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What nonsense. Indians voted for a lot of issues including Ram Mandir. RSS mobilized its huge cadre to canvas for Mr. Modi which is why the results came in. Do not worry we are not building the Ram Mandir in your secular Kerala. In Muslim areas the Muslim votes got divided between too many sickular parties which is why BJP won and not because they voted for BJP. Those who did not like the Mandir issue still voted for Mamata Banerjee and your Kerala still voted for the communist/congress parties.



Just because he does not support LTTE does not mean that he needs medical help. Perhaps you should reflect on your inclinations and stop supporting terrorist organizations or seek medical advise yourself.

Trying to make friends with Rajapakse is last in the list of his stupidities..

very true................he is a race traitor.....

Well in a way.. He is too stupid that makes him unwelcome here
 
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Indians voted for a pro developmental,Stabe and Anti corrupt government,not anything else that you mentioned above...
it had nothing to do with your social media...Thats why BJP got upperhand even in some Muslim majority areas...
How can you say that on all Indians behalf, when you yourself probably won't have done that? You voted for your regional leaders even if they were involved in solar scams, involved in rape of poor 16 year old by 60 people, involved in meeting a bomb blast accused and demanding his release. So come again what were the issues you voted on and be honest this time?
 
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Trying to make friends with Rajapakse is last in the list of his stupidities

That is also the stand of the BJP govt. We cannot sacrifice the interest of India to Tamil chauvinism. We need Sri Lanka to be pro-India and not become the handmaiden of US or China. Tamils themselves are re-integrating back with the majority in Sri Lanka. You should be applauding the process. Many political parties tried to make capital of the atrocities on Tamil in Sri Lanka, guess what, they were shown the middle finger by the TN people.

Well in a way.. He is too stupid that makes him unwelcome here

In a year, he makes at least half a dozen trips to TN. From arguing in the courts to addressing people there, he is everywhere, so what makes you think he is unwelcome there?
 
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Trying to make friends with Rajapakse is last in the list of his stupidities..
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Offtopic though
:lol: You need to realize that there is a lot of propaganda/attention diverting that goes on...
 
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That is also the stand of the BJP govt. We cannot sacrifice the interest of India to Tamil chauvinism. We need Sri Lanka to be pro-India and not become the handmaiden of US or China. Tamils themselves are re-integrating back with the majority in Sri Lanka. You should be applauding the process. Many political parties tried to make capital of the atrocities on Tamil in Sri Lanka, guess what, they were shown the middle finger by the TN people.



In a year, he makes at least half a dozen trips to TN. From arguing in the courts to addressing people there, he is everywhere, so what makes you think he is unwelcome there?

He doesn't have the tact (read brain) to promote his twisted agenda, see his comments, he is too frank and doesn't even try a bit to hide is eccentricity,...

Modi is smart thats why he doesnt give any position to Dr.Swamy, he is too tactless...

Dr.Swamy doesnt have the brains of Amit Shah, he is just more popular version of Togadia...

Dr.Swamy cannot contribute anything good for this country..

And regarding SL Tamils I think you are too uninformed.. do read about TNA govt and their demads for equal rights that has been turned down by Rajapakse..
Nothing good can happen from him..

If you are so bothered about friendly neighbours, surely Independednt tamil ealam makes better neighbour than Singhalese SL

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Offtopic though
:lol: You need to realize that there is a lot of propaganda/attention diverting that goes on...


I said I voted for BJP:crazy:

Dont embarass yourself by trying to sell smartness to me
 
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In other thread, you were complaining about people assuming you to be a leftist.

Well this post of yours is answer to that question. You may not realise it due to actor-observer effect but framework of your personality, due to your education in backdrop of communism, is communist/socialist.

This post is just an exemplar of that upbringing. The ease with you reached your subconscious to play this poor India, Hungry India card is an example of classical conditioning done by West Bengal communists.

You may not want Ram mandir to be built, even i am not enthusiastic about ram mandir, but the reason that you provided for not doing so are invalid; like the argument of Harsh Mander against launching of Mars mission because Indians do not have toilets.

This pornography of poverty reeks of slavery of mind. No Britisher talks about slums of bradford while advertising for London Olympics; In 17th century, Britishers did not said " Comrade! why are we building these warship and sending expedition to Asia when 99% of our population could barely afford a meal, Let's scrap them to feed extra loaf of bread to some poor". This thought process of getting a raise out of poverty pörn, common among socialists, is indicative of mental slavery with following drawbacks.

1. The thought process/Culture of Poverty pörn assumes that you are of inferior race/stock and unfit for higher cultural , or intellectual pursuit, or anything more than basic survival; you are a permanent üntermensch who should serve a higher race and should be satisfied with bare survival.

2. In this Socialist dictum of Poor first, toilet first; anyone born with high IQ has no option but to migrate, something which was common in pre 1990 India and is continuing till date.

3. This ideology of distribution of wealth ignores a natural fact: People are not Born equal, 9% of population is clinically retarded.
People are poor due to different reasons but a prominent one, the one ignored by all leftist, is that they are simply not capable of being anything but poor. Hypothetically, even if resources are divided equally; most of the people would waste them on conspicuous consumption, leaving no money for investing; hence ruining the economy. Capitalistic society flourish because they allocate resources in such a way that people who could invest those resources that produce further capital get most of the resources; ones who do not do that go broke after 2-3 generations.

4. Socialist ideology of poor India, Hungry India punishes people for being smart and intelligent and creates a negative evolutionary pressure, which of already there due to retards breeding like rats. If all bright people leave the country, whole Indic race would consist of retarded braindead Zombies.




While there may be positive spin-off of Space ,and/or defence programs; i would not even comment on that as it would mean that these projects does not have intrinsic worth and should not be pursued in absence of external benefits.

You make very valid points about what ails the Communist thought process and the reasons for unabated brain-drain. But unfortunately, you seem to have failed to get the gist of what Scorpionx is trying to emphasize here, which is the role and duty of the Government towards it's citizens.

Why should a Government that calls itself secular be concerned with whether Hindus collectively want a mandir or Muslims collectively want a Mosque or Christians collectively want a Church? The Law of the land should take it's course and let the religious leaders, not political leaders, of respective communities worry about securing funds and manpower.

The elected Governments have failed in their primary duty, which is to provide material necessities/comforts where needed to our citizens. As such, they should concern themselves with infrastructure, sanitation, defence, food availability, jobs etc. If the Government has done a splendid job in these areas and still has loads of time left on their hands, maybe then they need to concern themselves with matters of religion. But have they done a good job in their primary areas of responsibility so far?

And have you ever come across Scorpionx advocating that industries should not be set up or new companies and offices should not come up or that our people should not get jobs as per their intellectual and professional abilities? Where then, comes this accusation that he's a Communist and his ideology is against development? If anything, he's lamenting most of the times over the wrong priorities taken by our Governments, in that development takes a backburner over other trivial issues in which the Government need not even have a say in the first place!

You need more industries? have it! You want R&D? have it! You want jobs commensurate with your level of intellect? have them! You need good sanitation and clean air and unadulterated food? Have them! You want security against aggression, external and internal? Have it! Only, don't ever say it's the duty of the Government with providing you these necessities....their focus needs to be elsewhere.:coffee:
 
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He doesn't have the tact (read brain) to promote his twisted agenda, see his comments, he is too frank and doesn't even try a bit to hide is eccentricity,...
Modi is smart thats why he doesnt give any position to Dr.Swamy, he is too tactless...
Dr.Swamy doesnt have the brains of Amit Shah, he is just more popular version of Togadia...
Dr.Swamy cannot contribute anything good for this country..
And regarding SL Tamils I think you are too uninformed.. do read about TNA govt and their demads for equal rights that has been turned down by Rajapakse..
Nothing good can happen from him..
If you are so bothered about friendly neighbours, surely Independednt tamil ealam makes better neighbour than Singhalese SL

Why should everyone have tact? It is this tactfulness which has made us a country of spineless wenches. He is unafraid of speaking truth and he should continue to do so. If he had been a tactful person, then neither 2G scam nor the multitude of scams would have ever come to light. He was the one who turned the mood of the people of this country against Congress.

Sri Lanka has a democratic constitution and equal rights does not mean like Pakistanis were demanding in India, 25% Muslims equal to 75% NonMuslims. That kind of parity will never be given anywhere in the world. If you mean 1 person 1 vote, then yes I think Sri Lanka is already following that, if not, then questions may be asked.

No I would not encourage people to break a country due to ethnicity or any narrow identity issue. My country itself is made up by merging many such identities for a greater good.
 
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Why should everyone have tact? It is this tactfulness which has made us a country of spineless wenches. He is unafraid of speaking truth and he should continue to do so. If he had been a tactful person, then neither 2G scam nor the multitude of scams would have ever come to light. He was the one who turned the mood of the people of this country against Congress.

Sri Lanka has a democratic constitution and equal rights does not mean like Pakistanis were demanding in India, 25% Muslims equal to 75% NonMuslims. That kind of parity will never be given anywhere in the world. If you mean 1 person 1 vote, then yes I think Sri Lanka is already following that, if not, then questions may be asked.

No I would not encourage people to break a country due to ethnicity or any narrow identity issue. My country itself is made up by merging many such identities for a greater good.
As i said you are uninformed..
 
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LOL.......... I am 'new' here so can't post links.

You are 231 posts old, you can easily post links, stop giving pathetic excuses.

In any case I see no reason to help you do research just because you are lazy to do it on your own :lol:

You posting generic links only proves my point. Might as well post link to Google and claim it is to help me :sick: ....Pathetic.

So far you have FAILED to prove ANYTHING. You only CLAIM to know something but provide NO EVIDENCE of the same.

Very idiotic, how do I prove that a "Non-existing Law" doesn't exist? Have you lost your mind or you never had any to begin with? :lol:

I have already made my point regarding the jurisdiction of god in Indian legal context. The Legal validity of Hindu marriages sanctified before GOD is considered LEGAL. A Temple marriage is also a legal marriage. Registration is NOT compulsory, its only preferable.

The VERY reason people build temples on the middle of the road and on the unlikeliest of places for unauthorised illegal occupation is not due to sentimental reasons. They in fact take advantage of the point in LAW that once the temple is consecrat the land owernship is AUTOMATICALLY (de-facto) transferred to the deity and the people attached become the caretaker or manager. They do not even have trustee ship rights.

It was the British Religious Endowments Act, 1863 that insisted registration of temples to give them legal cover, however it was DR. SUBAMANIYAM SWAMY who as late as 2009 who won the case for Chidambaram temple and established that registration of trustees is not required for them to get legal cover.

Now you SHUT UP...or don't. Since nothing you say is backed by either logic or evidence, it makes no difference.

If a law doesn't exist, any amount of blabbering doesn't make it an existing law. Your stupid logic doesn't help here. If you have built a temple on your own land and did "Pran pratistha", you don't automatically lose ownership of your land, neither the land & temple automatically gets transferred in the name of the deity, it becomes Debottar only when you voluntarily transfer the title of the property in the name of the deity, otherwise not. Now stop blabbering. As for evidence, if the law is non-existent, do you want proof of its non-existence? Try proving that "Pikomatulegobiztik" is a non-existent animal!! :lol:

As to Narendra Modi pulling down 200 temples in Gandhinagar, Modi image as a Hindutva leader helped him carry out this act without any social or legal repercussion.

His clout with the VHP prevented them from going to the courts challenging his act. If VHP had gone to court, Modi govt. would have lost their case which is why Modi used his influence to get them to back down. If the matter had gone to court, Modi would have lost and and his loss would have damaged any progress Hindutva made, which is why VHP backed down.

I just mentioned Modi pulling down temples to build road just to show you that the temples & its land didn't automatically become the properties of the deities there, they remained government property. And you didn't even get this simple thing!! :lol:
 
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You are 231 posts old, you can easily post links, stop giving pathetic excuses.

Go read forum rules again you fool. You need to be in the forum for a certain minimum number of days to be able to post links. Stop proving that your are an @ss.

Very idiotic, how do I prove that a "Non-existing Law" doesn't exist? Have you lost your mind or you never had any to begin with? :lol:

LOL.... what an absurd argument :lol: ..you are required to evidence the law that exists where temple ownership is transferred to the deity. Give us the pages from your own precious links. :P

If a law doesn't exist, any amount of blabbering doesn't make it an existing law. Your stupid logic doesn't help here. If you have built a temple on your own land and did "Pran pratistha", you don't automatically lose ownership of your land, neither the land & temple automatically gets transferred in the name of the deity, it becomes Debottar only when you voluntarily transfer the title of the property in the name of the deity, otherwise not. Now stop blabbering. As for evidence, if the law is non-existent, do you want proof of its non-existence? Try proving that "Pikomatulegobiztik" is a non-existent animal!! :lol:

If you own land and do a prana prathistha pooja and Consecrate that deity in the temple the that land ownership automatically transfers to the deity. Otherwise the trustees of the temple can always claim that the consercation was not done and try to sell the land :lol: ........Temple land can never to sold to another person. At worse you can only lease it. I have already given an example where the TN govt. forcible tried to take over ownership of the Chidambaram temple.

You are the one making the claims so the onus of the proof is on you :lol: .... don't Pikomatulegobiztik out of it. For all you blabbering, NOT ONE SHRED of evidence has been produced till date :cheesy:

I just mentioned Modi pulling down temples to build road just to show you that the temples & its land didn't automatically become the properties of the deities there, they remained government property. And you didn't even get this simple thing!! :lol:

What do I care why you gave that example :lol: ....... but that example clearly demonstrates why shrines pop up all over the countryside to help lay claim to that land. In Mumbai, next to Hiranandani gardens there is a hanuman temple RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the Road. Nobody can move it because the priests claim that the land and temple belongs to the deity. You will find millions of such examples all over India. Only you are selectively blind to the truth.

High courts of ALL states are filled with cases against such make shift "temples" that the municipality cannot move or demolish. Consult a good lawyer or just google it up.

I am a snake. Or a 'Sunny Leone of the Sangh'. @nair :omghaha:

Looks like being a fence sitter has not helped you much :coffee: .......... learnt any lessons yet ?
 
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Why should a Government that calls itself secular be concerned with whether Hindus collectively want a mandir or Muslims collectively want a Mosque or Christians collectively want a Church? The Law of the land should take it's course and let the religious leaders, not political leaders, of respective communities worry about securing funds and manpower.
Part of the problem is that temples are controlled by the govt in India, and in fact it takes all the revenue (including donations) earned by the temple and any other assets the temple might own. I think this needs to go. Swami was fighting case against this(refer here Freeing temples from state control - The Hindu) Since they take all the revenue, it's not totally unfair to expect the govt to fund the temple. :)

A govt that considers itself secular shouldn't really give Hajj subsidy either ( this is supposed to be ending by 2022).
 
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Bhavya Ram Mandir banega. Zaroor banega.

I think it is the North Indian culture. They have lived too long between people antagonistic to their existence and political correctness has entered their blood stream lest they lose their head literally or end up in a harem watching over the Sultan's ladies.

Cowardice do not respect the north south divide. :P ........ I have seen enough North Indians who has the courage to stand up for their beliefs.

North Indians have fought a LOT more and lost a LOT more than south Indians so its not fair to make that statement. Its their blood sacrifice that kept the south safe for the longest time by delaying the islamic advance.
 
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You are 231 posts old, you can easily post links, stop giving pathetic excuses.



Very idiotic, how do I prove that a "Non-existing Law" doesn't exist? Have you lost your mind or you never had any to begin with? :lol:



If a law doesn't exist, any amount of blabbering doesn't make it an existing law. Your stupid logic doesn't help here. If you have built a temple on your own land and did "Pran pratistha", you don't automatically lose ownership of your land, neither the land & temple automatically gets transferred in the name of the deity, it becomes Debottar only when you voluntarily transfer the title of the property in the name of the deity, otherwise not. Now stop blabbering. As for evidence, if the law is non-existent, do you want proof of its non-existence? Try proving that "Pikomatulegobiztik" is a non-existent animal!! :lol:



I just mentioned Modi pulling down temples to build road just to show you that the temples & its land didn't automatically become the properties of the deities there, they remained government property. And you didn't even get this simple thing!! :lol:
Go read forum rules again you fool. You need to be in the forum for a certain minimum number of days to be able to post links. Stop proving that your are an @ss.



LOL.... what an absurd argument :lol: ..you are required to evidence the law that exists where temple ownership is transferred to the deity. Give us the pages from your own precious links. :P



If you own land and do a prana prathistha pooja and Consecrate that deity in the temple the that land ownership automatically transfers to the deity. Otherwise the trustees of the temple can always claim that the consercation was not done and try to sell the land :lol: ........Temple land can never to sold to another person. At worse you can only lease it. I have already given an example where the TN govt. forcible tried to take over ownership of the Chidambaram temple.

You are the one making the claims so the onus of the proof is on you :lol: .... don't Pikomatulegobiztik out of it. For all you blabbering, NOT ONE SHRED of evidence has been produced till date :cheesy:



What do I care why you gave that example :lol: ....... but that example clearly demonstrates why shires pop up all over the countryside to help lay claim to that land. In Mumbai, next to Hiranandani gardens there is a hanuman temple RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the Road. Nobody can move it because the priests claim that the land and temple belongs to the deity. You will find millions of such examples all over India. Only you are selectively blind to the truth.

High courts of ALL states are filled with cases against such make shift "temples" that the municipality cannot move or demolish. Consult a good lawyer or just google it up.



Looks like being a fence sitter has not helped you much :coffee: .......... lean't any lessons yet ?


In the case of Ayodhya, Ram Lalla was considered a litigant and given 1/3rd the share of the property by the Allahabad court.

Ram Lalla, the litigant in the Ayodhya case

Cowardice do not respect the north south divide. :P ........ I have seen enough North Indians who has the courage to stand up for their beliefs.

North Indians have fought a LOT more and lost a LOT more than south Indians so its not fair to make that statement. Its their blood sacrifice that kept the south safe for the longest time by delaying the islamic advance.

They did fight to save their neck. When they lost, they formed alliances with the Muslims and were attacking the South.

True you will find courage in the Rajasthanis and the Haryavanis (surprising for their proximity to Delhi), but just look at UP and WB. Much of the elite and middle class there are politically correct creatures.

Part of the problem is that temples are controlled by the govt in India, and in fact it takes all the revenue (including donations) earned by the temple and any other assets the temple might own. I think this needs to go. Swami was fighting case against this(refer here Freeing temples from state control - The Hindu Since they take all the revenue, it's not totally unfair to expect the govt to fund the temple. :)

A govt that considers itself secular shouldnt really give Hajj subsidy either ( this is supposed to be ending by 2022).

They are blind and they will not understand this.
 
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In the case of Ayodhya, Ram Lalla was considered a litigant and given 1/3rd the share of the property by the Allahabad court.

Ram Lalla, the litigant in the Ayodhya case

Thank you for bringing that up. :tup: I probably should have done it in the first place, but I thought my posts were clear enough for him to understand ....... instead he went of in a tangent claiming that he was required to prove a negative :cheesy:

I wonder if the "secularist" DRAY will now claim that Ram Lalla was the registered owners of that land and the waqf board transferred that land registration to Ram lalla :lol:
 
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