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Politely said you have to understand how to synthesize cross cultural comparisons, which is what this did. I am sorry you do not understand this fact.

Is it fair to pretend that terrorism, Islamic heretics, only exist in SW Asia? Nope, we have some exported such types here in the US, too. If you stop to think instead of attacking anything written from a Western comparative perspective you would have understood and can still understand that it is only fair and balanced to note that we all are up against religiously based acts and attempted acts of violence. I could have thrown in the UK bus and subway bombings in 2007/2008 for further comparisons, or the Islamic terrorist bombings in Spain, etc. Or the latest terrorist bombings in Moscow.

Think a little bigger than Raymond Allen Davis, and this is his real name, never had any other name, and think beyond a failed stick up to the frequent terrorist bombings in Lahaore the day before the failed Davis robbery and the failed minority sect Muslim religious holiday mosque bombing about 5 days after the Davis incident. The point is to think broadly and look at comparisons of other violence where many Paksitanis are being murdered by their own people in the name of a heretical unwelcome by all moderate Muslims I personally know a radical form of terrorism hiding in the guise of a faith whose very name I am regularly told means Peace.


why you think so much? so irrelevant? the crux of matter is Raymond Davis and his actions which put a straw in Pak-US relations, but you tend ignore once again, to discuss, these relations instead to put all blame on Pakistan, Common masses, Islamists, radicals,

As if It is the mistake of Islamsits, extremists and fundamentalists due to whom raymond davis got a prison break
 
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Female diplomat visits Raymond almost daily :woot:




ISLAMABAD: A female US diplomat, a social consular, frequently visits Raymond Davis in the Kot Lakhpat Jail in Lahore and at times plays Ludo (board game) with him to treat his depression. :D

The female remains with Davis for a couple of hours in the name of “social therapy” and has the authorization to meet him daily according to the instructions of the federal government to the Punjab administration as part of the consular access, a senior official told The News.

Washington has appointed social consulars in areas that it has categorized as “hard”. It put Pakistan in this type.The official said that during her visits the social consular chats with the inmate to keep him in good humour so that the bouts of depression that he experiences do not hurt him in any way. :P :P

Apart from the US Consul General in Lahore and some others, a medical doctor also has the permission to see Davis whenever he likes to examine his condition, the official said. He said that the Punjab home department in consultation with the Lahore High Court (LHC) decided to hold Davis’s trial in the Kot Lakhpat jail in both the cases of murder and possession of illicit arms.

He said the home department prepared the report on the basis of the grounds given by police for in-camera proceedings with the primary purpose of ensuring Davis’s security, and shared it with the LHC.

The official said that the Punjab government has not so far received anything from federal authorities including the foreign ministry about the diplomatic immunity or otherwise of Davis. Similarly, it has got no response to its half a dozen letters about the handing over of the driver and the rescue vehicle, which ran over a passerby, to provincial authorities. He said that the US consulate told a police party, which tried to visit it on Tuesday, that it has received no instructions either from the federal government or the embassy in this connection.

“We have no idea about the stand the federal government would take in the LHC in the next date of hearing of the case on March 14 because the consultative process is totally missing between the two administrations in the Davis case,” the official said.

He said the staff of the US embassy and Lahore consulate would be allowed to attend the trial, who would be permitted by the concerned court. The official expressed ignorance about efforts to work out the amount of blood money to be paid to the heirs of Davis’s victims. He had no knowledge whether or not the US mission has approached these families.

However, reports indicate that hectic attempts are underway at different levels and by different persons to reach out-of-court settlement by paying compensation to the heirs. The concerned courts would be accordingly informed after such an arrangement concluded. The official said that Davis did not observe any hunger strike on Tuesday. He did not have one time meal, as he did not feel hungry. But he ate the second meal the same day.

Female diplomat visits Raymond almost daily
 
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its allowed to visit daily???????????/ BS gov is not only puppet and ghulam but they are same like shoe of USA .

she is nothing but give him daily info abut case and take info abut interrogation and advise him what he answer . i dont know what i have to do daily i think after read this case new i have to suicide or kill them:angry:
 
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Sir I say get rid of these corrupt generals and we can be out of this slavery they have imposed on us get Rid of zardari too
 
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Sir I say get rid of these corrupt generals and we can be out of this slavery they have imposed on us get Rid of zardari too

i cant see occupied Pakistan in my life aether its politically or by military . and now we are occupied by USA politically
 
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Imran Bhai, In this time of Depression and Uncertainty, Let's play Ludo :D
 
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Imran Bhai, In this time of Depression and Uncertainty, Let's play Ludo :D

yaar believe me i was in US favor before this case but now i cant explain how much i hate them. my BP high daily after getting update of this case .
 
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Very right sir we are indeed we need change I say we all pak defense member should maje our own political party and work hard for our beloved homeland
 
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Politely said you have to understand how to synthesize cross cultural comparisons, which is what this did. I am sorry you do not understand this fact.

Is it fair to pretend that terrorism, Islamic heretics, only exist in SW Asia? Nope, we have some exported such types here in the US, too. If you stop to think instead of attacking anything written from a Western comparative perspective you would have understood and can still understand that it is only fair and balanced to note that we all are up against religiously based acts and attempted acts of violence. I could have thrown in the UK bus and subway bombings in 2007/2008 for further comparisons, or the Islamic terrorist bombings in Spain, etc. Or the latest terrorist bombings in Moscow.

Think a little bigger than Raymond Allen Davis, and this is his real name, never had any other name, and think beyond a failed stick up to the frequent terrorist bombings in Lahaore the day before the failed Davis robbery and the failed minority sect Muslim religious holiday mosque bombing about 5 days after the Davis incident. The point is to think broadly and look at comparisons of other violence where many Paksitanis are being murdered by their own people in the name of a heretical unwelcome by all moderate Muslims I personally know a radical form of terrorism hiding in the guise of a faith whose very name I am regularly told means Peace.

there r allegedly hundreds of cia men working , havent you read whats coming, davis arrest is just opening the door to american crimes in pakistan
 
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The process moves forward. Let's see how matters proceed:

from: Court to begin hearing of US shooter case on Friday | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

LAHORE: A Pakistani court is to begin proceedings Friday at a hearing into double murder charges against a CIA contractor who shot dead two men in Lahore last month, lawyers said.

Washington is pushing hard for Pakistan to free Raymond Davis, arguing that he has diplomatic immunity and is backing his claim that he acted in self-defence when he shot the men in a busy city street nearly four weeks ago.

Revelations that Davis was a CIA contractor have heaped pressure on Pakistan’s fragile government and further ramped up burning public mistrust of Washington.

The Pakistani court where police filed double murder charges against Davis this month is to sit Friday inside Kot Lakhpat jail in Lahore, where Davis is being held, ahead of a High Court hearing to determine the diplomatic immunity issue, set for March 14.

“The hearing will be held inside Kot Lakhpat jail and notices have been served to all concerned,” public prosecutor Abdul Samad told AFP.

“The immunity case before the Lahore High Court will not affect the proceedings of this court until the high court bars it from doing so,” Samad said.

“We have framed double-murder charges against him and the copies of the final report will be provided to all parties,” he added.

Asad Manzoor Butt, the lawyer for the families of the men who were shot dead by Davis, said he had also received a notice telling him to appear in court.

“We hope to get the copy of formal charges tomorrow. It depends on the judge if he starts the hearing or adjourns it after giving of copies,” Butt said.

Police have said they recovered a Glock pistol, four loaded magazines, a GPS navigation system and a small telescope from Davis’ car, after the shooting on a busy street in Lahore on January 27.

A third Pakistani was struck down and killed by a US diplomatic vehicle that came to Davis’s assistance. US officials denied Pakistan access to the vehicle and the occupants are widely believed to have left the country. – AFP
 
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like i said, dont give him any attention and he will fade away, some of you guys are plain dumb, he is just repeating the same record, borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.
 
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God Bless America, they gone nuts.

Cuba sets trial date for jailed American contractor
Feb 24/2011

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Cuba has set a trial date for U.S. aid contractor Alan Gross, the State Department said on Thursday, marking the next step in a case with has stalled progress in U.S.-Cuba relations.

"A trial date has been set for Alan Gross in Cuba. We hope he receives a fair trial and is allowed to come home. What he did is not a crime," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said in a message on Twitter. :lol:

Crowley did not say what the date was, and Gross' family attorney did not immediately respond to an email request for comment.

Cuba's state media said this month that prosecutors would seek a 20-year sentence for Gross, 61, who has been detained since he was arrested at his Havana hotel in December 2009.

Cuban authorities have accused him in the past of illegally importing satellite communications equipment and possibly spying.
A government statement posted on the website of Communist Party newspaper Granma said Gross had been charged with crimes against the state.

The United States has said Gross, whose trip was funded by a U.S. program aimed a promoting political change in Cuba, was only providing satellite communications equipment and Internet access for Jewish groups on the island and was not a spy.


The Gross case has become a serious obstacle between the two nations, stalling steps by the governments of U.S. President Barack Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro to improve long-strained ties.
(similar to recent Pakistan/US relations strain)

But last month a senior U.S. State Department official expressed cautious optimism that Gross would be tried and freed once formal charges had been pressed. (Yeah, he will be freed like Davis)

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Cuba charges US citizen Alan Gross with spying


Cuban prosecutors are to seek a 20-year prison sentence for US citizen Alan Gross, who is accused of spying.

Mr Gross, 61, has been charged with plotting against the state and his trial date will be set soon, Cuban state media reported.

The US, which insists Mr Gross is an aid worker not a spy, said it "deplored" the decision. :P

Washington has previously said there would be no major initiatives on US-Cuba relations until he was released.

Mr Gross was arrested in Havana in December 2009 and held without charge for 14 months.


He was working for the Cuba Democracy Programme, a US government programme aimed at promoting political change in Cuba.

The communist authorities consider this a subversive activity, and they allege that he was distributing illegal satellite equipment to Jewish community groups.
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Now he has been charged with "acts against the independence and territorial integrity of the state", a government statement published in the communist party newspaper Granma said.

The US government had been informed and his lawyer and relatives would be allowed to attend the trial, the statement added.

Washington has repeatedly said that there can be no major initiatives towards improving relations until he is freed.

US officials have previously expressed hope that he will be sent back to the US once his trial is over.


His case has put a brake on President Barack Obama's efforts to improve US-Cuba relations, which have been hostile since the 1959 Cuban revolution.

Cuba has long been demanding the return of five of its citizens who have been in jail in the US on spying charges since 1998.

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US says Cuba has set Mar. 4 trial date for American accused of spying


HAVANA - An American contractor jailed since December 2009 on suspicion of spying will go on trial in Cuba on March 4, U.S. diplomats and state-run Cuban media said Thursday, in a case sure to have profound ramifications for relations between the two Cold War enemies.

Cuban prosecutors are seeking a 20-year prison term for Alan Gross, a 61-year-old native of Potomac, Maryland, who was working for a firm contracted by the U.S. Agency for International Development when he was arrested and sent to Havana's high-security Villa Marista prison.

The U.S. government and Gross' family say he was distributing communications equipment to the island's Jewish community when he was arrested. Cuba says he was part of a multimillion-dollar plan to destabilize the government, and charged him with "acts against the integrity and independence" of the country.

Cuban officials informed the U.S. State Department of the trial date on Wednesday, Molly Koscina, a spokeswoman for America's diplomatic mission in Havana, told The Associated Press. She added that Gross has also been notified that a trial date has been set.

"The Office of Cuban Affairs in Washington DC was informed yesterday," Koscina said. "The Cuban government has said that the family can travel and that U.S. officials can attend."

Cuban state-media confirmed the trial date, and said the proceedings would be held at Havana's Popular Provisional Tribunal.

"This information was transmitted through diplomatic channels to the United States government, which was also notified that consular representatives, family members of Mr. Gross and his family lawyers can participate in the trial," said a report on the state-run news website Cubadebate.

Judy Gross, Alan Gross' wife, said in an email to the AP that she understands the trial is likely to last one or two days, but she said she has not yet decided if she will attend. The couple's 26-year-old daughter is currently recovering from surgery for breast cancer, and Alan Gross' mother was just diagnosed with lung cancer, making travel difficult.

"Now, more than ever, I beg the Cuban government to let Alan come home on humanitarian grounds. He has already served a 15-month prison sentence," she wrote.

She said she is worried about her husband's ability to "sustain the emotional pain and stress he is under," as well as his health. He has lost more than 90 pounds since being imprisoned.

News that a date would be set for Gross's trial came first in a Twitter posting sent from State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley, though he did not state the date.

Crowley said in the Twitter posting that the U.S. hopes Gross will receive a fair trial and can be allowed to come home. He said what Gross did "is not a crime."


Relations between Cuba and the United States have reverted to their icy norm after a brief period of optimism following the election of U.S. President Barack Obama that the countries could put away their decades of enmity.

On Wednesday, Obama denounced Cuba's human rights record and called on President Raul Castro's government to release political prisoners and stop harassing the mother of a Cuban hunger striker who died last year.

While Obama's administration has taken several steps to loosen some travel and financial restrictions on Cuba, U.S. officials have said repeatedly that relations cannot improve in any meaningful way while Gross remains in custody.

The United States has maintained a 48-year trade embargo on Cuba.

As recently as January, a senior State Department official was allowed to meet with Gross in custody, and U.S. officials were voicing optimism he would soon be released.

One scenario mentioned privately at the time was that the American might be convicted, sentenced to time served and deported. But that was before Cuban prosecutors announced earlier this month that they would seek such a lengthy jail term.

The project Gross worked with was part of a $40 million-a-year USAID program to promote democracy and political change on the island.

U.S. officials have defended the program and said they will never stop supporting democracy and openness in Cuba. Detractors of the Cuba project have criticized it as ineffective and counterproductive.

While Gross claims to have been working with the 1,500-strong Jewish community, the leaders of the island's two main Jewish groups have said they had nothing to do with him.


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The process of reconciliation continues:

from: US `ready to mend Pakistan ties` | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

WASHINGTON: The United States has revived high-level diplomatic and military contacts with Pakistan, indicating a desire to put behind the bitterness created by the arrest of a CIA contractor in Lahore, diplomatic sources told .

On Wednesday, when the US and Pakistani military chiefs had a day-long meeting in Oman, Pakistan`s Ambassador Husain Haqqani was invited to the State Department for a formal meeting with Marc Grossman, the new US Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

During the meeting, the State Department informed the ambassador that Mr Grossman planned to visit Islamabad early next month for exploratory talks with Pakistani leaders.

Although Mr Grossman served in Islamabad from 1976 to 1983, this would be his first visit to the country since his appointment earlier this month as US special representative for the region, replacing the late Richard Holbrooke.

“There`s no severance of relations,” said a diplomatic source while describing the impact of Raymond Davis`s arrest on US-Pakistan ties. “The Americans were still talking to the Pakistanis but almost always focused on the Davis affair.”

In Wednesday`s meeting, the source said, the Americans did not raise this issue. “Instead, they expressed the desire to move ahead with the efforts to build a strategic relationship with Pakistan.”

The source said that while the trilateral — Afghanistan, Pakistan, the US — talks scheduled in Washington this week had been postponed, the strategic dialogue would go ahead as planned.

The US-Pakistan strategic talks were scheduled next month and may still be delayed but would be held “more or less as planned”, the source said. The source confirmed a news report that the Davis dispute had strained relations between the CIA and the ISI but both sides had agreed to mend those ties as well.

“Misunderstandings and suspicions,” said the source while explaining what caused the tensions between the two spy agencies.

“The Pakistanis complained that the Americans were working behind their back, against the spirit of the partnership,” the source added, while “the Americans felt that the ISI was protecting some insurgents”.

In November, WikiLeaks confirmed that large numbers of US special operations forces had been operating inside Pakistan with or without Islamabad`s consent.

The source also confirmed that the Pakistan Embassy had issued thousands of visas to Americans, more than 400 on a single day. “But all those visas were issued with Islamabad`s consent,” said the source.
 
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God Bless America, they gone nuts.

Cuba sets trial date for jailed American contractor
Feb 24/2011

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Cuba has set a trial date for U.S. aid contractor Alan Gross, the State Department said on Thursday, marking the next step in a case with has stalled progress in U.S.-Cuba relations.

"A trial date has been set for Alan Gross in Cuba. We hope he receives a fair trial and is allowed to come home. What he did is not a crime," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said in a message on Twitter. :lol:

Crowley did not say what the date was, and Gross' family attorney did not immediately respond to an email request for comment.

Cuba's state media said this month that prosecutors would seek a 20-year sentence for Gross, 61, who has been detained since he was arrested at his Havana hotel in December 2009.

Cuban authorities have accused him in the past of illegally importing satellite communications equipment and possibly spying.
A government statement posted on the website of Communist Party newspaper Granma said Gross had been charged with crimes against the state.

The United States has said Gross, whose trip was funded by a U.S. program aimed a promoting political change in Cuba, was only providing satellite communications equipment and Internet access for Jewish groups on the island and was not a spy.


The Gross case has become a serious obstacle between the two nations, stalling steps by the governments of U.S. President Barack Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro to improve long-strained ties.
(similar to recent Pakistan/US relations strain)

But last month a senior U.S. State Department official expressed cautious optimism that Gross would be tried and freed once formal charges had been pressed. (Yeah, he will be freed like Davis)

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Cuba charges US citizen Alan Gross with spying


Cuban prosecutors are to seek a 20-year prison sentence for US citizen Alan Gross, who is accused of spying.

Mr Gross, 61, has been charged with plotting against the state and his trial date will be set soon, Cuban state media reported.

The US, which insists Mr Gross is an aid worker not a spy, said it "deplored" the decision. :P

Washington has previously said there would be no major initiatives on US-Cuba relations until he was released.

Mr Gross was arrested in Havana in December 2009 and held without charge for 14 months.


He was working for the Cuba Democracy Programme, a US government programme aimed at promoting political change in Cuba.

The communist authorities consider this a subversive activity, and they allege that he was distributing illegal satellite equipment to Jewish community groups.
Hope

Now he has been charged with "acts against the independence and territorial integrity of the state", a government statement published in the communist party newspaper Granma said.

The US government had been informed and his lawyer and relatives would be allowed to attend the trial, the statement added.

Washington has repeatedly said that there can be no major initiatives towards improving relations until he is freed.

US officials have previously expressed hope that he will be sent back to the US once his trial is over.


His case has put a brake on President Barack Obama's efforts to improve US-Cuba relations, which have been hostile since the 1959 Cuban revolution.

Cuba has long been demanding the return of five of its citizens who have been in jail in the US on spying charges since 1998.

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US says Cuba has set Mar. 4 trial date for American accused of spying


HAVANA - An American contractor jailed since December 2009 on suspicion of spying will go on trial in Cuba on March 4, U.S. diplomats and state-run Cuban media said Thursday, in a case sure to have profound ramifications for relations between the two Cold War enemies.

Cuban prosecutors are seeking a 20-year prison term for Alan Gross, a 61-year-old native of Potomac, Maryland, who was working for a firm contracted by the U.S. Agency for International Development when he was arrested and sent to Havana's high-security Villa Marista prison.

The U.S. government and Gross' family say he was distributing communications equipment to the island's Jewish community when he was arrested. Cuba says he was part of a multimillion-dollar plan to destabilize the government, and charged him with "acts against the integrity and independence" of the country.

Cuban officials informed the U.S. State Department of the trial date on Wednesday, Molly Koscina, a spokeswoman for America's diplomatic mission in Havana, told The Associated Press. She added that Gross has also been notified that a trial date has been set.

"The Office of Cuban Affairs in Washington DC was informed yesterday," Koscina said. "The Cuban government has said that the family can travel and that U.S. officials can attend."

Cuban state-media confirmed the trial date, and said the proceedings would be held at Havana's Popular Provisional Tribunal.

"This information was transmitted through diplomatic channels to the United States government, which was also notified that consular representatives, family members of Mr. Gross and his family lawyers can participate in the trial," said a report on the state-run news website Cubadebate.

Judy Gross, Alan Gross' wife, said in an email to the AP that she understands the trial is likely to last one or two days, but she said she has not yet decided if she will attend. The couple's 26-year-old daughter is currently recovering from surgery for breast cancer, and Alan Gross' mother was just diagnosed with lung cancer, making travel difficult.

"Now, more than ever, I beg the Cuban government to let Alan come home on humanitarian grounds. He has already served a 15-month prison sentence," she wrote.

She said she is worried about her husband's ability to "sustain the emotional pain and stress he is under," as well as his health. He has lost more than 90 pounds since being imprisoned.

News that a date would be set for Gross's trial came first in a Twitter posting sent from State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley, though he did not state the date.

Crowley said in the Twitter posting that the U.S. hopes Gross will receive a fair trial and can be allowed to come home. He said what Gross did "is not a crime."


Relations between Cuba and the United States have reverted to their icy norm after a brief period of optimism following the election of U.S. President Barack Obama that the countries could put away their decades of enmity.

On Wednesday, Obama denounced Cuba's human rights record and called on President Raul Castro's government to release political prisoners and stop harassing the mother of a Cuban hunger striker who died last year.

While Obama's administration has taken several steps to loosen some travel and financial restrictions on Cuba, U.S. officials have said repeatedly that relations cannot improve in any meaningful way while Gross remains in custody.

The United States has maintained a 48-year trade embargo on Cuba.

As recently as January, a senior State Department official was allowed to meet with Gross in custody, and U.S. officials were voicing optimism he would soon be released.

One scenario mentioned privately at the time was that the American might be convicted, sentenced to time served and deported. But that was before Cuban prosecutors announced earlier this month that they would seek such a lengthy jail term.

The project Gross worked with was part of a $40 million-a-year USAID program to promote democracy and political change on the island.

U.S. officials have defended the program and said they will never stop supporting democracy and openness in Cuba. Detractors of the Cuba project have criticized it as ineffective and counterproductive.

While Gross claims to have been working with the 1,500-strong Jewish community, the leaders of the island's two main Jewish groups have said they had nothing to do with him.


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RaptorRX707: Could you please help me understand the relevance of this post of yours to the RD incident? Thanks!
 
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