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Ranjit Singh : The Quintessential Indus Man

thanks for atleast admitting something... ;) I am part Iranian... and Persian girlz are known around the world for being beautiful..

Other than looting and killing... Persians and Afghans did brought good genes to North Indians.. you can't say that Invasions of India only had negative consequences.. :rofl::rofl:

why are u hell bent on displaying ur stupidity??

The north Indian Hindus including Hindu Sindhis ,kashmiri pundits and Sikhs Punjabis etc etc dont have even an ounce of Persians and Afghans blood or gene in them...forget about the rest of the Hindus of India.


Its only the Muslims, Anglo Indians of the sub continent who have foreign genes them in varying extent.
 
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why are u hell bent on displaying ur stupidity??

The north Indian Hindus including Hindu Sindhis ,kashmiri pundits and Sikhs Punjabis etc etc dont have even an ounce of Persians and Afghans blood or gene in them...forget about the rest of the Hindus of India.


Its only the Muslims, Anglo Indians of the sub continent who have foreign genes them in varying extent.

I think you are right!!:D:devil: Thanks for correcting me biplob!! Most Muslims of India are also indigenous to India (I would say 99% of them?)


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Thanks for correcting me biplob!! :D:D you are absolutely right

"The north Indian Hindus dont have even an ounce of Persians and Afghans blood or gene in them"!!!
 
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There goes the thread into another good looks and better genes contest. Thanks guys!
 
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There goes the thread into another good looks and better genes contest. Thanks guys!

nope I was agreeing with biplob in what he said!! :D:D There are actually very few instances where I actually agree with Indians and change my opinion!! :D :cool:
 
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nope I was agreeing with biplob in what he said!! :D:D There are actually very few instances where I actually agree with Indians and change my opinion!! :D :cool:

Great for regional peace.

Can we now get on with the topic of the thread?
 
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Errr.. what?? The Sikh panth's foundation is the Rehat Maryada.. the code of conduct.. It is basically a path to the RELIGION of Sikhism! Buddhism and Jainism our their own religions.. quit trolling by saying that Sikhism is not a religion.. maybe not in your Hindu RSS books.. but ask the rest of the Sikhs here...


U dont know the difference between an organized religion and panth(path) or a way of life.OKay.

I would call each indigos religion including Sikhism as Panths rather than religion.

RSS books??:cheesy:
well u see Mr Iqball_Brar(UN flagwale..lol) not everyone fan of Khalistani propaganda .



First of all, get your facts straight.. Majority of the Muslims in Indian subcontinent are not "foreign blood"... majority of Muslims are subcontinental.. their ancestors were Hindus who rejected Hinduism... same goes for Sikhism... those guys were SIKHS!!! As soon as they got baptized into Sikhism, that was it, they were HINDUS NO LONGER!! Get that through your head.. there is no such thing as "Hindu blood".. Hinduism is just a philosophy...


yes, majority of Muslims in India subcontinent are not "foreign blood,true??
But perceptions are different ...a number of Pakistani or even BD one give a different views.

ancestors were Hindus who rejected Hinduism... ??

BS ,this country is still 80% Hindu u idiot and if not for foreign invasions it their numbers would have been even more.

BTW,large number of ppl in north west India(Pakistan) and even today's Bangladesh were infact Buddhist before Bin Quasim arrived the shore of Sindhi.Hence in-fact they rejected Buddhism not Hinduism,and Buddhism disappeared ,while Hinduism is around till today practiced by 900m ppl India.

Coming back to Sikhism,let me clear most ppl who got influenced by Sikh gurus initially and later got baptized by Guru Gobind singhji and joined khasa force never thought they are leaving Hinduism or as u stupidly put rejected Hinduism.Most didn't see difference as u((UN flag wale) see it today.If that was the case u would have never see long tradition of Punjabi Hindu families sending the kids to join khasla.


Before the 10th Guru, there was no such thing as baptism into the Sikh religion.. it was an idea which you followed... and all the writings and teachings of those Sufi saints.. be that Islam or Sikhism.. it does not matter.. all Sikhs follow them.. because they teach pretty much the same thing as what Guru Nanak taught!! As for conversions, there was never a request for anyone to be converted.. there still isn't.. you should come to Punjab and see how badly the so called "Rashtriya Sikh Sangat" (Hindu RSS converts to Sikhism) are HATED.. they are HINDUS at heart.. only put the turban on their head to try to corrupt the Sikh religion.... ..


So u Iqbal _brar(UN flag wale) gonna decide who is real a Sikh,hann??:cheesy:

joining them and converting and becoming Lachman Singh Babbar.. not that we are big on conversions.. we don't ask anyone to convert to Sikhism.. just leave us alone and stop claiming that we're Hindus...

I never said Sikhs are Hindus by religion .But Sikhism is started by Hindus guru and his Hindu followers part of Bhati movement.
And later on the Khala forces are made of up boys Punjabi Hindu families who never saw its as an anti Hindu cause,but a struggle against Mogul tyranny.


No one ASKED them to be converted.. and since they converted, they are HINDUS NO MORE!!!

Thats the whole problem between Ur assertions and my understanding.

Sikhs didn't came from somewhere outside Punjab ,but gradually built by Punjabi Hindus joining the movement in more numbers .The fact that Hindu families letting their kid become Sada of khalsa army(not the whole family got converted),clearly shows Punjabi Hindu never saw it against Hindu religion.Thats the crucial difference between whole Hindu families converting Islam for various reasons.


Or pick up the sword and fight for themselves for a change?? Sikhs were not even such a strong military force when Guru Tegh Bahadur was asked for help.. Rajputs or Marathas were way stronger.. but still he ended up achieving Shahadat for them..


The kasrmiri pundits who came seeking the Guru Tegh Bahadur's help were no hapless strangers as u and some here like to portray .They were friends and acquaintance of the Sikh guru living in near by Kashmir.So infact the Sikh Guru choose help friends out.That part was deliberately omitted by khalistani groups.
Though the Sikhs were not martial at time,but courageous choose to defend the Kashmir pundits(essentially Hindu priests by birth and profession ,not more martial Hindus like Rajput or Maratha) and gave self sacrifice.

After his death Guru Gobind singh vowed to raise khalsa army and Hindus of that region supported his cause by joined him and become sadars.

.. we're Sikhs through and through.. it is not the blood in your viens which makes you a Sikh but your faith and practices which make you a Sikh... you guys have yet to get that through your head... :mad:



Well ,Sikhs are sikhs .I admire Sikhs a lot ,but not the (UN flag wale) type.


But I cant support false canards like Sikhs were the Saviour's of Hindus which is nonsense.
The fact of the matters is Sikhs are themselves made off Punjabi Hindus who later become sadars .Even then they had zero influence outside Punjab ,not even in Delhi.

By the time Ranjit Singh was ruling from Lahore,most of central India was under the Martha's whose influence the Mogul seat of Delhi where Mogul king for an emperor for name shake.
 
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It sounds the same to you because you are indian whose living in denial trying to tell the world that Pakistanis and indians are the same but we Pakistanis rather die than be in the same category as indians.

lolll.. duudee i couldn't care less what you aree.... ethnically.. I'm a Punjabi Jatt and damn proud of itt... just like all the other Jatts.. either in Pakistan or India... the rest of you.. i could care less.. brand yourself whatever.. but just sayingg.. as a non-Hindi and non-urdu speaker.. when u talk.. nd another guy talks hindi.. i can't tell no difference... don't get ethnicity and religion mixed upp.. Jatts are proud people.. even after they converted to Sikhism or Islam.. they still proudly keep their Jatt last names... so don't be fooled into thinking that i'm saying you're ethnically same as me.. you're nothing like me!!

We Pakistanis can definately tell when an Indian talks in hindi and when a Pakistani talks in urdu. We dont have the dravadian accent that you have like how your news anchors talk in india tv. You even ruin Persian words like you call zindagi "jindagi" and zindabad "jindabad" and you have words like shanti which for Pakistanis means ugly indian woman, i can go on and on with the difference on how an indian talks and how a Pakistani talks but you will still reply because you are just being yourself, an annoying indian.

lolll.. "Jindagi" and "jindabad" are punjabi accented words.. infact i wont be surprised if urdu stole "jindgi" from Punjabi.. because it comes from the word "Jind" which means "life" in Punjabi... anddd.. ironically these words are used by more than half of your country... pakistani punjabis... ;)

You can understand Urdu but when it comes to reading and writing Urdu you can't read and write sh!t all when Pakistanis read and write, that makes you indians illiterates in the Urdu language and you indians have dravadian languages like marathi and other south indian languages that most indians speak that no Pakistani can ever understand.

lollll... alright einstein.. go talk to the persians and arabis in urdu nd see if they understand a single thing u say... cuz ofcourse.. urdu is sooooo close to arabic and persian and nothing like hindi.. lollz...

Every Muslim country has their own language. Turks have Turkish they also cant understand Arabic or Farsi.

lolll.. and what do you have again? sounded like Hindi to me.. lolll.. :P am just kidding... but I still think Pakistanis are foolish to accept urdu as their national language.. it is the mother tongue of Mohajirs... Pakistan's true languages are sindhi.. punjabi.. pashto.. balochi.. etc etc... no matter how u much u try to whine and cry wont change the fact urdu is an indic language.. originated in india.. and used by indian muslims... and is NOT the mother tongue of Pakistani muslims..

Atleast I provided a source you didnt even provide a source to your fairytale. If you were educated enough you would know that Shalwar is a Farsi word meaning pants and Kameez is an Arabic word meaning shirt. No Jatt sikh ever would've thought of those words. Muslims came up with Shalwar Kameez, jatt sikhs didnt invent sh!t.

I know.. true say.... shalwar... kameezzz... yeppp ure right.. no Jatt could ever think of coming up with these words loll... but yeh bro, I definitely agree.. you provided me with a link.. a wiki one.. but i did.. so i definitely gotta concede this point to you...

Afghani and Persian culture is much better than hindu and sikh culture I can tell you that, and you dont have to tell me about cheap shots you are a perfect example of an annoying indian who is obsessed about Pakistanis and want the whole world to think Pakistanis and indians are the same people, while we Pakistanis never wanted anything to do with indians. We Pakistanis are 180 million people we are a people of our own.

achaaa... thanks for telling me.. i swear i could never have figured this one out... lolll.. i may be annoying to you bro.. but you're still a little teeny weeny teenager.. and that "1984" in your name most definitely is not your d.o.b. as one gets that impression at first glance... like my friend Indian jatt here.. I can definitely see what i'm interacting with the more you post.. :)


I dont care if the Muslim is Afghani, Persian, Arabic, Turkish, Sweedish or African I respect them and admire their culture more than bharatis.

loll... achaa... so what culture is yours again.. afghani... or persian?

loll yourself you just proved to everyone in this forum that indian is another word for annoying loser who has nothing better to do than follow Pakistanis in every Pakistani forum trying to convince Pakistanis that they are same as indians while Pakistanis want nothing at all to do with indians.

lolll... bro.. i love you... hadnt had this much fun in a while... ndd nooo you're not same as me.. we already went through this.. lolz.
 
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U dont know the differnece between an organized religion and panth(path) or a way of life.okay.

I would call each indigious religion including sikhism as Panths rather than religion.

RSS books??:cheesy:
well u see Mr Iqbal_Brar(UN flagwale..lol) not everyone fan of Khalistani propaganda .

yes, majority of muslims in india subcontinent are not "foreign blood,true??
But perceptions are differnent ...a number of pakistani or even BD one give a diffenert views.

ancestors were Hindus who rejected Hinduism... ??

BS ,this country is still 80% hindu u idiot and if not for foreign invasions it their numbers would have been even more.

BTW,large number of ppl in north west india(pakistan) and even today's Banladesh were infact Buddist before Bin Quasim arrived the shore of sindh.Hence infact they rejected Buddism not hindusim,and Buddism disappeared ,while hinduism is around till today practiced by 900m ppl india.

Coming back to Sikhism,let me clear most ppl who got influenced by sikh gurus intially and later got baptized by Guru Gobind singhji and joined khasa force never thought they are leaving hinduism or as u stupidly put rejected Hinduism.Most didnt see differnece as u((UN flagwale) see it today.If that was the case u would have never see long tradition of punjabi hindu families sending the kids to join khasla.


So u Iqbal _brar(UN flagwale) gonna decide who is real a Sikh,hann??:cheesy:

I never said Sikhs are hindus by religion .But Sikhism is started by hindus guru and his hindu follwers part of Bhati movement.
And later on the Khala forces are made of up boys punjabi hindu famiies who never saw its as an anti hindu cause,but a sturggle aganist moghul tyraany.


Thats the whole problem between ur assertions and my understanding.

Sikhs didnt came from somewhere outside punjab ,but gradually built by punjabi hindus joinin the movment in more numbers .The fact that hindu families letting their kid become Sadar of khalsa army(not the whole family got converted),clearly shows punjabi hindu never saw it aganist hindu religion.Thats the crucial difference between whole hindu familes converting islam for various reasons.


The kasrmiri pundits who came seeking the Guru Tegh Bahadur's help were no hapless strangers as u and some here like to potray .They were friends and aquantance of the Sikh guru livig in near by kashmir.So infact the Sikh Guru choose help friends out.That part was delibarately omitted by khalistani groups.
Though the sikhs were not martial at time,but couregeous choose to defend the kashmiri pundits(essentally hindu priests by birh and professin ,not more martial hindus like Rajput or Maratha) and gave self sacrifice.

After his death Guru Gobind singh vowed to raise khalsa army and hindus of that region suppoted his casue by joined him and become sadars.


Well ,Sikhs are sikhs .I admire Sikhs a lot ,but not the (UN flagwale) type.


But dont support false canards like Sikhs were the saviours of hindus which is nonsense.
The fact of the matters is sikhs are themselves made off punjabi hindus who later become sadars .Even then they had zero influnence outside punjab ,not even in Delhi.

By the time Ranjit Singh was ruling from Lahore,most of central india was under the marathas whose influnece the moghul seat of Delhi where moghul king for an emperor for name shake.
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lollll.... man right after i get through my friend Omar's post, i run into thisss.... hmmm listen up genius... when ALL the Sikhs on this forum are telling you that they are NOT Hindus.. than please get that through your headdd mann.. i really don't got time to go through all ure BS post again... truth be toldd.. ure posts are too long and boring to keep constantly correct.. thanks to brother RobbieS he should be answering a lotta your questions about Sikhi through PM... just go discuss it out with him.. quit bothering me... and yeaa.. we're SIKHS!! NOT Hindussss.... we rejected Hinduism... and I don't see how a Hindu and twist and whine and force us to say we're Hindus when almost every Sikh member on this board has already told u that we're our own religion.. we're SIKHSSS... ;) ;)
 
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@Biplob - Dude its irrelevant to go into who was what before converting to Sikhism. If we go into that, then we have to decide how far back we want to go. What were Sanatanis before their way of life was crystallized as Hinduism? Pagans? What were Arabs before they converted to Islam? Some tribal religion?

Its true most religions start out as sects/panths. So was the case of Christianity that branched out of Judaism and so was the case for Buddhism/Jainism wrt to Hinduism. But I guess we both agree that Sikhism is a religion and has been so for quite a few centuries. Rest all is re-wording of arguments.
 
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I think you are right!!:D:devil: Thanks for correcting me biplob!! Most Muslims of India are also indigenous to India (I would say 99% of them?)


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oiiii how come you always find the ugliest pics to post for indian girls?? lmaoo... its all good though.. keep the pics coming.. this thread is already gone now.. loll... toyed around with my good buddy omar.... sexy gals in the backdrop will give a nice drift to this thread.. lolll... i think omar will like that too... what you say omar?? ;)
 
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lollll.... man right after i get through my friend Omar's post, i run into thisss.... hmmm listen up genius... when ALL the Sikhs on this forum are telling you that they are NOT Hindus.. than please get that through your headdd mann.. i really don't got time to go through all ure BS post again... truth be toldd.. ure posts are too long and boring to keep constantly correct.. thanks to brother RobbieS he should be answering a lotta your questions about Sikhi through PM... just go discuss it out with him.. quit bothering me... and yeaa.. we're SIKHS!! NOT Hindussss.... we rejected Hinduism... and I don't see how a Hindu and twist and whine and force us to say we're Hindus when almost every Sikh member on this board has already told u that we're our own religion.. we're SIKHSSS... ;) ;)

I dont give *** **** what ur personal beliefs are.

All I'm against is this false BS canard started by IBIS Ur Iqbal_brar(UN flag wale) that the Sikhs were brave Saviour's of Hindus which is completely untrue.


Yes ,Guru Teg Bhag Bhahadur sacrificed his life for his friends among Kashmir pundits and khalsa forces saved few Punjabi Hindu women form foreign invaders .,but those Punjabi Hindus were Ur Punjabi women and khalasa force itself made off Punjabi Hindu contributions.So next time always mention that Sikhs helped their fellow Hindus(Punjabi only).

Basically Sikhs had no influence outside Punjab,hence any time u Sikh extremist like u start talking as if we Hindus owe something to u ,it make u me fall off my chair of Ur sadar joke.
 
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I dont give *** **** what ur personal beliefs are.

All I'm against is this false BS canard started by IBIS Ur Iqbal_brar(UN flag wale) that the Sikhs were brave Saviour's of Hindus which is completely untrue.


Yes ,Guru Teg Bhag Bhahadur sacrificed his life for his friends among Kashmir pundits and khalsa forces saved few Punjabi Hindu women form foreign invaders .,but those Punjabi Hindus were Ur Punjabi women and khalasa force itself made off Punjabi Hindu contributions.So next time always mention that Sikhs helped their fellow Hindus(Punjabi only).

Basically Sikhs had no influence outside Punjab,hence any time u Sikh extremist like u start talking as if we Hindus owe something to u ,it make u me fall off my chair of Ur sadar joke.

stop pms'ing.. i never said that Sikhs were saviours of Hindus... you sure you're not reading your own posts?? LOL.. No Sikh says that only reason for Khalsa army was to save Hindus... it wasn't... Khalsa army was an army OF Sikhs.. FOR Sikhs... it was never made to protect Hindus... if they did or not.. thats another story.. I won't comment on it.. because its not even that important in Sikh history...
 
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