Ramadan 'police' target Pakistan's cafe society

[livingdead]

Woah, plenty times, I remember eating and drinking in front of fasting Muslims and just recently realized the folly in what I did, I have started making a point of not eating or smoking when I am among Muslims now during Ramazan. But one thing I remember they never minded my doing it and when without knowing I offered them they politely refused pointing to the fact that they were fasting.

My mates ask me to come during weekends but I tend to go towards late evening. I dont want them to cook for me only and I dont want to eat infront of them when they are fasting( That will be cruel). Never missed iftar party though. lol.
Thats the best bit of ramadan for foodie like me .

Remember your own words said for western countrues?
Their country their laws?
Same goes for pakistan..now go do something beter with your lifethan trolling.



Another idiot jumps in

How is it that your posts are sacred, and mine are trolling.
I dont remember saying their country their law for any western country. I did say for saudi arab once, because some arab baiters trying to be racist towards arabs.

 

[Safriz]

Google trends for the word 'sex' into the month of Aug 2012 so far

Google Trends: sex

Also,

Google Trends: sex

.....the land of the pure ranks so high even when the month of Ramadan is in progress...

And the point is?

 

[Armstrong]

Your parallel with puppy burning is lame. Burning puppy is an action one has to take to make a point. Eating is for self preservation, there is no point to be made by eating. I am not talking about guys who eat infront of muslims in pakistan with an aim to offend them. (Although I would tend to think such people do not exist in pakistan)

Society does not find eating in restaurant unacceptable, which is why the surprise. Many people do not know existance of such a law. People will not keep their resturant open if it was socially unacceptable to do so.

All those actions you said also are symbolic. Which is why I think this is a symbolic thing too.

I am talking about simple things for a working person like me, who is not fasting, what are the option available (other than hiding myself and being invisible from muslims ). I am not into unbriddled and unabashed profligation of food, especially when I have to buy it from restaurant.

One might argue that not granting such an unbriddled allowance of food being proliferated around you is exactly that - a point !

One would also do well to understand that 'societies' are not monolithic and so it would be erroneous to assert that such is socially acceptable to a society when clearly here this society under question feels that it is not ! They feel that it goes against the sanctity of the Holy Month and allowing others to do this out in public falls into that category !

And aren't all actions symbolic ? For symbolism truly is pegged with domestic consumption, if one finds 'burning of poppies' socially unacceptable then the rationale for 'disallowing public consumption of food in Ramazan' is the same - thats what the public which forms and defines the society finds as acceptable or not ! Thats the only touch stone - What does the Society want ?

As someone who isn't religious, I don't like it but their position is as absurd or as reasonable as my own and vice versa if I were in their seat.

What working people like me do is that we go out and buy something and then consume it in the privacy of our offices ! I'm not hooled up underneath my desk nor do I quickly frisk away any amount of food or water if someone walks into my office; I just don't walk around the office building holding a Subway sandwich in my hand and a cup of Coke in the other and that is exactly the kind of behaviour that the public expects of me if I'm not fasting ! I get most of the food by walking through the front door of the restaurants or get them from the back-door from others...no one bothers me with it or even pays a second glance my way unless I munch on it all the 100 meteres to my car. Thats the 'not offending the sensibilities of others' bit I'm talking about.

 

[Safriz]

next you will say that since google trend says pakistanis search sex i ramazan,they should stop keeping fast..
Taking this argument further....you advocate that if one is doing one bad deed,they shouldnt stop and what ever bad they can?
Is that your point?

 

[Liquidmetal]

My mates ask me to come during weekends but I tend to go towards late evening. I dont want them to cook for me only and I dont want to eat infront of them when they are fasting( That will be cruel). Never missed iftar party though. lol.
Thats the best bit of ramadan for foodie like me .

That is another point about Islam and fasting sharing food with all people of all faiths and hues for we are all one and God loves us all. All those that do good Hindu or Muslim shall be rewarded with place in heaven in nirvana.

 

[The HBS Guy]

And the point is?

I think I have made myself amply clear. I trust thy intelligence.

 

[Armstrong]

Can someone confirm whether Pakistanis don't watch **** during Ramadan?

Thats too much of a broad word, I tend to be more 'specific' !

 

[The HBS Guy]

Thats too much of a broad word, I tend to be more 'specific' !

That's upto you.

 

[Safriz]

I think I have made myself amply clear. I trust thy intelligence.

yess..trolling is the point..

 

[The HBS Guy]

yess..trolling is the point..

You see what you are.

 

[A1Kaid]

That is another point about Islam and fasting sharing food with all people of all faiths and hues for we are all one and God loves us all. All those that do good Hindu or Muslim shall be rewarded with place in heaven in nirvana.

You can share food with people without having to fast and without Islam, not a unique point.

 

[Safriz]

You can share food with people without having to fast and without Islam, not a unique point.

And thats the whole point....

"Innamal Aamal o Binneyyat"???

Do it for sawaab,you getthat..Do it for the fun of it,and you get just that...

 

[livingdead]

One might argue that not granting such an unbriddled allowance of food being proliferated around you is exactly that - a point !

One would also do well to understand that 'societies' are not monolithic and so it would be erroneous to assert that such is socially acceptable to a society when clearly here this society under question feels that it is not ! They feel that it goes against the sanctity of the Holy Month and allowing others to do this out in public falls into that category !

And aren't all actions symbolic ? For symbolism truly is pegged with domestic consumption, if one finds 'burning of poppies' socially unacceptable then the rationale for 'disallowing public consumption of food in Ramazan' is the same - thats what the public which forms and defines the society finds as acceptable or not ! Thats the only touch stone - What does the Society want ?

As someone who isn't religious, I don't like it but their position is as absurd or as reasonable as my own and vice versa if I were in their seat.

What working people like me do is that we go out and buy something and then consume it in the privacy of our offices ! I'm not hooled up underneath my desk nor do I quickly frisk away any amount of food or water if someone walks into my office; I just don't walk around the office building holding a Subway sandwich in my hand and a cup of Coke in the other and that is exactly the kind of behaviour that the public expects of me if I'm not fasting ! I get most of the food by walking through the front door of the restaurants or get them from the back-door from others...no one bothers me with it or even pays a second glance my way unless I munch on it all the 100 meteres to my car. Thats the 'not offending the sensibilities of others' bit I'm talking about.

So basically you are conceding that its less about inconvenience more about respecting the people who fast.
I have no issue of people doing it out of their own accord. We all want to be nice to others. The issue is to have a law.
How does it degenerate from being respectful of others to being arrested for eating a sandwich (or drinking cola).

Do you also propose to legislate women wearing modestly (in islamic costume) during ramadan.

Just how far down the slope will you meet SA?

 

[Safriz]

So basically you are conceding that its less about inconvenience more about respecting the people who fast.
I have no issue of people doing it out of their own accord. We all want to be nice to others. The issue is to have a law.
How does it degenerate from being respectful of others to being arrested for eating a sandwich (or drinking cola).

Do you also propose to legislate women wearing modestly (in islamic costume) during ramadan.

Just how far down the slope will you meet SA?

You guys shopuld stop making a demon out of KSA..and muslims in general..Look in the mirror first.
How low qwill you go in your hate against Islam and Muslims..Disguised in different flavours and excuses...
You do need to get a life...

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

lol i am really surprised we are discussing such tiny news on PDF