't store the water.

India has to support 1.4 billion people and agriculture. We are already a water-stressed country soon we will have to divert Ravi, Beas, and Sutlej completely to use it to the fullest. Pretty sure people living on the other side will have reservations over it.

I'd like a source on your claim that India is paying Pakistan to build dams and barrages.

Also, Pakistan is also experiencing extreme water shortages, and it does utilize as much as its able to.

A 50-50 split, with no exclusivity would guarantee that Pakistan would suffer an even worse water shortage. If not right way, then the near future.