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Remembering the Innocent Victims of Iran Air flight 655

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On July 3, 1988, Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was shot down by USS Vincennes which led to the loss of life of 290 innocent civilian from six nations including 66 children. There were 38 non-Iranians aboard.


Flight 655, as a commercial flight, operated by Iran Air that flew on a Tehran-Bandar Abbas-Dubai route. While flying in Iranian airspace over Iran’s territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path, it was destroyed by the guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes.

This attack ranks tenth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus aircraft anywhere in the world.


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According to the United States Government, the crew mistakenly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter. Contributing to the error was the fact that the aircraft did not respond to several inquiries to change course and did not identify itself clearly as civilian. The Iranian government maintains that Vincennes neglectfully shot down the civilian aircraft. The event produced a great deal of dispute and criticism of the United States. Several analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of Vincennes for irresponsible and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment. The airliner was transmitting an identification friend or foe code for a civilian aircraft, but Captain William C. Rogers III in an interview insisted that he believed the code alone did not mean the aircraft was non-hostile. Captain Rogers described the attack as a self-defense measure to save his ship and the lives of the crew.



While issuing notes of regret over the loss of human life, the U.S. government has, thus far, neither admitted any wrongdoing or responsibility in this disaster, nor apologized, but continues to blame Iranian hostile actions for the event. The crew of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action.

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Commander William C. Rogers


More than two decades later, the attack continues to pervade Iranian social psychology and fuel the strategic thinking of its military leadership. Many Iranians remember the event with a bitter sense of vulnerability. A foreign government, the United States, which was not in war with them, used brutal and lethal force against Iranian civilians.


For those with a longer memory span, it’s hard to dismiss some of these concerns especially when you recall that the irresponsible behavior of the USS Vincennes commanding officer earned him the Legion of Merits, “a military decoration of the United States armed forces that is awarded for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding services and achievements.” For many Iranians, this is utterly incomprehensible.

 
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American claim that they tried to contact the airplane but they received no answer ,but incidentally they fail to mention in all those contacts they hailed flight 655 as "Unidentified aircraft...You are approaching a United States naval warship in international waters." (sad is nor flight 655 was not Unidentified as its transponder at the time was on and clearly shown which flight it was neither it was in international water as it was in Iranian water ) and then mentioned wrong speed and altitude in their radio
interesting part is that after that they contacted flight 655 as "Iranian fighter...you are steering into danger and are subject to United States naval defensive measures.". honestly it cant be more ridiculous that you call on open channel and talk about military airplane and then expect civilian one answer you.
and 7 time they contacted on radio channels reserved for military use which was impossible for flight 655 to monitor and 3 time on civilian channel but mentioned the wrong info and sadly the civilian channel is directed to any one if you mention wrong info in it its impossible to know its directed at you and they totally failed to try contact the flight on air traffic channel.
 
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American claim that they tried to contact the airplane but they received no answer ,but incidentally they fail to mention in all those contacts they hailed flight 655 as "Unidentified aircraft...You are approaching a United States naval warship in international waters." (sad is nor flight 655 was not Unidentified as its transponder at the time was on and clearly shown which flight it was neither it was in international water as it was in Iranian water ) and then mentioned wrong speed and altitude in their radio
interesting part is that after that they contacted flight 655 as "Iranian fighter...you are steering into danger and are subject to United States naval defensive measures.". honestly it cant be more ridiculous that you call on open channel and talk about military airplane and then expect civilian one answer you.
and 7 time they contacted on radio channels reserved for military use which was impossible for flight 655 to monitor and 3 time on civilian channel but mentioned the wrong info and sadly the civilian channel is directed to any one if you mention wrong info in it its impossible to know its directed at you and they totally failed to try contact the flight on air traffic channel.

Contact whom? the Vincennes was indeed in Iran territorial waters as flight 655 was in Iran air space and was in its air corridor .. how on Earth you can mistake an airline passenger in size of A-300 by fighter jet like F-14?
 
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There was a documentary which I cannot find right now. It was from the BBC I think. They asked the US for a freedom of information request on the search for the black box, which was supposedly never found.

When they got the declassified report, every single line was blacked out. All of it.
 
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It is a sad story indeed. Iran deserves better than what it has got after the revolution. Clergy and power are deadly combination. The people of Iran never had to be in a conflict with a big portion of the world in order to get nothing in return.
 
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It is a sad story indeed. Iran deserves better than what it has got after the revolution. Clergy and power are deadly combination. The people of Iran never had to be in a conflict with a big portion of the world in order to get nothing in return.

This incident has got nothing to do with that directly, don't spit in the face of the victims and act as if it's Iran's fault, this is 100% America's fault.
 
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It is a sad story indeed. Iran deserves better than what it has got after the revolution. Clergy and power are deadly combination. The people of Iran never had to be in a conflict with a big portion of the world in order to get nothing in return.

Go jump into a ditch. You are insulting the memories of 290 people, you pathetic moron.

@Serpentine can we please get this worthless troll banned from our section? He contributes but trolling.

shit happens. fog of war. tensions were high after Operation Praying Mantis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis


let's be thankful such an incident hasn't happened since.

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If Iran did the same, the US would launch full scale war.

Disgusting, and Americans wonder why the world despises their country. They need to pull their socks up.

I saw a documentary from National Geographic which said that Iranian F14 cross the air space just moments earlier and the radar was still locked on the F14 transponder..and the captain of the ship decided to launch the SAM without visual identification of the target..leading to downing of the passenger airliner..

 
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shit happens. fog of war. tensions were high after Operation Praying Mantis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis


let's be thankful such an incident hasn't happened since.
let say what happened then Americans tried to lure Iranian boats into international water by faking an Liberian tanker when Iran didn't answer to that fake call , USS Vincennes answered to the call and come to the area to save that nonexistent fake Liberian tanker which was supposedly under fire by non existent IRGC boats they didn't find any thing so against the direct order of 5th fleet command in Bahrain they sent a helicopter into the area and the Iranian water and even that helicopter against the USA navy rule of engagement didn't obey the distance between Iran boats in the area and fly directly over them and after receiving warning shots that ware at least 100m away from the helicopters they erroneously reported back to vincense that they are under fire from Airdefense gun in IRGC boats .
(and for the record its a typical IRGC boat at the time
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so Vincense instead of ordering its helicopter back and go to the place that they were ordered to begin with moved deeper into Iranian water and begin shelling the boats which incidentally all of thee shells missed and the incident was so comic that the commander of the nearest US ships in area said why the hell they need an AEGIS cruiser to fire at those boats.

then the tragedy happened they fired on flight 655 while every other single ship in area clearly determined that is an civilian airplane , and even vincense own recording showed that the airplane was ascending and and its speed was not increasing and then the vincense tried to contact the airplane on military channel which was impossible.and when they taught to contact them on civilian channel they said "Iranian fighter...you are steering into danger and are subject to United States naval defensive measures." for god's sake which civilian airplane which clearly transmitting that they are civilian while they are traveling in international flight corridor would have answered that call that may have come from 500km away as there was no Iranian military air plane in the vicinity . more importantly they were in iranian airspace and USS Vincennes stated in international water.
if someone wanted to be not biased would agree the incident was completely suspicious as even USS Vincennes own recording shows there was nothing strange about that flight and every single thing pointed toward a civilian airline that were steadily ascending . someone ask what made them panic ? the absences of any military or threatening action of Iranian side in the area.

I saw a documentary from National Geographic which said that Iranian F14 cross the air space just moments earlier and the radar was still locked on the F14 transponder..and the captain of the ship decided to launch the SAM without visual identification of the target..leading to downing of the passenger airliner..

That fake documentary to appease their conciseness .
there was no Iranian F-14 at the area as if there was it was certain USA Navy would flew two of their own F-14.
about half an hour ago there was a P3 Orion in the area that at the time of attack was sitting on Bandar Abbas airway.
so that claim is nonsense and they failed to mention Iran recieved F-14 in only Air to Air combat configuration and the USS Vincennes had no reason to even be worried as it never ever painted by any radar.also they failed to mention if even it was an F-14 they had no reason to open fire on it as it was ascending and was in Iranian area and never targeted them.
 
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That fake documentary to appease their conciseness .
there was no Iranian F-14 at the area as if there was it was certain USA Navy would flew two of their own F-14.
about half an hour ago there was a P3 Orion in the area that at the time of attack was sitting on Bandar Abbas airway.
so that claim is nonsense and they failed to mention Iran recieved F-14 in only Air to Air combat configuration and the USS Vincennes had no reason to even be worried as it never ever painted by any radar.also they failed to mention if even it was an F-14 they had no reason to open fire on it as it was ascending and was in Iranian area and never targeted them.

It could be to a deliberate act to start hostilities..since the Americans are experts of cover up..the captain Will Rogers received a lot of medals for this action..so there is little to discount the theory that the move wasn't at-least backed by some tactical understanding of seniors..Some have speculated it to be the revenge of hostage crisis. Or to take the tanker war into the air..means Iranians would retaliate by downing some Arab civilian air lines particularly that of Iraq..and it would set a sickening change of events..but I doubt..the Ayatollahs were driven by ISIS and Alqaida type tactics to attack and down civilian airlines in their tit for tat against each other..


It was a very well made honey pot trap just the foresight of iranian government protected it from falling into one..

On April 20, 1978, Soviet air defense shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 902 (KAL 902) near Murmansk, Soviet Union, after the civilian aircraft violated Soviet airspace and failed to respond to Soviet ground control and interceptors.[1][2] Soviet Air Defence Forces initially identified it as part of the US air reconnaissance force, which carried out thousands of flights along Soviet borders annually at the time. Captain Alexander Bosov, pilot of the Sukhoi Su-15 that brought down Flight 902, saw Asian logogram characters on the tail of the Korean aircraft, and reported this to the ground control. Despite this, Vladimir Tsarkov, commander of the 21st Soviet Air Defense Corps, ordered Bosov to take down the plane, as the plane failed to respond to repeated orders to land, and was approaching the Soviet border with Finland. The Su-15 opened fire, forcing the plane to descend, and killing two of the 109 passengers and crew members aboard Flight 902. The plane made an emergency landing on the frozen Korpiyarvi lake (not to be confused with the Korpijärvi lake) near the Finnish border.[3]
 
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shit happens. fog of war. tensions were high after Operation Praying Mantis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis


let's be thankful such an incident hasn't happened since.

It's how Ronald Reagan Address to the Nation when Korean air lines "flight 007" was shot down by the Soviet Union back in 1983 :

I'm coming before you tonight about the Korean airline massacre, the attack by the Soviet Union against 269 innocent men, women, and children aboard an unarmed Korean passenger plane. This crime against humanity must never be forgotten, here or throughout the world.

Let me state as plainly as I can: There was absolutely no justification, either legal or moral, for what the Soviets did. One newspaper in India said, ``If every passenger plane . . . is fair game for home air forces . . . it will be the end to civil aviation as we know it.''

But despite the savagery of their crime, the universal reaction against it, and the evidence of their complicity, the Soviets still refuse to tell the truth. They have persistently refused to admit that their pilot fired on the Korean aircraft. Indeed, they've not even told their own people that a plane was shot down.

The 747 is equipped with the most modern computerized navigation facilities, but a computer must respond to input provided by human hands. No one will ever know whether a mistake was made in giving the computer the course or whether there was a malfunction. Whichever, the 747 was flying a course further to the west than it was supposed to fly -- a course which took it into Soviet airspace.

The Soviets tracked this plane for 2\1/2\ hours while it flew a straight-line course at 30 to 35,000 feet. Only civilian airliners fly in such a manner. At one point, the Korean pilot gave Japanese air control his position as east of Hokkaido, Japan, showing that he was unaware they were off course by as much or more than a hundred miles.

And make no mistake about it, this attack was not just against ourselves or the Republic of Korea. This was the Soviet Union against the world and the moral precepts which guide human relations among people everywhere. It was an act of barbarism, born of a society which wantonly disregards individual rights and the value of human life and seeks constantly to expand and dominate other nations.

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As you see Reagan clearly saying the 747 was flying within the Soviet airspace and they tracked it for 2.5 hours ...and then they shot it down .... and that's why Soviet union deserved to be called : barbarian, savage , their crime against humanity and ....

On Iran 655 airbus case , unlike Korean flight it was flying within Iran air space in its international flight corridor and again unlike Soviet union interceptor which was in the Soviet union air space , USS Vincennes was in Iran territorial waters ...
And instead of hearing inflammatory speech from Reagan about the cruelty of this incident the commander and all crew received medals for their actions .... no apology ....



 
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