Rampant spying destroys US credibility

[jhungary]

I you say and Gary says then he must be a Japanese. Through reading some of his posts, I am under the impression that he was an American. At any rate, it is best to have multiple members from one country so one get to read various POVs.

So you say he is not a real Japanese, then he is not a real Japanese?? LOL??

 

[Gufi]

lol someone does not make a penetration, then how do you know there is a leak?

again we disagree

 

[syedali73]

So you say he is not a real Japanese, then he is not a real Japanese?? LOL??

No, I never said this. Please avoid putting your words in my mouth.

 

[jhungary]

again we disagree

lol, it's not about agree or disagree. This is about practices. As I said, how else do you think you can detect a leak?

You may think it is a big deal, but I know for a fact this happens all the time

Again, do you not believe there are Chinese Spy within Pakistani Government rank??

 

[jhungary]

No, I never said this. Please avoid putting your words in my mouth.

Did I actually said you did?? I asked a question, while you made a statement, there are a lot different between those.

BTW I seems to remember you put word in my mouth the last couple of threads lol

 

[Gufi]

Again, do you not believe there are Chinese Spy within Pakistani Government rank??

no sir allies work together, it is called intelligence sharing, there are much greater advantages to intelligence sharing because as trust builds, the level of information that is shared gets more and more confidential in nature.
After a certain period of time the level of intelligence gained through trust is greater than the level gained through any spies because after a certain degree of trust building, the relation builds to a level where the intelligence sharing occurs between the highest authorities rather than low level sharing or what spies can get from sources.

 

[jhungary]

no sir allies work together, it is called intelligence sharing, there are much greater advantages to intelligence sharing because as trust builds, the level of information that is shared gets more and more confidential in nature.

After a certain period of time the level of intelligence gained through trust is greater than the level gained through any spies because after a certain degree of trust building, the relation builds to a level where the intelligence sharing occurs between the highest authorities rather than low level sharing or what spies can get from sources.

Well, I don't want to get into what you believe, but as much as I want to tell you, I can't and even if I do able to told you, I don't think you would believe me.

So I am just going to say "I admire you for your thought" and leave it at that.

 

[TaiShang]

What is scary on part of US spying on Japan is not only the fact that Japan is a very important ally.

But also the fact that US shared the intelligence they gathered from Japan with third parties.

That's an outright betrayal of the alliance. I understand spying to some degree. But sharing it?

I would be bloody concerned about this if I were Japan.

Why would the US have an urge to share the spied info with third parties?

@Nihonjin1051 , and especially my nationalist friend, @yoshi.oda

 

[Economic superpower]

What is scary on part of US spying on Japan is not only the fact that Japan is a very important ally.

But also the fact that US shared the intelligence they gathered from Japan with third parties.

That's an outright betrayal of the alliance. I understand spying to some degree. But sharing it?

I would be bloody concerned about this if I were Japan.

Why would the US have an urge to share the spied info with third parties?

@Nihonjin1051 , and especially my nationalist friend, @yoshi.oda

US doesn't form alliances, it forms master-slave relationships.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Why would the US have an urge to share the spied info with third parties?

Why would a guy want to share pictures of his naked girlfriend with other guys？

Because he is an insecure douchebag that‘s why!

"Hey! Australia,New Zealand and Canada，look at my new Japanese girlfriend, she is so loyal to me and willing to do anything I tell her to. Haha, jealous？"

 

[Zsari]

Therefore while there are protest to the Government of the US, there are nothing new about this and almsot all the country that being "SPIED" on by US have move on. Only people who know nothing about spying and espionage would have jump up and down and think this is any sort of big deal.

What most people have issue with is not that US is spying on everyone, of course everyone knows that, but that the US is jumping up and down accusing others of spying on them.

 

[jhungary]

What most people have issue with is not that US is spying on everyone, of course everyone knows that, but that the US is jumping up and down accusing others of spying on them.

lol, you don't understand COMSEC

This how people brag about catching people spying.

My old mentor once said, it's not worth losing sleep over when you find out people are spying you, you lost sleep when you cannot catch people spying on you.

 

[Zsari]

lol, you don't understand COMSEC

This how people brag about catching people spying.

My old mentor once said, it's not worth losing sleep over when you find out people are spying you, you lost sleep when you cannot catch people spying on you.

Its one thing to brag about catching people spying, its entirely another to make categorical statement that "we don't spy on private enterprise, we don't steal trade secret", etc all over the media. That's where the creditability are lost.

 

[jhungary]

Its one thing to brag about catching people spying, its entirely another to make categorical statement that "we don't spy on private enterprise, we don't steal trade secret", etc all over the media. That's where the creditability are lost.

Who told you CIA don't spy on private citizen or company?

Do you know the CIA had tried to spy on Coca Cola since the 60s? And do you know CIA trying to steal Microsoft and Apple trade secret since their company inception in 1990s? Don't believe US (At least CIA) had ever say they don't spy on Private and steal secret. Maybe some official said so, but this is not their agency direction

 

[Zsari]

Who told you CIA don't spy on private citizen or company?

Do you know the CIA had tried to spy on Coca Cola since the 60s? And do you know CIA trying to steal Microsoft and Apple trade secret since their company inception in 1990s? Don't believe US (At least CIA) had ever say they don't spy on Private and steal secret. Maybe some official said so, but this is not their agency direction

If you watch US news during the media blitz on Chinese cyber espionage, you'll see a lot of "experts" often in official capacity making these statements on pretty much every news outlet. That's why you see people jump up and down when the US is exposed of its hypocrisy.