Qatar: Talks with Pakistan over Mirage 2000-5s

[Raider 21]

UPGRADED INDIAN MIRAGE2000

IT LOOKS A BEAUTY

Looks like a Frenchie to me.

 

[Wolf]

Sir,

It is public news---. I am not being rude---you need to use your brains when reading and replying---. I stated that the Paf donated those funds in earthquake relief---. The air marshall is on record to make these statements---.

I mean to say---there is a limit to the level of idiocy---you talk about professional discussions on a military related forum---but cannot grasp simple information.

Sir, I wanted to quote a friend of mine who happens to be a squadron leader in PAF and an avionics engineer. He said some things which were new to me and they appear sorry to say ridiculous. But I hope , I am wrong or he may be hiding things. As follows
1) he says PESA radar is useful and better an AESA as AESA produces some kind of extra or more electromagnetic environment and easy to track as compared to jet having PESA
2) BVR missiles are ineffective if fired from greater ranges and won't score hit. Jets have to come close to around 15 km to score a hit.
3) our block 52s are ok and we can counter kill switches.
4) Su 35s are maintenance nightmare
5) our F 16s which are old ones have been manipulated a lot and different technologies have been incorporated in them making them more effective. If true, great!

I disagree with first 2 points. Partially agree with 3rd and willing to agree on 4th and 5th

Your comments please.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir, I wanted to quote a friend of mine who happens to be a squadron leader in PAF and an avionics engineer. He said some things which were new to me and they appear sorry to say ridiculous. But I hope , I am wrong or he may be hiding things. As follows
1) he says PESA radar is useful and better an AESA as AESA produces some kind of extra or more electromagnetic environment and easy to track as compared to jet having PESA
2) BVR missiles are ineffective if fired from greater ranges and won't score hit. Jets have to come close to around 15 km to score a hit.
3) our block 52s are ok and we can counter kill switches.
4) Su 35s are maintenance nightmare
5) our F 16s which are old ones have been manipulated a lot and different technologies have been incorporated in them making them more effective. If true, great!

I disagree with first 2 points. Partially agree with 3rd and willing to agree on 4th and 5th

Your comments please.

Hi,

He is wrong on BVR----. Does he think that the nations spending 500k 1mil 1.5 mil on a BVR missiles are stupid.

Does he think that the designers of F22---F35--J20--J31--Pakfa or other stealth aircraft are dumb for building these aircraft---.

These stealth aircraft are primarily dependant on their bvr capabilties---.

If pesa was better---then there would be no aesa.

Off course SU will be a maintenance nightmare

He is right about the F16's

At least he admitted that kill switches exist.

 

[GuardianRED]

Looks like a Frenchie to me.

See the Fin Flash ... of the IAF... French air force don't have them

 

[Raider 21]

See the Fin Flash ... of the IAF... French air force don't have them

Haha I know that sir. Just stating the obvious that it is of French design.

 

[GuardianRED]

Haha I know that sir. Just stating the obvious that it is of French design.

Hhehe... To be PC ... its French Designed and Built!

 

[araz]

Hi,

He is wrong on BVR----. Does he think that the nations spending 500k 1mil 1.5 mil on a BVR missiles are stupid.

Does he think that the designers of F22---F35--J20--J31--Pakfa or other stealth aircraft are dumb for building these aircraft---.

These stealth aircraft are primarily dependant on their bvr capabilties---.

If pesa was better---then there would be no aesa.

Off course SU will be a maintenance nightmare

He is right about the F16's

At least he admitted that kill switches exist.

Perhaps what he meant was a BVR fired at the extreme limit of its range rather than in the kill zone which is shorter than the maximum range of a BVR missile.
As to kill switches----- No comment!!.
A

 

[MastanKhan]

Perhaps what he meant was a BVR fired at the extreme limit of its range rather than in the kill zone which is shorter than the extreme range of a BVR missile.
As to kill switches----- No comment!!.
A

Hi,

Well that comes down to kill ratio at max range to kill ratio at 80%---70%---60%---50% range.

Kill ratios of the worst BVR missiles is extremely high at 50%---60% of its total flight range---.

Supposedly a bvr missile with a max range of 100 km has a 80% kill ratio at 50% range when launched from that shorter distance---ie 50----31.5 miles---.

Now when a volley of 4 missiles is launched by an aircraft at one target---then what is the multiplier effect.

Can a target successfuly evade all these missiles within seconds of the other?

 

[Hell hound]

Sir, I wanted to quote a friend of mine who happens to be a squadron leader in PAF and an avionics engineer. He said some things which were new to me and they appear sorry to say ridiculous. But I hope , I am wrong or he may be hiding things. As follows
1) he says PESA radar is useful and better an AESA as AESA produces some kind of extra or more electromagnetic environment and easy to track as compared to jet having PESA
2) BVR missiles are ineffective if fired from greater ranges and won't score hit. Jets have to come close to around 15 km to score a hit.
3) our block 52s are ok and we can counter kill switches.
4) Su 35s are maintenance nightmare
5) our F 16s which are old ones have been manipulated a lot and different technologies have been incorporated in them making them more effective. If true, great!

I disagree with first 2 points. Partially agree with 3rd and willing to agree on 4th and 5th

Your comments please.

1)he is right and wrong at the same time aesa is better then pesa but it do give more radiation then pesa as unlike pesa it every module is sending a wave thats why you don't keep your radar active 100% of the time it give away your position even stealth plane will give away their location if radar is turned on. only one aircraft is needed to use the radar and rest should relay on its data through data links any lay the traps if possible.
2)bvr losses their energy and maneuverability with the passage of time it is at its max energy at 3 to 4 sec after launch after that they start losing energy and at the end of their rage they almost become complete dud reason for this is that they carry limited fuel and can't keep their motor on throughout the flight.another thing to keep in mind is active missile have their own radar which when activated give away the missiles position on rwr and then starts the game of cat and mouse if air plane is successful in jamming or depleting missile energy it will miss. far away the missile is more time the plane has to activate its EW and do energy depletion maneuvers.when if the missile reaches the plane maneuvers EW and it own fuel limitation would have drooped it PK to almost nill. hence bvr is best fired at approx half of its max range

Hi,

Well that comes down to kill ratio at max range to kill ratio at 80%---70%---60%---50% range.

Kill ratios of the worst BVR missiles is extremely high at 50%---60% of its total flight range---.

Supposedly a bvr missile with a max range of 100 km has a 80% kill ratio at 50% range when launched from that shorter distance---ie 50----31.5 miles---.

Now when a volley of 4 missiles is launched by an aircraft at one target---then what is the multiplier effect.

Can a target successfuly evade all these missiles within seconds of the other?

he easily can if fired at him at max range all he has to do is turn around and get out of there with full thrust.

 

[umair86pk]

I don't know why people are in a illusion that Russia is selling us SU-35. Buy 50, 30 40 of them who is selling us these.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I don't know why people are in a illusion that Russia is selling us SU-35. Buy 50, 30 40 of them who is selling us these.

everything is possible sir

 

[MastanKhan]

1)
he easily can if fired at him at max range all he has to do is turn around and get out of there with full thrust.

Hi,

There is nothing magical about that---post something that we don't know or understand---.

 

[jupiter2007]

OMG, 21 pages and so much bandwidth wasted for 12 Qatari Mirage 2000-5s.....

 

[Hell hound]

Hi,

There is nothing magical about that---post something that we don't know or understand---.

then why are you quoting pk ratio close to 60% at the end range of missile.

 

[graphican]

Perhaps what he meant was a BVR fired at the extreme limit of its range rather than in the kill zone which is shorter than the maximum range of a BVR missile.
As to kill switches----- No comment!!.
A

Sir Araz,

Your "no comment" is actually a comment.