Rapping for freedom and the end of communism in Vietnam

[FairAndUnbiased]

[HuTE="hans, post: 7106884, member: 161885"]There are many guys in the south VN that consider themselves invaded and slaved by northern VN..
So that is why they want foreign power to free them from North VN

not all South Vietnamese wanted freedom, just like there were fascist sympathizers in Britain and collaborators in France. Freedom isn't free and many aren't willing to pay the price. Most people everywhere are apathetic. I'm just stating some facts that South Vietnam was a military dictatorship and that it was unable to gather popular support.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Did u see how effective of the US's support to Myanmar to bomb & shell to your land day after day ??

The exit door for CN in Myanmar is closing now, and one more exit door for communist CN will be closed in VN, no more communist brothers wt u when we join the US's side

Please , close the door please . I am begging you.

 

[mike2000 is back]

not all South Vietnamese wanted freedom, just like there were fascist sympathizers in Britain and collaborators in France. Freedom isn't free and many aren't willing to pay the price. Most people everywhere are apathetic. I'm just stating some facts that South Vietnam was a military dictatorship and that it was unable to gather popular support.

Hmmmm.......that will mean a major proportion of south Vietnamese were/are fascists sympathisers. I get it. Just like many Chinese KMT sympathisers were/are fascists. Hopefully they will all be eliminated so the incorruptible/efficient/brave/saint Marxist-Leninist Communist party can reign supreme forever.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Hmmmm.......that will mean a major proportion of south Vietnamese were/are fascists sympathisers. I get it. Just like many Chinese KMT sympathisers were/are fascists. Hopefully they will all be eliminated so the incorruptible/efficient/brave/saint Marxist-Leninist Communist party can reign supreme forever.

are you denying the historical fact that the KMT was an ally of nazi germany?

 

[mike2000 is back]

are you denying the historical fact that the KMT was an ally of nazi germany?

Of course the KMT took help from any country at the time while fighting Japan. Afterall, ironically Germany was the first country to provide help to China back then fighting imperial Japan(way before even the U.S/west ever started helping the chinese). So you want to say if the incorruptible CCP had been in power it wouldnt have accepted help from Germany back then? LOOOL LMAO. seems you are not fair an unbiased afterall, you are more like a CCP sympathiser obviously.

 

[gambit]

Yes, I agree, there is some sort of equilibrium, a balance that has been achieved between the 2 sides where neither sides pushes too far so that the boat stays afloat. Change will eventually come in a more natural way.

I would use the word 'truce' instead.

Change is inevitable and the commies knows it. Right now, the commies are taking the pragmatic path -- the allowance of greater economic freedom. Ideologically, just like the ChiComms, they know the -isms of Marx, Lenin, and Mao are done for, at least for this hundred yr period, anyway. Tossing bread in front of the people and temporarily their minds will be focused on the bread and their physical hunger.

So for now, while the economic bread from the likes of Intel, Samsung, and Sony are keeping the Vietnamese people occupied, the country's top minds are busy wondering what to do next, not about keeping the Communist Party in power when they know this -ism is nothing but an empty vessel that no one want to fill, but about where to take the Vietnamese other than the -ism of the Americans. The sad part is that there are no other alternatives. Everyone know of the other empty vessel -- socialism with Chinese characteristics. What will we see next -- socialism with Vietnamese characteristics ? It will be an even greater joke for both peoples.

Like it or not, the best path for true Vietnamese independence and prosperity is to break away from the failed -isms of Marx, Lenin, and Mao, and if not the adoption of the bicameral political system of the US, then at least the parliamentary model that most democracies are using today. Let the Chinese be two-faced about their system. The world snickers behind their palms at the Chinese leaders whenever they changes from the coat and tie to the Mao suit and even ordinary Chinese rolled their eyes at the costume changes in the Chinese political theater. A Viet Nam with the parliamentary democratic system and capitalism will go the way of Japan, South Korea, and Singapore. The Chinese are already contemptuous of those countries anyway, so what does Viet Nam have to lose ?

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

I find the Vietnamese very interesting. On the one hand they hate our guts but at the same time they have taken over large elements of our culture, language and these days even our form of political system not to mention our economic model. They are in many ways a mini China. Asians in that sense are strange people. Countries like China and Vietnam but also Japan have a lot of similarities. Yet we hate each other. While the same can be said about India and Pakistan. While China and Pakistan seem to be getting along quite well and the same goes for Japan and India.

I'm also surprised by the hostility between Vietnamese and Indonesian members here.

I would use the word 'truce' instead.

Change is inevitable and the commies knows it. Right now, the commies are taking the pragmatic path -- the allowance of greater economic freedom. Ideologically, just like the ChiComms, they know the -isms of Marx, Lenin, and Mao are done for, at least for this hundred yr period, anyway. Tossing bread in front of the people and temporarily their minds will be focused on the bread and their physical hunger.

So for now, while the economic bread from the likes of Intel, Samsung, and Sony are keeping the Vietnamese people occupied, the country's top minds are busy wondering what to do next, not about keeping the Communist Party in power when they know this -ism is nothing but an empty vessel that no one want to fill, but about where to take the Vietnamese other than the -ism of the Americans. The sad part is that there are no other alternatives. Everyone know of the other empty vessel -- socialism with Chinese characteristics. What will we see next -- socialism with Vietnamese characteristics ? It will be an even greater joke for both peoples.

Like it or not, the best path for true Vietnamese independence and prosperity is to break away from the failed -isms of Marx, Lenin, and Mao, and if not the adoption of the bicameral political system of the US, then at least the parliamentary model that most democracies are using today. Let the Chinese be two-faced about their system. The world snickers behind their palms at the Chinese leaders whenever they changes from the coat and tie to the Mao suit and even ordinary Chinese rolled their eyes at the costume changes in the Chinese political theater. A Viet Nam with the parliamentary democratic system and capitalism will go the way of Japan, South Korea, and Singapore. The Chinese are already contemptuous of those countries anyway, so what does Viet Nam have to lose ?

Dude this is no longer the 1980's. You are the only one on this forum that still speaks in these ideological terms of Leninisme or communism. No one else does that. Not the Vietnamese members, not the Chinese members not the other American members. South Vietnam lost the war you need to get over it. "Your Vietnam" is not going to come back.

 

[Brainsucker]

Some like @BuddhaPalm are talking about colour revolution just to take the mickey out of the Viet members. But some like @Brainsucker and @madfc seem to genuinely believe it which I find odd, since the logic just doesn't add up.

Believe in Color Revolution in Vietnam? I don't care lol. Even if it truly happen, I just don't care. Just look at how priceless it is to call those "patriot" Vietnamese member as a traitor? I enjoyed it. It's priceless.

 

[NiceGuy]

Please , close the door please . I am begging you.

But your leader Xi is begging us to open

 

[biendong]

Most of Viet forumers here are not VCP members.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Of course the KMT took help from any country at the time while fighting Japan. Afterall, ironically Germany was the first country to provide help to China back then fighting imperial Japan(way before even the U.S/west ever started helping the chinese). So you want to say if the incorruptible CCP had been in power it wouldnt have accepted help from Germany back then? LOOOL LMAO. seems you are not fair an unbiased afterall, you are more like a CCP sympathiser obviously.

KMT thinks to fight CPC is the first priority, not the Imperial Japan.

They can even concede the land to Japan as long as they would assist them to eliminate CPC.

This is because of the inferiority complex which is also commonly found in the rest of Asia. Did you check out the reference I quoted in the China's politics thread created by lux? Some Chinese academics talked about this self-esteem problem with a surveying showing only 26% Chinese preferring their development model while more prefers the US model. I bet a Vietnamese survey would have similar result due to the inferiority complex.

Your survey is either fake or using a very biased sample by taking it from the pro-West websites only.

 

[NiceGuy]

I find the Vietnamese very interesting. On the one hand they hate our guts but at the same time they have taken over large elements of our culture, language and these days even our form of political system not to mention our economic model. They are in many ways a mini China. Asians in that sense are strange people. Countries like China and Vietnam but also Japan have a lot of similarities. Yet we hate each other. While the same can be said about India and Pakistan. While China and Pakistan seem to be getting along quite well and the same goes for Japan and India.

I'm also surprised by the hostility between Vietnamese and Indonesian members here.

Bcz they believe they r de facto leader of ASEAN while other ASEAN nations like Sing-Malay-VN-Thailand see them (Indones) as just a clown and keep mocking at their maids

btw: I myself dont hate CN, but the collapse of CN will bring lots of benefit to VN, such as VN will take back all lost isls in SCS(east sea) when CN collapse

 

[Kyle Sun]

But your leader Xi is begging us to open

Begging You ? LMAO!

 

[NiceGuy]

Begging You ? LMAO!

So, pls tell him to stop all relationship wt VN and attack us like Mr.Deng in 1979

 

[Kyle Sun]

So, pls tell him to stop all relationship wt VN and attack us like Mr.Deng in 1979

OK , tell me when and where XI begged you guys to open the so called door.

OH , you find a way to contain us ,just ask US and VN to stop all relationship wt CN.