Remembering the Innocent Victims of Iran Air flight 655

[Rusty]

Admiral Crowe offers his own opinion about this charge in the link I provided.

Why hasn't anybody demanded that the Iranian gov't explain how it allowed a civilian airliner to take off from a shared civilian-military airfield heading almost directly towards a warship in the middle of its battle?

Yawn
everything has already been explained, even documentaries made.
At the end of the day, brown women and children died, so in your Zionist world view it's not even equivalent to one dog dying.
What Hitler started, you zionists perfected.

 

[Arminkh]

No, Saddam was busy fighting the Iranians and we have the Tanker wars. Its well known that the Iraqis thought they were shooting at what they thought was an Iranian warship. Saddam has no reason to start a war attacking American warships which would lead to disaster. Saddam even pay compensation for it. Russia was not a rogue, they just mistaken a civilian airliner as a military aircraft.

Read this. Of course Saddam didn't want to start another war that it couldn't win. But he had his own agenda:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=odQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4312,2272120&hl=en

For Russia, they never accepted that it was them firing the missile. And let's think about it. A military as sophisticated as that of Russia, who knows the standard corridors of airliners and its long range radars can detect any airplane that takes off in Europe, would never mistaken a passenger aircraft with a military one and even if it did, they are logical enough to dispatch one of their fighters to intercept a suspected airplane that was flying in a passenger aircraft corridor just to make sure it is what it is. So I don't buy the accusation. Ukraine itself was an operator of Buk system. So it either fell in the hands of the rebels and the used it or, like the case of Saddam, it was used by current Ukraine government.

 

[Solomon2]

Yawn
everything has already been explained, even documentaries made.

Even when citing facts, explanations may be incorrect due to important omissions of context. Crowe provides that - as well as a put-down of unfounded charges against him.

...brown women and children died, so in your Zionist world view it's not even equivalent to one dog dying.
What Hitler started, you zionists perfected.

Now you're just engaged in unjustifiable smears. Israelis prosecute their own soldier of a crime for killing a combatant when he's down: link. Does any Arab or Muslim country do that? Do they even aspire to that? Obviously Israel treats human lives, even those of its active enemies, very highly. When was the last time you stood up in a mosque and challenged terrorists by decrying, without qualification, their attacks against Israel's Jews?

 

[Oldman1]

Read this. Of course Saddam didn't want to start another war that it couldn't win. But he had his own agenda:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=odQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4312,2272120&hl=en

For Russia, they never accepted that it was them firing the missile. And let's think about it. A military as sophisticated as that of Russia, who knows the standard corridors of airliners and its long range radars can detect any airplane that takes off in Europe, would never mistaken a passenger aircraft with a military one and even if it did, they are logical enough to dispatch one of their fighters to intercept a suspected airplane that was flying in a passenger aircraft corridor just to make sure it is what it is. So I don't buy the accusation. Ukraine itself was an operator of Buk system. So it either fell in the hands of the rebels and the used it or, like the case of Saddam, it was used by current Ukraine government.

Can you include those CIA documents the article mentioned. Otherwise, we just have a title with a question asking did Saddam intentionally ordered the attack?

 

[Rusty]

Even when citing facts, explanations may be incorrect due to important omissions of context. Crowe provides that - as well as a put-down of unfounded charges against him.

Now you're just engaged in unjustifiable smears. Israelis prosecute their own soldier of a crime for killing a combatant when he's down: link. Does any Arab or Muslim country do that? Do they even aspire to that? Obviously Israel treats human lives, even those of its active enemies, very highly. When was the last time you stood up in a mosque and challenged terrorists by decrying, without qualification, their attacks against Israel's Jews?

yes yes, we get it. when brown babies dies, it must be their fault.
Not interested in talking to someone who doesn't even consider brown people to be human.

And I will decry the attacks on Israeli Jews when you acknowledge the ethnic cleansing of Palestine to turn it into Israel.

 

[Arminkh]

Can you include those CIA documents the article mentioned. Otherwise, we just have a title with a question asking did Saddam intentionally ordered the attack?

Lol! That's a funny question. If you as a US citizen don't have it, how could I, an Iranian, have it? And I don't think they would ever publish that as then they need to answer to veterans like yourself as of why they didn't punish the killer of 37 US sailors.

The fact that Saddam wasn't the most trustworthy man in the world aside. Don't you find it strange that none of Iran's navy vessels were ever hit by an Exocet missile fired from an Iraqi jet fighter? We were the ones fighting them and yet your ship was hit. The reason is: eversince Iran's navy wiped out Iraq's navy in the first few weeks of the war, Iran never saw any benefit in using its heavy vessels. Iran used its fast attack boats for tanker wars as it knew its warships were vulnerable to air attacks and new anti-naval warfare. It was also too short on surface to surface missiles because of US embargo. So its frigates were useless in a naval war.

Iraq knew that very well too and I need to remind you none of naval vessels in Iran's possession had an RCS as large as that of USS stark.

And, it is not the first time that someone shoots at US vessels "by mistake" (or as a matter of fact intentionally) and gets away with it. It's know fact that Israel intentionally attacked USS Liberty during the Israeli-Arab wars.

 

[Solomon2]

yes yes, we get it. when brown babies dies, it must be their fault.

Only to a many who views the world through racism-tinted glasses.

...I will decry the attacks on Israeli Jews when you acknowledge the ethnic cleansing of Palestine to turn it into Israel.

I don't negotiate objective facts with anybody. Israel remains 20%+ Arab. The surrounding Arab countries, by contrast, have been ethnically cleansed of Jews. Did you ever ask yourself if what happened to the Arab refugees in '48 was justly deserved? Or if what happened to the Jews in the rest of the middle east was not deserved? I doubt it, because to you justice is a matter of skin color, not a person's or people's deeds in context. So why aren't you ashamed?

 

[MarkusS]

tragic but such things happen.

Italy too shot down an civilian aircraft by accident and never acknowledged it. Such things happen.

 

[Oldman1]

Lol! That's a funny question. If you as a US citizen don't have it, how could I, an Iranian, have it? And I don't think they would ever publish that as then they need to answer to veterans like yourself as of why they didn't punish the killer of 37 US sailors.

The fact that Saddam wasn't the most trustworthy man in the world aside. Don't you find it strange that none of Iran's navy vessels were ever hit by an Exocet missile fired from an Iraqi jet fighter? We were the ones fighting them and yet your ship was hit. The reason is: eversince Iran's navy wiped out Iraq's navy in the first few weeks of the war, Iran never saw any benefit in using its heavy vessels. Iran used its fast attack boats for tanker wars as it knew its warships were vulnerable to air attacks and new anti-naval warfare. It was also too short on surface to surface missiles because of US embargo. So its frigates were useless in a naval war.

Iraq knew that very well too and I need to remind you none of naval vessels in Iran's possession had an RCS as large as that of USS stark.

And, it is not the first time that someone shoots at US vessels "by mistake" (or as a matter of fact intentionally) and gets away with it. It's know fact that Israel intentionally attacked USS Liberty during the Israeli-Arab wars.

Thats funny since this newspaper has access to such CIA documents and talks about Saddam with tales and rumors they literally included those words in the article. Sure Saddam was not the most trustworthy man in the world. But considered the fact that Iran also hit our ships as well with mines, unless it was Iran's mistake and just want to hit the tankers.

You telling me that Iran doesn't have ships big as the USS Stark around there?

 

[Rusty]

Only to a many who views the world through racism-tinted glasses.

I don't negotiate objective facts with anybody. Israel remains 20%+ Arab. The surrounding Arab countries, by contrast, have been ethnically cleansed of Jews. Did you ever ask yourself if what happened to the Arab refugees in '48 was justly deserved? Or if what happened to the Jews in the rest of the middle east was not deserved? I doubt it, because to you justice is a matter of skin color, not a person's or people's deeds in context. So why aren't you ashamed?

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.....
Brown babies died, and you want to blame them for their own deaths. Okay we get it, they are not worth one dog even to you.

And blah blah blah
You said you wanted me to decry Isrealie Jew death, I am telling you right now and here I will do what you want. But you need to acknowledge and decry the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland.

you are just changing the goalpost to further you racist points of how brown people are bad.

I am really glad I don't know you in person, or I would be terrified of you trying to take my home. After all, it all belongs to you white right!

 

[Solomon2]

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.....
Brown babies died, and you want to blame them for their own deaths. Okay we get it, they are not worth one dog even to you.

Nobody said the fault was exclusive to one party or another. The U.S. paid compensation of more than $200K per victim.

You said you wanted me to decry Isrealie Jew death, I am telling you right now and here I will do what you want. But you need to acknowledge and decry the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland.

Of course you're not "doing what I want" since you want to negotiate what is acknowledged as truth, rather than recognize the existence of objective facts.

I am really glad I don't know you in person, or I would be terrified of you trying to take -

That's not the real reason you find me "terrifying", is it? It's because I represent a standard of law and conduct that you do not. Every criminal fears the moralist.

 

[Rusty]

Nobody said the fault was exclusive to one party or another. The U.S. paid compensation of more than $200K per victim.

Of course you're not "doing what I want" since you want to negotiate what is acknowledged as truth, rather than recognize the existence of objective facts.

That's not the real reason you find me "terrifying", is it? It's because I represent a standard of law and conduct that you do not. Every criminal fears the moralist.

The price of a brown baby is $200K? cool, that means you can ( and have) kill so many more.

Oscar already ripped you a new one in the other thread, no one here is as delusional as you.
Since you can't seem to even comprehend the fact that the Palestinians were forced off their land. But why would you, humans don't think about driving animals off land, they are animals after all.... just like how your world view sees browns as basically animals

After seeing your "Law and conduct" in action against the aboriginal and indigenous peoples of the world, you can keep that all to yourself. Since it almost always leads to ethnic cleansing of the lands you apply that law to.

Solomon, I know you believe in "white is right" but even you have to at some point say to yourself "how many more people do we need to ethnically cleanse?"
Just stop man, 3 continents of ethnic cleansing is enough, white people don't need more land.

 

[Arminkh]

Thats funny since this newspaper has access to such CIA documents and talks about Saddam with tales and rumors they literally included those words in the article. Sure Saddam was not the most trustworthy man in the world. But considered the fact that Iran also hit our ships as well with mines, unless it was Iran's mistake and just want to hit the tankers.

You telling me that Iran doesn't have ships big as the USS Stark around there?

No USS Stark displacement is 4200 tons. Iran's Sahand class that was destroyed in Praying mantis operation and one of the two biggest frigates of Iran was only 1500 tons and almost 60% the length of USS Stark. And it was docked at port and only started sailing after US navy attacked Iran's oil platforms. As I mentioned, due to lack of ammunition, there were no use for those frigates.

 

[Malik Alashter]

R.I.P the victims it's too late but that's the least.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Admiral Crowe offers his own opinion about this charge in the link I provided.

Why hasn't anybody demanded that the Iranian gov't explain how it allowed a civilian airliner to take off from a shared civilian-military airfield heading almost directly towards a warship in the middle of its battle?

The warship was not supposed to be there.
The flight was a routine flight . And in Persian gulf its impossible to fly and not to pass over a warship.
And there was no battle at all.in the area .