RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

[SpArK]

Yes, that is correct. F16 is the best. Proven and reliable. India just wants some new toys and is wasting money.

How is that .. most of the countries which operates it are going for newer generations like EFT and Rafale like UAE and all.. If they are that satisfied they should have simply opted for the next version.

 

[deckingraj]

This thread is childish, the F16 continues to win competitions beating the EF and the Rafale - it is a potent platform, proven many times by the Israelis and others.

Just one thing to keep in mind...When a fighter win's a competition then doesn't mean it is more potent than the other....There are two many variables involved primarily

a) Cost of the plane
b) Logistics and Support
c) Technical capabilities of the plane
d) Ease of spare parts
e) Level of baggage attached with the plane
f) Familarity with the Platform

Now if a lesser economy want's to compare F-16 and Rafael than they might end up choosing F-16 even though Rafael may have topped the technical evaluation.....A better economy can still choose F-16 over Rafael because of her airforce is familiar with Platform....That again doesn't make F-16 a better plane than Rafael, but yeah for that particular Air-Force F-16 is a better choice.....

Keep in mind i am also not saying Rafael will beat F-16 any day, however if we keep all other factors constant(Pilots training, formations, howm advantage etc etc) on paper Rafael will look heavier than F-16....

 

[desiman]

Please do not start another thread of this bs. Dude there is no comparison, the only plan come in that category are ef, rafale, and grippen at current situation and also f18. Other then that go fish..... paf currently have over 14 billion they can think of something really good. I wat india to choose rafale so that we can think about grippen or ef if it comes to that.

PAF has 14 Billion ???????? Rupees or dollars lol

 

[ramu]

How is that .. most of the countries which operates it are going for newer generations like EFT and Rafale like UAE and all.. If they are that satisfied they should have simply opted for the next version.

Spark,I was just humouring the die hard fan of F-16.

 

[desiman]

the rafale is a niche toy, the EF is underdeveloped and the europeans hope the indians will buy it to finance tranche 3 which is going to be what the plane was always supposed to be.
The F-18 is a fantastic package as is the Grippen

but :
The F-16 is and will be for sometime the top dog .

it is the do it all plane, an air force with F-16s has a capable air defence as well as strike force

is it fast check
is it agile check
is it a good interceptor/dogfighter check
is it a good bomber / check check
is it reliable / check check check
does it carry lots of available weapons readily ? / check check

is it small enough to support/carry/ fit in current bases and shelters / check

does it have good avionics / check
good radar / check

easy to fly / check

good support by LM / check check



i think the list is too long to carry on .. when you have to build an airforce these are the kind of things you may want to look at, not which plane offers more on paper..

the rafale is a lot younger than the F16 and in the article it clearly showed that it was marginally better (or none at all if you count the fact that shots were counted differently) .. and it costs 3-4 times as much if you count maintanance & infastructure as well...
would you really want to invest that much ???

you really have no idea about what your talking about, Please do some research before posting such things.

 

[SpArK]

Spark,I was just humouring the die hard fan of F-16.

That was my answer for him.. I just didnt wanna quote him.. It will be a menace later.

 

[umair86pk]

Not sure how F-16 block -60 is on par with Rafale.... F-16 MTOW is just 19 tonne while Rafale has 24 tonne...
Rafale do carries CFT... it has a very long range.. has 14 hardpoints.. while F-16 has 11 hard point...
F-16 can carry only 6 AMRAAM
while Rafale will carry atleast 9 AMRAAM...

F-16 can engage only 2 targets at a time... while Rafale can engage 4 targets...

how is F-16 on par with Rafale.. Rafale is on par with MKI...

Everywhere MKI this MKI that its a huge bomb truck that has enormous RCS MKI is comparable to Rafale than why IAF going for Rafale wasting money and time on it buy more superlative Mighty MKI. An unproven design in IAF service has maintenance issues can only use its agility in airshows not with heavy war loads. Comparing F-16 to Rafale is only the Aerodynamics else is that One is medium weight classed aircraft other is heavy class no comparison in category.

 

[umair86pk]

Ok for a moment we assume ur F16 is at par to Rafale.... we can take out ur F16 with Su 30 then ... then our Rafale , Mirage 2000 , Mig 29 can do the further job in a possible war scenario....

F16 Vs Rafale
F16 vs mirage 2000
F16 Vs Mig 29
F16 Vs Sukhoi 30 MKI

F 16 is the best u have... but see what u have to come up against.....

The next topic will be Rafale in IAF service ripped through F/A-22 Raptors while MKIs can defeat any kind of stealth. First teach your pilots how to use their machine than talk about going to war the miserable performance of IAF elite MKI pilots in Red Flag is well known to everyone that they were shoot down friendly aircrafts without AWACS confirmation they were so much impatience only thing they had impressive was their turn around time thats it.

 

[Storm Force]

Umair to be fair its the PDF pakistani fans that keep going around in circles about the F16 Being the best

WHAT everyone keeps forgetting PAF has 18 (one sqaudron) of F16 BLOCK 52 to keep answering SU30MKI, MIRAGE2000 & MIG29 and soon either Typhoon or Rafale.

YES we know about the 45 F16 BLOCK A/B which will be upgraded BUT heck these are vintage earlier model F16 from the 1980s

No offence you cannot compare a 1990 era $40m F16/52 with 15 year old radar & missles & avionics with a $90m late 4th generation typhoon Or rafale. Everything in the rafale is 15 years more modern from RCS reduction, compsite airframe design, radar avionics sensors weapons the lot.

To be fair the 18 NEW F16/52 will just match up to the mig29 smt which nos 69 or even the mirage2000 upgraded dash 5 which are 51 in no.

For rafale and su30mki PAF will need something else i,m sure... A LOT MORE then 18 f16/52

 

[umair86pk]

Umair to be fair its the PDF pakistani fans that keep going around in circles about the F16 Being the best

WHAT everyone keeps forgetting PAF has 18 (one sqaudron) of F16 BLOCK 52 to keep answering SU30MKI, MIRAGE2000 & MIG29 and soon either Typhoon or Rafale.

YES we know about the 45 F16 BLOCK A/B which will be upgraded BUT heck these are vintage earlier model F16 from the 1980s

No offence you cannot compare a 1990 era $40m F16/52 with 15 year old radar & missles & avionics with a $90m late 4th generation typhoon Or rafale. Everything in the rafale is 15 years more modern from RCS reduction, compsite airframe design, radar avionics sensors weapons the lot.

To be fair the 18 NEW F16/52 will just match up to the mig29 smt which nos 69 or even the mirage2000 upgraded dash 5 which are 51 in no.

For rafale and su30mki PAF will need something else i,m sure... A LOT MORE then 18 f16/52

as for your Mirage2000 and MiG-29 they are also vintage even with less capability than PAF F-16 Blk15s. As for your record F-16s being upgraded are getting same systems as Blk50/52+ APG-68V9,AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems,AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems,Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems,Link-16,ALQ-213 etc all from Latest variants.

 

[notorious_eagle]

you really have no idea about what your talking about, Please do some research before posting such things.

How about you counter it instead of trolling. Whatever he said is bang on the spot and is factual, the success of the platform speaks for itself.

 

[IND151]

F-16 and Rafale both are on par in dogfight and turning capability only thing matter is the pilot training that how well they can use their machine to extract the maximum out of them both are 9G highly maneuverable aircraft on is a single engined strike aircraft while other is twin engined heavy air superiority fighter with good attack potential with follow on F2 and F3 standards. Put an AESA in F-16 with Blk 60 avionics its on par with Rafale.

rafale is medium weight fighter. that why it is included in mmrca.

 

[Storm Force]

A we stil debating if a 3rd generation 30 year F16/52 is equal to or nearly equal to a late 4th generation fighter only 5 years old with state of the art equipment. COSTING twice as much.

I,M sure the one squdron of 18 F16/52 will be useful in PAF. but they will need some help i think.

 

[Manticore]

^^^ please contribute something positive-- im really tired of the exact same comments you post in every thread

the upgraded f16s are not as outdated as you potray by saying 3rd gen'' ''30 year old'' fighter

3rd generation 30 year F16/52

 

[umair86pk]

A we stil debating if a 3rd generation 30 year F16/52 is equal to or nearly equal to a late 4th generation fighter only 5 years old with state of the art equipment. COSTING twice as much.

I,M sure the one squdron of 18 F16/52 will be useful in PAF. but they will need some help i think.

everything is old even your mighty SU-30 is 30 years old design. and first thing Block 50/52+ was built around the same time as Rafale was going into service around 2000 and deliverd in 2003. and secondly in the hands of well trained pilot it can take on Rafale easily.