Quetta: LEJ bombs University bus & siege BMC.

[Cheetah786]

Have u guys noticed "Homicide" written on his cap ..

Hair and face protection provided to the monster.

I want these LEJ animals hunted down and brought to Justice.

And how is that going to happen when they wont even stop the money courier who travels back and forth between Riyadh and Raheem yar khan.

 

[niaz]

Dawn editorial published today.


Formidable threat: Lashkar-i-Jhangvi in Balochistan

2013-06-17 04:13:40

AS Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, that claimed responsibility for the horrific violence in Quetta on Saturay, strikes again and again in Balochistan, there may be a temptation to regard it as an out-of-control problem in an out-of-control backwater. But LJ is part of a continuum of militancy and extremism that has a long history and an ever more threatening future — a threat to all of Pakistan, not just particular regions. The history of LJ itself underlines the complexity of the threat from militancy today: what began as an anti-Shia agenda and targeted killings has morphed into an expansive list of targets, some seemingly picked at random and without much concern about whether women or children are direct victims. There is the LJ in Balochistan, which is alleged to have developed links with the Baloch separatists. There is the LJ in the tribal areas, which has long-standing ties to Al Qaeda and now the TTP. There is the LJ in Punjab, which continues to grow and develop its network inside the umbrella Punjabi Taliban. Taken together, they pose a formidable threat across the country, not just Balochistan. And LJ is only one aspect of a multi-dimensional and multi-faceted militancy threat.

The pervasiveness of the threat does not, however, mean that a modular, regional approach to countering it cannot be implemented. In Balochistan, LJ’s rise is intrinsically linked to a security policy that is controlled and directed by the army-led security establishment. The space for non-state actors’ singular obsession with crushing the Baloch insurgency through violence meant that other non-state actors were able to take advantage of the state’s focus elsewhere. Even worse, there are allegations that the obsession with crushing the Baloch insurgency also led to encouraging pro-state Baloch militants who have their own agendas, including developing ties with LJ. The Baloch separatists remain a problem — the shocking destruction in Ziarat on Saturday is evidence enough — but state policy is an even bigger one. Where a political problem — the Baloch insurgency — is being dealt with by brute force, the problem that does require an iron fist — LJ — is being left largely unaddressed. Both policies, extreme action against Baloch separatists and extreme inaction against LJ, must change and for that a reckoning with army-led security policy is needed first.

Beyond Balochistan and LJ, the bigger picture is almost as bleak. The transition to democracy may appear on track but the politicians have so far made no effort to reach for the holy grail: national security and foreign policy. The euphemistically termed non-state actors cannot and must not be elements of this country’s national security and foreign policy because they are the single greatest threat to Pakistan’s security and relations with the world. Will the army listen?

Formidable threat: Lashkar-i-Jhangvi in Balochistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Spring Onion]

These terrorists bastardssss must be dealth strictly

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

The possible links between ISI and LEJ should be investigated.

 

[Menace2Society]

The possible links between ISI and LEJ should be investigated.

So you are suggesting we spend a whole load of money investigating this supposed link, antagonize and divide a national institution only to discover they may have had dealings in the 80s.

Whilst there are Ghadars running around in Baluchistan and FATA blowing up heritage sites and killing women.

We need priorities, and priorities are to uproot TTP, BLA and their sympathizers.

Take your "Pashtun" racial idealism to Afghanistan and live there in the hell hole they have created for themselves.

I am sick of Pakistan being divided on ethnic lines because certain people think they are superior to others.

 

[RuheTag]

Whoever dumbass wrote that editorial for Dawn forgot that there is a civilian govt in charge right now and they are supposed to be responsible for internal security.

If Army is fighting a war against BLA terrorists without the support of Politicians, Media and Judiciary, i.e. taking all the bad repo for this dirty work, do they now want Army to fight to the sectarian terrorists? Sectarian terrorists are primarily based in Punjab where they had safe sanctuaries in last 5 years of Shahbaz Sharif (who was providing monthly stipend to the family of Malik Ishaq).

If Army is to fight these sectarian terrorists, they will have do a crackdown in every city, especially Jhang. But, if Army has to do all this,, Why we need the politician scums' burdon on the national treasury? Why not then hand over control of the country to Army? then you can blame them if they not acting against any terrorist.

Also the claim that army backs or is complicit with LEJ is just BS, because even if they want this for whatever stupid reason, siding with one sectarian outfit who is suppressing another sect would mean creating divisions in army, ISI. Inside Army there is no distinction of Shia or Sunni.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

defending Sahabah's honour is an excuse, these fiends belong to the group of people who spilled the blood of Muslims including the Sahabah & their families as well in addition to Prophet Muhammad PBUH's family.

going by their logic the entire non Muslim world needs to be killed because potentially it would curse Islamic figures. SSP and LeJ's actual target are the innocent and gullible Sunnis who have lived side by side for centuries with all other sects and non Muslims in peace. Sunnis are being targeted and turned into violent and extremists that has nothing to do with being a Sunni.

as long as the sunni leadership doesnt step up and refute the claims of LeJ and refuse it the right to represent Sunnis, nothing will change, this is a downhill journey to chaos, LeJ and its supporters might eliminate all minority sects in Pakistan but their hands wont stop there and will reach the necks of everyone who wishes and dreams that the moment army operation stops against the militants they will also stop killing the majority of us Pakistanis that follow the Sunni faith.

in the other news, Gen Kyani states that the army is ready to face any challenge,

Armed forces ready to face any challenge, says Kayani - DAWN.COM

how very reassuring General, bit too late for our sisters in Quetta.

calling our killers as "angry brothers in the mountains" wont stop them from killing Chourdhary Nisar.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

It is not only sunni leadership. It should be entire Muslim leadership.

 

[RuheTag]

Army needs backup and ownership from political leadership. If they own and back, I don't see why these terrorists, be it Lej or BLA cant be neutralized.

As long as, nobody is owning this war, I don't get how can one blame army for internal law and order situation.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

So you are suggesting we spend a whole load of money investigating this supposed link, antagonize and divide a national institution only to discover they may have had dealings in the 80s.

Whilst there are Ghadars running around in Baluchistan and FATA blowing up heritage sites and killing women.

We need priorities, and priorities are to uproot TTP, BLA and their sympathizers.

Take your "Pashtun" racial idealism to Afghanistan and live there in the hell hole they have created for themselves.

I am sick of Pakistan being divided on ethnic lines because certain people think they are superior to others.

ISI should be leashed and kept in control. There should be check and balance on this rogue spy agency...its finances should be made public and all of its operations should be regulerly briefed to civilian governament.
The investigation is necessary in my opinion, i suspect LEJ has some kind of support from within ranks of ISI. Not only LEJ but the moles in ISI are possibly providing help to TTP...marriot hotel blast, attack on mehran and kamra air bases smells of tipping off to TTP from moles within ISI.
We also know that ISI is supporting Haqqani network who trains young boys for suicide bombing. A proper investigation on ISI should be launched and it should be determined how much they are involved in radicalizing pakhtun belt.
Moreover their involvement in missing person and kill and dump balochs should also be investigated.

 

[Roybot]

As long as terrorist organizations like Jud(LeT) is allowed to openly preach hate and violence to your young ones and youth, this kinda carnage will keep happening.

You can not control and channelize hate, its futile. Stop trying to juggle your good terrorist and bad terrorist.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Absolutely true. 100% agree. What goes around, that comes around.

As long as terrorist organizations like Jud(LeT) is allowed to openly preach hate and violence to your young ones and youth, this kinda carnage will keep happening.

You can not control and channelize hate, its futile. Stop trying to juggle your good terrorist and bad terrorist.

 

[Guest01]

So you are suggesting we spend a whole load of money investigating this supposed link, antagonize and divide a national institution only to discover they may have had dealings in the 80s.

Whilst there are Ghadars running around in Baluchistan and FATA blowing up heritage sites and killing women.

We need priorities, and priorities are to uproot TTP, BLA and their sympathizers.

Take your "Pashtun" racial idealism to Afghanistan and live there in the hell hole they have created for themselves.

I am sick of Pakistan being divided on ethnic lines because certain people think they are superior to others.

It is necessary that the genesis of these terrorist groups be looked in to. No use overlooking the Elephant in the room. Pakistani Army was the originating axis of all these terror and sundry groups and that is not any more a deniable fact. Why is it necessary?

Plainly because what needs to be seen is the REASON for their genesis.

The reason was the willingness of the Pakistani Army to create proxies to CONTROL & LIMIT the opinion and ground situation inside Pakistan (Bloody Civilian Types) and also outside Pakistan (The Afghanistan Backyard & The Hindu Baniyas & at one point of time the grand design also included the Shias of Iran).

Does that willingness still exist?

Looking at the affinity for the Good Taliban and the Proverbial NON - STATE ACTORS, clearly the reason STILL EXISTS!

Though it is said many times, but one cannot once again help but add that there is no selectiveness in terrorism. The only difference between Freedom Struggle (as they are so often fondly called in Pakistan) and Terrorists is the clarity of objective and the clear identification of enemy. In the muddle that the Pakistani Army has created, there are several of these Freedom Fighters (Terrorists??) who are not only seeking freedom often from each other and in general also from Pakistan because the objective that was provided to them was to seek a "Pure Muslim State". Could there be more lack of clarity of objective and that of the enemy? ( ).

If these groups need to be reined in, it has to happen under the political will and leadership, by an army which follows more orders than keeping political aspirations or seeking Strategic Depth of the types which is currently evidently sinking Pakistan. Unwilling army individuals need to be cut to size if necessary and removed completely from the scene. Only then, with a lot of sacrifices over a long period will this problem START diminishing. But hey, there needs to be a start eh..

Or take the easier way out.... legalize their opinion and direct them all to India, Afghanistan, Iran as was done all the while and allow Pakistan to be even more radicalized very quickly and become truly a country of Mohhammadens.

And hey, respect the ethnicities. Diversity is good.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

LeJ ka leader Abid Raza PMLN kay ticket per jhet ker National assembly mein betha hai, he was convicted for murders by court, later released by higher court is now MNA.

imagine !

I have heard that the saudis are funding for more than 100 masjids in pakistan,clearly they want to convert pakistan into a wahabi state, that is why we both Shia and Sunni are under attack by them.

Imran Khan cannot do anything about them, he is just a man, Army is an institution, they can do, dont know whether its the Saudi pressure or sheer unwillingness to stop LeJ/Extremism !!

Can someone in the military comment on what is the current popular thinking within the Army when it comes to dealing with LeJ?

Admittedly, the military establishment foolishly enough, nurtured these thugs for so-called strategic reasons back in the day.

That said, one would like to think the military has learnt its lesson and has turned the page.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

i suspect LEJ has some kind of support from within ranks of ISI. Not only LEJ but the moles in ISI are possibly providing help to TTP...marriot hotel blast, attack on mehran and kamra air bases smells of tipping off to TTP from moles within ISI.
We also know that ISI is supporting Haqqani network who trains young boys for suicide bombing.

What is the military doing to weed out these LeJ and TTP sympathizers/moles?