Replacement of Pakistan Army's G-3 Rifles.
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First off SSG's only use M4's in IMPORTANT combat missions. You'll usually see em with Ak-47s, Ak-74s or Ak-101. But still most units in FATA still use G3's and Ak-47s.
Secondly, of course we can. There are guns like the Bushmaster ACR which are suitable for both roles. Finding a gun which can fit both roles will be much easier, cheaper and efficient for the Pakistani Army. The Pakistani army is trained using multiple weapons, using a single gun will be easier for the Army.
Norway is doing a much better job.
They use G3's in Afghanistan and have modified it for unconventional warfare. If we cannot replace the G3 we should still be able to modify and upgrade it.
I havent seen anything like that in the hands of Pakistani Soldiers yet. I live in Sialkot Cantonment, every gun is either a plain ak-74 or a G3.
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Well its relatively new and would come after some timeFirst off SSG's only use M4's in IMPORTANT combat missions. You'll usually see em with Ak-47s, Ak-74s or Ak-101. But still most units in FATA still use G3's and Ak-47s.
Secondly, of course we can. There are guns like the Bushmaster ACR which are suitable for both roles. Finding a gun which can fit both roles will be much easier, cheaper and efficient for the Pakistani Army. The Pakistani army is trained using multiple weapons, using a single gun will be easier for the Army.
Norway is doing a much better job.
They use G3's in Afghanistan and have modified it for unconventional warfare. If we cannot replace the G3 we should still be able to modify and upgrade it.
I havent seen anything like that in the hands of Pakistani Soldiers yet. I live in Sialkot Cantonment, every gun is either a plain ak-74 or a G3.
@Horus Can you take interview of senior Army and ask him about future plans for our maim Gun and weather we would give this new G3M to our soldiers or replace G3 with some new Gun
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The G3 is still a reliable battle rifle and as far as replacing the main battle rifle for an entire army as large as Pakistan, lets just consider how our tendering and trial system works, this is no easy task and will not be an overnight project. I don't expect to see an immediate replacement from G3 to Norinco SMG 7.62 anytime soon.
Britain used the L1A1 variant of the FN FAL till the 1980's when it was replaced with the locally manufactured L85, a weapon notorious for it's troublesome gas parts and flimsy plastic construction. It wasn't until 2002 that 200,000 of the L85 variants were upgraded with H&K receivers and the SUSAT was replaced with modern ACOG CQB sights.
The only problem I see with the G3 is recoil when fired full auto and long barrel size when considering CQB, apart from that as far as battle rifles go, it's not that bad. Just my humble opinion.
Britain used the L1A1 variant of the FN FAL till the 1980's when it was replaced with the locally manufactured L85, a weapon notorious for it's troublesome gas parts and flimsy plastic construction. It wasn't until 2002 that 200,000 of the L85 variants were upgraded with H&K receivers and the SUSAT was replaced with modern ACOG CQB sights.
The only problem I see with the G3 is recoil when fired full auto and long barrel size when considering CQB, apart from that as far as battle rifles go, it's not that bad. Just my humble opinion.
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G3 is heavy, massive recoil, uncomfortably long, and with very compromising range...
Compared to the rifles of modern armies, standard G3 just doesn't hold it...
I don't know why we can't develop a good small arms industry. Very sad state of affairs.
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Pakistan is the biggest Arms exporter in south east Asia,
our arms industry is quite strong,
and what you stated about G 3 is sheer exaggeration,
its only unsuitable for close quarters,
and most soldiers tend to have a much favorable opinion of this weapon,
its wayy better than Type 56
First off SSG's only use M4's in IMPORTANT combat missions. You'll usually see em with Ak-47s, Ak-74s or Ak-101. But still most units in FATA still use G3's and Ak-47s.
Secondly, of course we can. There are guns like the Bushmaster ACR which are suitable for both roles. Finding a gun which can fit both roles will be much easier, cheaper and efficient for the Pakistani Army. The Pakistani army is trained using multiple weapons, using a single gun will be easier for the Army.
Norway is doing a much better job.
They use G3's in Afghanistan and have modified it for unconventional warfare. If we cannot replace the G3 we should still be able to modify and upgrade it.
I havent seen anything like that in the hands of Pakistani Soldiers yet. I live in Sialkot Cantonment, every gun is either a plain ak-74 or a G3.
I live in Rawalpindi and yes Ive seen this variant there,
nowadays i do see regular soldiers holding this weapon,
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lol wut?
Yup. compared to subsaharan Africa may be.
Nope.
What I said is absolutely true.
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At least we can go for Turkish one because they were also using G 3 as their main Gun and now replacing it with new one made in Turkey and obviously it would be a lot better than G3 that is why they are going for it.
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Eurosatory 2014: MKEK delivers first MPT-76 rifles to Turkey
Nicholas de Larrinaga, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 June 2014
MKEK displayed its MPT-76 7.62 mm battle rifle at Eurosatory 2014 Source: Nick de Larrinaga
Turkey's Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation (Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu - MKEK) has completed deliveries of an initial 200 MPT-76 battle rifles to the Turkish Army for testing and evaluation, the company told IHS Jane's at Eurosatory 2014 in Paris, France, on 17 June.
The new 7.62 mm chambered rifle is intended to become the Turkish Armed Forces' new standard infantry weapon, and has been developed under contract from the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (Savunma Sanayii Müstesarligi - SSM) for the Turkish Army, which favours the 7.62 mm NATO round over the smaller 5.56 mm round.
An initial delivery to the Turkish Armed Forces of a first test and evaluation batch of 200 units was completed in June, a company spokesperson told IHS Jane's . This delivery followed on from the completion of design qualification tests at the end of 2013, and the company is expecting to complete production line qualification within the next few months.
Following feedback from the Turkish Armed Forces on the performance of the weapon in testing, the MKEK will modify the design of the rifle and then deliver a further 5,000 units for a second round of more general testing and evaluation across the Turkish Armed Forces. The spokesperson stated he expected the deliveries of the second batch of rifles would occur towards the end of this year.
The Turkish Armed Forces has a potential requirement for as many as 500,000 MPT-76's, principally for the Turkish Army, but also to equip personnel across its other service arms.
A decision on whether to fully adopt the MPT-76 as the Turkish Armed Forces' new service rifle (replacing the H&K G3 and G33) will be made by the Turkish Armed Forces and the Executive Committee (EC) of the SSM. The company is hopeful that a positive decision for full-scale production will be made by the EC in 2015. Currently MKEK has only the capability to produce 15,000 weapons a year, so it may need to expand its production facilities or license production to partners should a full-scale production order be received from Turkey.
Milli Piyade Tüfegi (MPT) means national infantry rifle in Turkish, and the company is keen to flag up that this has been the first automatic weapon that the company has indigenously designed. Although MKEK has long produced weapons for the Turkish Armed Forces, historically they have been created under license from German manufacturer Heckler & Koch (HK).
Like many modern infantry weapons, the MPT-76 is based on the AR-10/15 design, but features a short-stroke gas-piston system similar to that found in the HK417. The rifle does, however, feature several differences to the HK417, with the piston system being designed without a spring and ring, and the rotating bolt features a single ejector to the HK417's two.
The MPT-76 features a 406 mm (16 inches) cold hammer forged barrel free floating with a 1:10 right hand twist. The upper and lower receivers of the weapon are firmed of milled aluminium, with the upper receiver featuring a full-length MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny rail and for the Turkish requirement the weapon is fitted with a distinctive carrying handle and a folding front and rear sight. Rails can also be installed on the bottom and sides of the weapon, which was displayed featuring an integrated angled grip, and a vertical grip / retractable bipod.
The total weapon length is 900 mm (when the 12-point retractable buttstock is in the shortest position) and the weapon weighs 4.18 kg.
Click here for all IHS Jane's Eurosatory content
@AUz @Hakan @Neptune @cabatli_53 @RescueRanger @Bossman @Horus @WebMaster @sandy_3126
This Gun has same caliber which we use
Nicholas de Larrinaga, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 June 2014
MKEK displayed its MPT-76 7.62 mm battle rifle at Eurosatory 2014 Source: Nick de Larrinaga
Turkey's Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation (Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu - MKEK) has completed deliveries of an initial 200 MPT-76 battle rifles to the Turkish Army for testing and evaluation, the company told IHS Jane's at Eurosatory 2014 in Paris, France, on 17 June.
The new 7.62 mm chambered rifle is intended to become the Turkish Armed Forces' new standard infantry weapon, and has been developed under contract from the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (Savunma Sanayii Müstesarligi - SSM) for the Turkish Army, which favours the 7.62 mm NATO round over the smaller 5.56 mm round.
An initial delivery to the Turkish Armed Forces of a first test and evaluation batch of 200 units was completed in June, a company spokesperson told IHS Jane's . This delivery followed on from the completion of design qualification tests at the end of 2013, and the company is expecting to complete production line qualification within the next few months.
Following feedback from the Turkish Armed Forces on the performance of the weapon in testing, the MKEK will modify the design of the rifle and then deliver a further 5,000 units for a second round of more general testing and evaluation across the Turkish Armed Forces. The spokesperson stated he expected the deliveries of the second batch of rifles would occur towards the end of this year.
The Turkish Armed Forces has a potential requirement for as many as 500,000 MPT-76's, principally for the Turkish Army, but also to equip personnel across its other service arms.
A decision on whether to fully adopt the MPT-76 as the Turkish Armed Forces' new service rifle (replacing the H&K G3 and G33) will be made by the Turkish Armed Forces and the Executive Committee (EC) of the SSM. The company is hopeful that a positive decision for full-scale production will be made by the EC in 2015. Currently MKEK has only the capability to produce 15,000 weapons a year, so it may need to expand its production facilities or license production to partners should a full-scale production order be received from Turkey.
Milli Piyade Tüfegi (MPT) means national infantry rifle in Turkish, and the company is keen to flag up that this has been the first automatic weapon that the company has indigenously designed. Although MKEK has long produced weapons for the Turkish Armed Forces, historically they have been created under license from German manufacturer Heckler & Koch (HK).
Like many modern infantry weapons, the MPT-76 is based on the AR-10/15 design, but features a short-stroke gas-piston system similar to that found in the HK417. The rifle does, however, feature several differences to the HK417, with the piston system being designed without a spring and ring, and the rotating bolt features a single ejector to the HK417's two.
The MPT-76 features a 406 mm (16 inches) cold hammer forged barrel free floating with a 1:10 right hand twist. The upper and lower receivers of the weapon are firmed of milled aluminium, with the upper receiver featuring a full-length MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny rail and for the Turkish requirement the weapon is fitted with a distinctive carrying handle and a folding front and rear sight. Rails can also be installed on the bottom and sides of the weapon, which was displayed featuring an integrated angled grip, and a vertical grip / retractable bipod.
The total weapon length is 900 mm (when the 12-point retractable buttstock is in the shortest position) and the weapon weighs 4.18 kg.
Click here for all IHS Jane's Eurosatory content
@AUz @Hakan @Neptune @cabatli_53 @RescueRanger @Bossman @Horus @WebMaster @sandy_3126
This Gun has same caliber which we use
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Eurosatory 2014: MKEK delivers first MPT-76 rifles to Turkey
Nicholas de Larrinaga, Paris - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 June 2014
MKEK displayed its MPT-76 7.62 mm battle rifle at Eurosatory 2014 Source: Nick de Larrinaga
Turkey's Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation (Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu - MKEK) has completed deliveries of an initial 200 MPT-76 battle rifles to the Turkish Army for testing and evaluation, the company told IHS Jane's at Eurosatory 2014 in Paris, France, on 17 June.
The new 7.62 mm chambered rifle is intended to become the Turkish Armed Forces' new standard infantry weapon, and has been developed under contract from the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (Savunma Sanayii Müstesarligi - SSM) for the Turkish Army, which favours the 7.62 mm NATO round over the smaller 5.56 mm round.
An initial delivery to the Turkish Armed Forces of a first test and evaluation batch of 200 units was completed in June, a company spokesperson told IHS Jane's . This delivery followed on from the completion of design qualification tests at the end of 2013, and the company is expecting to complete production line qualification within the next few months.
Following feedback from the Turkish Armed Forces on the performance of the weapon in testing, the MKEK will modify the design of the rifle and then deliver a further 5,000 units for a second round of more general testing and evaluation across the Turkish Armed Forces. The spokesperson stated he expected the deliveries of the second batch of rifles would occur towards the end of this year.
The Turkish Armed Forces has a potential requirement for as many as 500,000 MPT-76's, principally for the Turkish Army, but also to equip personnel across its other service arms.
A decision on whether to fully adopt the MPT-76 as the Turkish Armed Forces' new service rifle (replacing the H&K G3 and G33) will be made by the Turkish Armed Forces and the Executive Committee (EC) of the SSM. The company is hopeful that a positive decision for full-scale production will be made by the EC in 2015. Currently MKEK has only the capability to produce 15,000 weapons a year, so it may need to expand its production facilities or license production to partners should a full-scale production order be received from Turkey.
Milli Piyade Tüfegi (MPT) means national infantry rifle in Turkish, and the company is keen to flag up that this has been the first automatic weapon that the company has indigenously designed. Although MKEK has long produced weapons for the Turkish Armed Forces, historically they have been created under license from German manufacturer Heckler & Koch (HK).
Like many modern infantry weapons, the MPT-76 is based on the AR-10/15 design, but features a short-stroke gas-piston system similar to that found in the HK417. The rifle does, however, feature several differences to the HK417, with the piston system being designed without a spring and ring, and the rotating bolt features a single ejector to the HK417's two.
The MPT-76 features a 406 mm (16 inches) cold hammer forged barrel free floating with a 1:10 right hand twist. The upper and lower receivers of the weapon are firmed of milled aluminium, with the upper receiver featuring a full-length MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny rail and for the Turkish requirement the weapon is fitted with a distinctive carrying handle and a folding front and rear sight. Rails can also be installed on the bottom and sides of the weapon, which was displayed featuring an integrated angled grip, and a vertical grip / retractable bipod.
The total weapon length is 900 mm (when the 12-point retractable buttstock is in the shortest position) and the weapon weighs 4.18 kg.
Click here for all IHS Jane's Eurosatory content
@AUz @Hakan @Neptune @cabatli_53 @RescueRanger @Bossman @Horus @WebMaster @sandy_3126
This Gun has same caliber which we use
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