Raymond Davis Case: Shumaila’s uncle poisoned in Lahore

[Spring Onion]

Could it be possible that Shumaila didn't commit suicide? She could have been poisoned by the deceased family/anti american elements to foment this issue? And maternal uncle probable found about it, which led to this incident.

I know you guys won't like what i said, but just putting an idea forward. Go easy on me.

no uproar took place by her death.

would you like to kill your daughter or sister to rouse such anti-US sentiments?

 

[VCheng]

no uproar took place by her death.

would you like to kill your daughter or sister to rouse such anti-US sentiments?

Of all the aspects of this case, I am truly saddened by Shumaila and her decision to take her own life. Married for only six months, she must have seen happiness ending in tragedy so soon. At least she is at peace now with Allah. May Allah forgive her and bless her with eternal peace.

 

[Roybot]

no uproar took place by her death.

would you like to kill your daughter or sister to rouse such anti-US sentiments?

Thats good that no uproar took place, but it surely made the case against Davis worse. And no i certainly won't, but lets face it she was a widow there could be a lot of motivation behind killing her.

Anyways I would rather not talk about this issue anymore, disrespectful towards the deceased people. Apologies and I am out of this thread.

 

[American Eagle]

Which mail order law school on International Law and Diplomatic Immunity did some of you do by correspondence?

Mr. Davis was has 100% Diplomatic Immunity. That is the only outstanding Order of the Lahore Court, which directs the GOP/FO to tell the Court the official view of the GOP/FO as to what their opinion of the Diplomatic Immunity status of Mr. Davis. The US has already made clear in detail that Mr. Davis does have full DI.

Mr. Davis was the victum of a failed stick up robbery and defended himself. Two robbers were shot dead, that is a fact.

Separately a Pakistani driver for the US Consulate was involved in a traffic accidental death of a person in a crowded Lahore street. The driver of this accidential death was not an American. Some folks falsely claim otherwise.

Thirdly as Mr. Cheng notes above the six month wife of one of the robbers committed suicide, which is a religious violation under both Islam and, if you are a Roman Catholic instead of a Protestant Christian (who have more moderate views). I agree with Mr. Cheng that some of us, including me as a Protestant Christian, take a more moderate view toward suicide, but suicide factually is a self act, no one else was involved.

Summed up some of you are repeating over and over the viewpoint of the Taliban and al Qaida designed to stir up hatred and anarchy in Pakistan, which makes it hard on the Government of Pakistan which is of course opposed by the separate political party now governing Punjab.

 

[Spring Onion]

Mr. Davis was the victum of a failed stick up robbery and defended himself. Two robbers were shot dead, that is a fact.

you still live in fantasy world

please read the similar threads bellow carefully not from our sources but from western and American

 

[VCheng]

Is there any doubt, regardless of RD, that US policies will continue? Holding one man hostage will not do much in the long term I think.

from: US drone kills four in North Waziristan | Latest-News | DAWN.COM

MIRAMSHAH: A US drone strike in a Pakistani tribal area Thursday killed at least three militants, security officials said.

The strike took place in the restive Datta Khel region, 25 kilometres west of Miramshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal district bordering Afghanistan.

 

[Spring Onion]

Is there any doubt, regardless of RD, that US policies will continue? Holding one man hostage will not do much in the long term I think.

from: US drone kills four in North Waziristan | Latest-News | DAWN.COM

MIRAMSHAH: A US drone strike in a Pakistani tribal area Thursday killed at least three militants, security officials said.

The strike took place in the restive Datta Khel region, 25 kilometres west of Miramshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal district bordering Afghanistan.

sir this is like justifying Alu and apple are both fruits.


nowhere Pakistan claimed that by probing and treating Davis for his crime in Pakistan is aimed at changing US policies

 

[VCheng]

sir this is like justifying Alu and apple are both fruits.


nowhere Pakistan claimed that by probing and treating Davis for his crime in Pakistan is aimed at changing US policies

JanaJi: I was referring to the shrill and unjustified rhetoric voiced over and over on PDF asking for all US personnel to be thrown out and all aid stopped because of the RD affair, since some think that Pakistan can do just fine without the US involvement in the region.

PS: Is Alu is not a fruit?

 

[Tin Man]

Clearly, the "tough act" is not going to fly with the americans. The drone attacks resumed, CIA agents still at large in pak etc etc. In the end , the one suffering is the pakistan citizen. And ending your alliance with the states could potentially be a recipie for disaster. My advice, drop it and dont go there.

 

[Spring Onion]

JanaJi: I was referring to the shrill and unjustified rhetoric voiced over and over on PDF asking for all US personnel to be thrown out and all aid stopped because of the RD affair, since some think that Pakistan can do just fine without the US involvement in the region.

PS: Is Alu is not a fruit?

RD affair is one of the many reasons for the demand

its mutual affair. US is not spending out of love .

and personally i feel some are not thinking wrong as we have to do it fine without US one day so better start now.

yeh Alu is fruit if come with US topping

 

[American Eagle]

you still live in fantasy world

Havinig lived and worked in Pakistan, the old US Embassy, I knew there the old prejudices and attitudes that I had hoped would have faded with more modern times.

However, with the advent of the violent versions of the Taliban and al Qaida, even as a minority, these terrorists have some appeal to folks who want someone to "blame" for their lot in life.

No, I am not living in a dream. Religious prejudice against non-Muslims and against moderate Muslims, who I believe are still the silent majority inside Pakistan, is hot, nasty, and feeds off the series of lies revolving around the victum of a failed armed robbery, Mr. Davis. You seem to like to just have a hate object, be it India, Kashmir, the Afghans, the Pathans in the north. That all should have cleared up years ago to be "one people" if you want to survive in tact as "one nation."

The lawless FATA and related areas when Pakistan for many years exercises no practical law and order for society to prosper is "suddenly" our "soverign" nation territory and damn the Yanks for daring to fire drones into "our soverign" nation, FATA, to kill the murdering Taliban terrorists and al Qaida, the Arabs there who are not native Pakistanis by any means.

It is especially sad to see folks post the Pakistani flag but also the flag of the Western nation where they were in many cases born and in any case now live and work. I have respect, even if we disagree, for "the" people in Pakistan who chose to stay and work and live in their homeland and try to help it's weak democracy evolve on a standard suited to the tribal mixes and other ethnic considersations, to include Shiia and Sunni affiliations, as well as minority Christians and other faiths.

Go on the Internet and look up the Paksitani Constitution of 1950 and note how all classes of native society, various different religions, all were protected and guaranteed representation in the governing body of Pakistan.

Then go to the late Mr. S.A. Butto's 1973 Pakistan Constituion, to see where radical Islam first started to rear it's ugly head.

I liked and was glad to see Mrs. Bhutto try to return to politics in Pakistan. She was a well educated moderate, and very unlike the radical Islamist her late father had become.

Have a good weekend and look for a positive International Court and/or Western based law firm to give advise to the GOP/FO, perhaps Swiss International Law firm to help Pakistan understand that Mr. Davis and ALL diplomats serving in Pakistan do have 100% diplomatic immunity. Mr. Davis was a victum of a failed armed robbery attempt.

PS - Worldwide political scientists and modern historians are starting to realize and revise their opinions of President G. H. W. Bush who very idealistically and adamantly advocated and still advocates democracy for backward and emerging nations, to include Libyia, Tunisia, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

I for one think the world in general would do better to treat the war on terrorism as we did the Cold War, as a multi-generational effort to enable native peoples self determiniation in a free and democratic way. Many backward cultures and nations of same have a long way to go, but if those nations are ever to have upward mobility hope then some form of adopted to local geopolitics democracy is inevitable. People will not accept repression forever.

Some "revisionists" inside the Pakistan Foreign Office wrongly rewrote administrative guidance on DI and that will have to be reversed with the DI opinion supporting Mr. Davis release and his repatriation to the USA.

Meanwhile as some spin tales of fantasy look at the cold possibility that the two robbers may also have been fund raisers for and part and parcel of the urbanized Taliban who have in part fled to major cities to escape being hit with hostile fire aimed at terrorists whose existance is most unwelcome to the vast silent majority of moderate Pakistanis.

 

[VCheng]

RD affair is one of the many reasons for the demand

its mutual affair. US is not spending out of love .

and personally i feel some are not thinking wrong as we have to do it fine without US one day so better start now.

yeh Alu is fruit if come with US topping

My point is that regardless of the reasons, the EXPECTATION that Pakistan can handle the issues alone is seriously misguided, and should be countered with the voice of logic and sanity.

Now I am hungry for a baked potato with sour cream, chives and sun-dried tomatoes.

 

[American Eagle]

I would like to see Pakistan speed up it's IMF/World Bank borrowings targed specifically at new and more renewal energy sources for power generation...tidal hydro power, solar power, wind mills all over the desert and hill tops and mountains of all parts of Pakitan.

 

[VCheng]

I would like to see Pakistan speed up it's IMF/World Bank borrowings targed specifically at new and more renewal energy sources for power generation...tidal hydro power, solar power, wind mills all over the desert and hill tops and mountains of all parts of Pakitan.

As a rough calculation, with projected power needs of about 100,000 MW by 2050 and a cost of about $5 per installed KW, it would cost about $ 12.5 Billion per year to get Pakistan to that point where oil needs would be curtailed to be somewhat independent of world markets.

See, this is just another example of wishful thinking, positive as it may be. Thinking logically would be immensely beneficial in my opinion, and this would include the present RD affair as well as the pie-in-the-sky thinking demonstrated with abandon here (just to stay on topic).

 

[Bratva]

American Eagle, Cut the Crap, Stick To Davis And Immunity Issue, if you want to discuss Pakistani Past Events and personalities, and other side issues and Islam And Pakistan, Open another thread, and discuss there, I hope this "request" of mine should fall on your deaf ears