Refuting feminist Western propaganda and perception of the realities of Saudi Arabian women

[XenoEnsi-14]

Another one is Queen of Sheba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba

She was ethnically Ethiopian, and didn't have hairy legs or hooves for feet. Wait, was that the Jews or Arabs that said that?

Anyways, all the men (single and married) were jealous and smitten by her Divine Beauty, and made up all kinds of myths. That's 110% True and Factual.

@Saif al-Arab Bro stop explaining anything to any one feminists and west can go to hell. We have Islamic laws and we would follow this world accept us or not is not our concern. We would keep working to please ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW not west and this delusional and dumb feminists.

Maybe he likes rubbing salt on the wound. I say he should continue. Plus, keeping people in the dark and ignorant of your ways is un-Islamic.

 

[Naif al Hilali]

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Anyways, all the men (single and married) were jealous and smitten by her Divine Beauty, and made up all kinds of myths. That's 110% True and Factual...

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

We know from scripture that she was wise, just, consulted the elders of her realm, and was loved by her people. This was the beauty bestowed upon her by the Divine

After she accepted the Abrahamic religion and married our King and Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), she became the mother of all faithful. So, please be respectful of her status. Just a request, not picking a fight.

Regards

 

[Saif al-Arab]

She was ethnically Ethiopian, and didn't have hairy legs or hooves for feet. Wait, was that the Jews or Arabs that said that?

Anyways, all the men (single and married) were jealous and smitten by her Divine Beauty, and made up all kinds of myths. That's 110% True and Factual.


Maybe he likes rubbing salt on the wound. I say he should continue. Plus, keeping people in the dark and ignorant of your ways is un-Islamic.

Sorry, but Queen of Sheba was a Yemeni/Arabian queen. Even her name is Arabian/Semitic.

"There is agreement among scholars that Sheba refers to the South Arabian kingdom of Saba, which is located in present-day Yemen. The Queen’s visit to Jerusalem may have been a trade visit, as it was common to trade spices by horse and camel around the 9 th and 10 th centuries B.C."

http://www.ancient-origins.net/hist...heba-and-her-iconic-visit-king-solomon-002547

Virtually all modern scholars agree that Sheba was the South Arabian kingdom of Saba, centered around the oasis of Marib, in present-day Yemen. Sheba was quite known in the classical world, and its country was called Arabia Felix.[7] Around the middle of the first millennium B.C., there were Sabaeans also in the Horn of Africa, in the area that later became the realm of Aksum.[9]There are five places in the Bible where the writer distinguishes Sheba (שׁבא), i. e. the Yemenite Sabaeans, from Seba (סבא), i. e. the African Sabaeans. In Ps. 72:10 they are mentioned together: "the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts".[10] This spelling differentiation, however, may be purely factitious; the indigenous inscriptions make no such difference, and both Yemenite and African Sabaeans are there spelt in exactly the same way.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba

















I am simply disproving radical Western feminism that aims at portraying Saudi Arabian women as some kind of lifeless organisms that have no place or say in society just because of 1 or 2-3 laws. I think I did a good job of this.

Besides basically Saudi Arabian women/Arab women as a whole are ruling/controlling most households.

I was referring to the full veil thing, a niqab ? Anyway, I agree that the western left, at least in it's current iteration as the regressive left (3rd wave feminism and normalizing transsexuals etc), is much worse than their right.

KSA style strict Islamic conservatism, however, is no bastion against the western regressive left, those two exist in two totally different worlds. I think the KSA could do with a bit of feminism, tbh, not this 3rd wave lunacy, but the idea of equal rights and women empowerment, traditional feminism, the good stuff. You seem to suggest that it's happening slowly already, so good on KSA for that.

The most conservative dress is a niqab indeed but no burqa is worn anywhere in the Arab world simply because it has no tradition there. It is worn mostly in Afghanistan and surrounding areas. By far most Arab women wear a hijab.

Islamic conservatism is by default against Western radical feminism that tries to undermine the traditional role of both sexes. That tries to put in place laws that are against human nature and common sense.

I already wrote that I find the 26 year old ban on women to be ridiculous and it has nothing to do with religion but social concerns. Besides there is actually some sense in that law, believe it or not, because the road safety in KSA is absolutely atrocious and travel distances are huge in KSA. In a very tightly-knitted, private and family-orientated culture this poses challenges. Especially for young women, not so much older women although I would fear for them too given the appalling road safety.

But this whole propaganda or fantasy of Saudi Arabian women living like female counterparts under Taliban and ISIS is simply some of the most ridiculous nonsense that I have ever encountered. See post 1, 2 and 12.

@Saif al-Arab Bro stop explaining anything to any one feminists and west can go to hell. We have Islamic laws and we would follow this world accept us or not is not our concern. We would keep working to please ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW not west and this delusional and dumb feminists.

The whole world knows this but unfortunately many rednecks, especially of late, believe a lot of lies that are being propagandize not only against KSA but the entire Arab and Muslim world. Including on this very forum. Therefore threads such as those are needed from time to time. I personally have no interest to convince non-Muslims or foreigners of anything. I just put forward the data to disprove their lies.

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

We know from scripture that she was wise, just, consulted the elders of her realm, and was loved by her people. This was the beauty bestowed upon her by the Divine

After she accepted the Abrahamic religion and married our King and Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), she became the mother of all faithful. So, please be respectful of her status. Just a request, not picking a fight.

Regards

Bro, may I ask the reason for your name? Do you have ties to Banu Hilal?

 

[Zarvan]

Sorry, but Queen of Sheba was a Yemeni/Arabian queen. Even her name is Arabian/Semitic.

"There is agreement among scholars that Sheba refers to the South Arabian kingdom of Saba, which is located in present-day Yemen. The Queen’s visit to Jerusalem may have been a trade visit, as it was common to trade spices by horse and camel around the 9 th and 10 th centuries B.C."

http://www.ancient-origins.net/hist...heba-and-her-iconic-visit-king-solomon-002547

Virtually all modern scholars agree that Sheba was the South Arabian kingdom of Saba, centered around the oasis of Marib, in present-day Yemen. Sheba was quite known in the classical world, and its country was called Arabia Felix.[7] Around the middle of the first millennium B.C., there were Sabaeans also in the Horn of Africa, in the area that later became the realm of Aksum.[9]There are five places in the Bible where the writer distinguishes Sheba (שׁבא), i. e. the Yemenite Sabaeans, from Seba (סבא), i. e. the African Sabaeans. In Ps. 72:10 they are mentioned together: "the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts".[10] This spelling differentiation, however, may be purely factitious; the indigenous inscriptions make no such difference, and both Yemenite and African Sabaeans are there spelt in exactly the same way.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba

















I am simply disproving radical Western feminism that aims at portraying Saudi Arabian women as some kind of lifeless organisms that have no place or say in society just because of 1 or 2-3 laws. I think I did a good job of this.

Besides basically Saudi Arabian women/Arab women as a whole are ruling/controlling most households.



The most conservative dress is a niqab indeed but no burqa is worn anywhere in the Arab world simply because it has no tradition there. It is worn mostly in Afghanistan and surrounding areas. By far most Arab women wear a hijab.

Islamic conservatism is by default against Western radical feminism that tries to undermine the traditional role of both sexes. That tries to put in place laws that are against human nature and common sense.

I already wrote that I find the 26 year old ban on women to be ridiculous and it has nothing to do with religion but social concerns. Besides there is actually some sense in that law, believe it or not, because the road safety in KSA is absolutely atrocious and travel distances are huge in KSA. In a very tightly-knitted, private and family-orientated culture this poses challenges. Especially for young women, not so much older women although I would fear for them too given the appalling road safety.

But this whole propaganda or fantasy of Saudi Arabian women living like female counterparts under Taliban and ISIS is simply some of the most ridiculous nonsense that I have ever encountered. See post 1, 2 and 12.



The whole world knows this but unfortunately many rednecks, especially of late, believe a lot of lies that are being propagandize not only against KSA but the entire Arab and Muslim world. Including on this very forum. Therefore threads such as those are needed from time to time. I personally have no interest to convince non-Muslims or foreigners of anything. I just put forward the data to disprove their lies.

Only those hypocrites in Muslim world fall for these who in reality are Atheists. They have betrayed ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW so you can't expect anything good from them. So stop being concern what west or these delusional feminists or liberals in Muslim world has to say. They are part of same kufr about which ALLAH clearly said in Quran they would never be your friends and would only accept you when you leave Islam and that is not going to happen so stop seeking approval of west and feminists and liberals just seek approval of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Only those hypocrites in Muslim world fall for these who in reality are Atheists. They have betrayed ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW so you can't expect anything good from them. So stop being concern what west or these delusional feminists or liberals in Muslim world has to say. They are part of same kufr about which ALLAH clearly said in Quran they would never be your friends and would only accept you when you leave Islam and that is not going to happen so stop seeking approval of west and feminists and liberals just seek approval of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW.

They are confused souls but the purpose of this thread was to provide facts that disprove their many lies, harsh and deliberate propaganda aimed at destroying sane and logical Islamic principles that work very well. Also to spread radical feminism and turn people into fake copies of the West. Believe me, it will not succeed.

Unfortunately they have many cheerleaders among Muslims of late which I find hard to believe. Those Muslims are essentially against their own religion and culture. Two things that they know very little about in general. They make all kind of excuses in order for us to copy the West on all fronts. Pathetic and spineless people.

 

[Mugwop]

A lot of Indians will still go to Saudi Arabia for cheap labor.

This is the number 1 problem I have with the middle east allowing these sadists in their country.
The guy you quoted is probably gonna say only "keralis,biharis and indian muslims go to KSA and UAE"
The Arabian people should throw these sadists out of their country

 

[Saif al-Arab]

This is the number 1 problem I have with the middle east allowing these sadists in their country.
The guy you quoted is probably gonna say only "keralis,biharis and indian muslims go to KSA and UAE"
The Arabian people should throw these sadists out of their country

I personally would rather welcome fellow poor Arabs for instance but the reality is what it is. The Indian community in the GCC is mostly Muslim and those who are not are overall good people. There is little problem with them. Has to be said. However we should welcome everyone as this is how we have always been and this is also true to our culture and traditions. We must not discriminate based on race. I believe in giving citizenship to all non-Saudi Arabians/Arabs who have been born in KSA, who speak Arabic, know about its history, culture and who wants to identify as Saudi Arabians and stay. They should all be given citizenship.

Anyway such people like that person do not know what they are blabbering about as you can see.

 

[Attila the Hun]

This is the number 1 problem I have with the middle east allowing these sadists in their country.
The guy you quoted is probably gonna say only "keralis,biharis and indian muslims go to KSA and UAE"
The Arabian people should throw these sadists out of their country

I agree. Arabs need to kick them out, before they cause trouble.

Also, what/who are keralis and biharis?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

western feminists are pro burka, it's the right wing which has a problem with it.

Western feminists are pro choice.
I.E. noone should interfere with whatever dress they want to wear.

 

[Soumitra]

The more I discus with your likes (from all across the world) the more I realize that you are the intolerant party here by not understanding that this globalist crusade is not appreciate or followed by everyone. Internal affairs of countries should not bother others unless they are of a grave nature. None of which is the case in KSA. Therefore you must understand that changes will arrive automatically when the society becomes ready and now whenever some feminist cries on her blog or as you do on this forum.

We have no problem as long as it is your internal affairs. But when Saudi Petro Dollars is used to spread this extremist Salafi/Wahabi Islam in our country then it is a problem. Nowadays in some pockets of Kerala these customs have started appearing and we are worried about their spread. We feel that in a plularist society like India such activiites are not required.

Just like you fear the spread of western values we fear the spread of Wahabism

A lot of Indians will still go to Saudi Arabia for cheap labor.

This is the number 1 problem I have with the middle east allowing these sadists in their country.
The guy you quoted is probably gonna say only "keralis,biharis and indian muslims go to KSA and UAE"

Yes it is true that I would say that Keralites and Indian Muslims go to Saudi Arabia and it is a fact. I was referring to my own position and not any other Indians. I personally will not go to Saudi Arabia with my wife because I and my wife will never be able to follow the rules (which we consider restrictive) If someone else goes and is comfortable in following the fules let them go. No one is stopping them

 

[Saif al-Arab]

We have no problem as long as it is your internal affairs. But when Saudi Petro Dollars is used to spread this extremist Salafi/Wahabi Islam in our country then it is a problem. Nowadays in some pockets of Kerala these customs have started appearing and we are worried about their spread. We feel that in a plularist society like India such activiites are not required.

Just like you fear the spread of western values we fear the spread of Wahabism

There is nothing called "Wahhabism" and what you call as "extremist" is purely Islam and Islamic practices. That is your problem. Besides if people adopt Islam in Kerala this is their choice and you cannot stop them. People across the world from all continents, races and social classes adopt Islam or what you call "Wahhabism". This spread cannot be stopped.

I do not "fear" the spread of Western values at all. There is nothing to fear about MODERN-day Western culture and many of its absurdities that ironically are destroying traditional Europe. They are on the course to destroy themselves exactly due to destroying their own traditional culture and values. They will be like everyone else eventually however we are steadfast in resisting this absurdity.

 

[Attila the Hun]

We have no problem as long as it is your internal affairs. But when Saudi Petro Dollars is used to spread this extremist Salafi/Wahabi Islam in our country then it is a problem. Nowadays in some pockets of Kerala these customs have started appearing and we are worried about their spread. We feel that in a plularist society like India such activiites are not required.

Just like you fear the spread of western values we fear the spread of Wahabism





Yes it is true that I would say that Keralites and Indian Muslims go to Saudi Arabia and it is a fact. I was referring to my own position and not any other Indians. I personally will not go to Saudi Arabia with my wife because I and my wife will never be able to follow the rules (which we consider restrictive) If someone else goes and is comfortable in following the fules let them go. No one is stopping them

Good for you. I don't know why you feel the need to tell us?

 

[Soumitra]

There is nothing called "Wahhabism" and what you call as "extremist" is purely Islam and Islamic practices. That is your problem. Besides if people adopt Islam in Kerala this is their choice and you cannot stop them. People across the world from all continents, races and social classes adopt Islam or what you call "Wahhabism". This spread cannot be stopped.

I do not "fear" the spread of Western values at all. There is nothing to fear about MODERN-day Western culture and many of its absurdities that ironically are destroying traditional Europe. They are on the curse to destroy themselves exactly due to destroying their own traditional culture and values. They will be like everyone else eventually however we are steadfast in resisting this absurdity.

We consider Wahabism and moderate Islam as different. There are 180 Million muslims in India which is 6 times your population. Very few follow Wahabi Islam. Majority follow moderate version of Islam.

You may consider Islam as one but we want to clearly differentiate between moderate and extremist Islam

What you consider "destruction" of traditional western values is nothing but adaptation to modern times

 

[SrNair]

This is the number 1 problem I have with the middle east allowing these sadists in their country.
The guy you quoted is probably gonna say only "keralis,biharis and indian muslims go to KSA and UAE"
The Arabian people should throw these sadists out of their country

AFAIK some GCC nations banned Pakistanis from their land .
GCC and India needs each other and their relationship are very important for both party.
India is the main customer of crude from GCC and our trade relation with them is more than 200biliion$.
India buys 80%of the gas from Qatar .
So this is important .

On topic:Why should the OP cares about what some foreigners says about you ?
You should proudly follow your tradition .
You dont need some good certificates from some western nations .Just ignore them.

This is the number 1 problem I have with the middle east allowing these sadists in their country.
The guy you quoted is probably gonna say only "keralis,biharis and indian muslims go to KSA and UAE"
The Arabian people should throw these sadists out of their country

Its not Keralis but keralites

 

[Saif al-Arab]

We consider Wahabism and moderate Islam as different. There are 180 Million muslims in India which is 6 times your population. Very few follow Wahabi Islam. Majority follow moderate version of Islam.

You may consider Islam as one but we want to clearly differentiate between moderate and extremist Islam

Well, I have never met anyone who considers himself to be an "Wahhabi" so I am afraid that I do not know what you are speaking about. As far as "moderate", "secular" (lol), "conservative" etc. Islam I do not know of such things either. There is only one Islam which is the Islam that bases itself on the Noble Qur'an and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saws).

There is no difference between Muslim Indians other than small theological differences and differences in clothing. Overall largely irrelevant issues.

Besides KSA is the CRADLE of Islam and is home to ALL Islamic sects INDIGENOUSLY. There is nothing called "Saudi Islam". You really need to educate yourself and stop parroting Western nonsense.

I am a Shafi'i Muslim with a family history of sufism etc. So get off your high horse.

Besides this thread has nothing to do with whatever occurs in Kerala which has likely nothing to do with KSA.