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[Proudpakistaniguy]

Zarwan I assure you I'm getting all these checked and verified. But let me also point out, the era, situation was different. They were in warzones or during militant period.

Blasphemy law isn't authentic and can't be applied to non-Muslims because they aren't of Islamic belief. The most that's been said is they can get punished (sentenced/fined) but not killed within Muslim states.


You have stated warzone Hadiths, we are discussing amateurs who talk of ignorance. There's a huge difference.

I am not saying that there should not be any laws against insulting people or hurting their religious sentiment intentionally which normally come under hate speech but there is a clear difference between blasphemy and treachery. While treachery against state and people were dealt harshly by the Islamic state but the blasphemy was never considered a justifiable reason for capital punishment death penalty

KAAB wasn't killed for attempted murder he was killed for Blasphemy and it was considered same by every one until now some people try to do deny it. And please go study Quran again

You should read this
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/205/forgiveness-of-muhammad-shown-to-non-muslims-part-1

You are committing blasphemy by saying that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) preferred revenge over mercy and forgiveness. Prophet

said: "He who does not show mercy (to others) will not be shown mercy (by Allah)."

Allah has made his sending forth of the Prophet

as a mercy to all of creation, as He Says (what means): "And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a mercy to the worlds." [Quran 21:107] The word "worlds" ('Aalameen) is general and includes the world of the humans, the world of the Jinn, the world of the animals, the world of the birds, as well as the nations found on land and in the sea.

 

[Zarvan]

I am not saying that there should not be any laws against insulting people or hurting their religious sentiment intentionally which normally come under hate speech but there is a clear difference between blasphemy and treachery. While treachery against state and people were dealt harshly by the Islamic state but the blasphemy was never considered a justifiable reason for capital punishment death penalty


You should read this
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/205/forgiveness-of-muhammad-shown-to-non-muslims-part-1

You are committing blasphemy by saying that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) preferred revenge over mercy and forgiveness. Prophet

said: "He who does not show mercy (to others) will not be shown mercy (by Allah)."

Allah has made his sending forth of the Prophet

as a mercy to all of creation, as He Says (what means): "And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a mercy to the worlds." [Quran 21:107] The word "worlds" ('Aalameen) is general and includes the world of the humans, the world of the Jinn, the world of the animals, the world of the birds, as well as the nations found on land and in the sea.

For Blasphemy death penalty as always been given in time of RASOOL SAW and his 4 Caliphs and up till Ottomans punishment of death for Blasphemy was given

 

[sur]

I am going to re-post an older post:

Post #9 in the link below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/should-blasphemy-laws-be-banned.467485/


And no death sentence: instead I see recommendation to deal with ignorant with forgiveness.
Q:73:10:And be patient (O Muhammad SAW) with what they say, and keep away from them in a good way.
Q:9:74:....but indeed they uttered blasphemy, .... but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them.... (NOT us,,, but ALLAH will take care of them HIMSELF. It's NOT made our job to penalize them.)
Q:28:55:And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."
Q:7:199:Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant.
Q:25:63:And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Gracious (Allâh) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness....other translation...And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say "Peace!"


Q:16:126:"And if you punished, let your punishment be proportionate to the wrong that has been done to you; but if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.
Q:62:40:"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto: but if a person forgets and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah."
Q:28:54:"Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, (and) they avert evil with good."

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Ghulam Murtaza Malik spoke few of above incidences here:
@ 9:40+ mother of a companion blasphemed. Listen how Prophet responded. Now it's upto you whose example you want to follow... Prophet prayed for her. Did not call for death sentence...

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Again @ 4:00+
Qureish even sweared at Prophet, kantay bichaay, galay mai phandaa daalaa, camel's stomach (oojhrey) oper phainkee, patharr maraay = blasphemy, blasphemy, blasphemy...!!! But how did he respond!!! When he over-powered them all at fatah-e-makkkah...!!! He practiced forgiveness... That`s Sunnah.

Like others pointed out, the only time when death sentence was given, the person was involved in "Fasaad", not just blasphemy.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

For Blasphemy death penalty as always been given in time of RASOOL SAW and his 4 Caliphs and up till Ottomans punishment of death for Blasphemy was given

You are projecting Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in same evil way as some non Muslim does. Tell me why prophet Muhammad(PBUH) did not killed this woman who used to throw trash at him whenever he went for prayers? then one day she fell sick and could not throw the garbage, so the Prophet (PBUH) visited her. Then it is said that she was so amazed at his character that she realized his Prophethood and accepted Islam. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) never took revenge on anyone for personal reasons and always forgave even his firm enemies

Have you read about Abu sufyan and hind bint Utbah? Hind used to mutilate the corpses of the dead Muslims and she used to cuff off their ears and nose to make neckless . She gouged out the liver of beloved Uncle of Prophet Muhammad hadrat Hamza(R.A) so tell me how she was treated by Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ?

The people of the Quraysh rebuked him, taunted and mocked at him, beat him and abused him. They tried to kill him and when he left for Madinah, they waged many wars against him. Yet when he entered Makkah victorious with an army of 10,000, he did not take revenge on anyone. He forgave all. Even his deadliest enemy, Abu Sufyan, who had fought so many battles against him, was forgiven. Why? I am sure you know the story of taif as well. Why you are ignoring all these examples ?

 

[Musafir117]

But blasphemy is included in the meanings of fasad because it provoke public and result in fasad punishment of fasad in Holy Quran is death. Allama Iqbal and Qaudi e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah also supported Ghazi Ilmuddin shaheed the killer of blasphemer so this law is part of ideology of Pakistan

You are free man you chose what logic tell you! I believed that Mohsin e Insaniet Rehm tul Alemeen Mohammad SAW can't order to kill some coz of he/she just insulted him And Quran said Allah will punish them not me and you! Or stay away from that majalis where people malign or insulted prophet or Allah.

 

[WarFariX]

State has prime responsibility of punishing those who commit Blasphemy and also those who bring false accusations. The moment State starts doing this both mob attacks will reduce also false accusations will reduce and instead of take law in there own hands people will report to Police about those who commit Blasphemy.

@Horus

Already this problem of taking law in own hands is in majority in pakistan due to failure of respective authorities . Killing someone does'nt justify blasephmy , why to kill a person for that . He must be handed over to law enforcement agencies , those who handover have done their part complete and even if justice is not served , the handlers have done their part and they will be rewarded. However state must set very strict laws in these cases to avoid oublic fights . they must set example by hanging 2/3 bastards so in future , people will think twice before doing blasephmy in an islamic country

For Blasphemy death penalty as always been given in time of RASOOL SAW and his 4 Caliphs and up till Ottomans punishment of death for Blasphemy was given

You are projecting Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in same evil way as some non Muslim does. Tell me why prophet Muhammad(PBUH) did not killed this woman who used to throw trash at him whenever he went for prayers? then one day she fell sick and could not throw the garbage, so the Prophet (PBUH) visited her. Then it is said that she was so amazed at his character that she realized his Prophethood and accepted Islam. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) never took revenge on anyone for personal reasons and always forgave even his firm enemies

Have you read about Abu sufyan and hind bint Utbah? Hind used to mutilate the corpses of the dead Muslims and she used to cuff off their ears and nose to make neckless . She gouged out the liver of beloved Uncle of Prophet Muhammad hadrat Hamza(R.A) so tell me how she was treated by Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ?

The people of the Quraysh rebuked him, taunted and mocked at him, beat him and abused him. They tried to kill him and when he left for Madinah, they waged many wars against him. Yet when he entered Makkah victorious with an army of 10,000, he did not take revenge on anyone. He forgave all. Even his deadliest enemy, Abu Sufyan, who had fought so many battles against him, was forgiven. Why? I am sure you know the story of taif as well. Why you are ignoring all these examples ?

The reason why no blasephmer was killed at Nabi S.A.W time was because Nabi SAW had strong beliefe that perhaps Allah might someday show them right path . Example is Umar R.A , women who threw garvbage , Taif population


Apart from this all , the real thing that grinds me is that these pseudo liberals from the first second of this incident , use this story for their own selfish purpose , believe me they dont give a shit to mashal khan's murder , they just need something SOME EXCUSE to continue their Anti islam mindset and bark like everytime they do . I have been reading all newspapers throughout the world recently and believe me for 3 continuous days , all newspapers are again and again reporting this shit and their message is all about freedom of speech shit . WEST WANTS WHOLE WORLD TO FOLLOW LIKE HER. they want their mindset to be accepted everywhere....The reason mashal khan incident is given air is because they want to portray pakistan as shit . Whereas the muslim women judge found dead in US was just a 1 min news after which it vanished...Kashmir news vanished....Syria news vanished MOAB vanished....wtf is going around in this biased world...our own people are licking @sses of these anti pak elements and supporting their cause instead of taking our side..such a shame

 

[RangeMaster]

You are projecting Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) in same evil way as some non Muslim does. Tell me why prophet Muhammad(PBUH) did not killed this woman who used to throw trash at him whenever he went for prayers? then one day she fell sick and could not throw the garbage, so the Prophet (PBUH) visited her. Then it is said that she was so amazed at his character that she realized his Prophethood and accepted Islam. Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) never took revenge on anyone for personal reasons and always forgave even his firm enemies

Have you read about Abu sufyan and hind bint Utbah? Hind used to mutilate the corpses of the dead Muslims and she used to cuff off their ears and nose to make neckless . She gouged out the liver of beloved Uncle of Prophet Muhammad hadrat Hamza(R.A) so tell me how she was treated by Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ?

The people of the Quraysh rebuked him, taunted and mocked at him, beat him and abused him. They tried to kill him and when he left for Madinah, they waged many wars against him. Yet when he entered Makkah victorious with an army of 10,000, he did not take revenge on anyone. He forgave all. Even his deadliest enemy, Abu Sufyan, who had fought so many battles against him, was forgiven. Why? I am sure you know the story of taif as well. Why you are ignoring all these examples ?

Read below if you can understand Urdu.Rasool SAW himself ordered his companions to murder those people who used to abuse him.
If you are quoting the events of Fatah-e-Makah then quote them completely,not just first part.

These people about whom I am posting below have spend their lives to promote Islam.Today we are Muslims and all the teachings of Hazrat Muhammad SAW are easily available because of these people.These are not "Molvis" which we often talk about.To find and learn one Hadith of Hazrat Muhammad SAW some of them've travelled thousands of miles.
I think A person who has devoted his whole life to Islam has better understanding what Holy Prophet' teachings were.

 

[CriticalThought]

In matters of Islamic Law, the Holy Quran always takes precedence as it is the direct, unchanged word of Allah. Hadith, Seerat etc is very important, but we must check to make sure it doesn't conflict with the Quran as Hadith were narrated by humans, who can make mistakes.

It doesn't matter how valid the scholars are, they have to support their claims with verses from the Quran. Just because they are scholars doesn't mean they can say whatever they want.

Unfortunately, what you are telling me is that you have no idea how Sharia and its commandments work. This thread is not about teaching the basics of Islamic theology and jurisprudence, so not much else can be discussed.

 

[RangeMaster]

Here's the English version of the first one;

Ka'ab bin al-Ashraf was killed for trying to murder the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) and for trying to raise armed opposition to the Muslims in wartime, which is treason. Blasphemy was not his only crime.

Similarly, Abu Rafi was responsible for rallying the tribes to attack the Muslims in the Battle of Khandaq, which is why he was killed.

Here is a detailed study of this event;


The Qur'an clearly states that it is better to forgive blasphemers and that Allah will punish them if they deserve punishment:


The death penalty is reserved for murder, rebellion/treason and fasad fil-ard (spreading disorder in the land)

Here's the English version of the first one;

Ka'ab bin al-Ashraf was killed for trying to murder the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) and for trying to raise armed opposition to the Muslims in wartime, which is treason. Blasphemy was not his only crime.

Similarly, Abu Rafi was responsible for rallying the tribes to attack the Muslims in the Battle of Khandaq, which is why he was killed.

Here is a detailed study of this event;


The Qur'an clearly states that it is better to forgive blasphemers and that Allah will punish them if they deserve punishment:


The death penalty is reserved for murder, rebellion/treason and fasad fil-ard (spreading disorder in the land)

Go for my second post on page#9.There you will find your answer

 

[CriticalThought]

Phir wing commandeer Yaser ke show ki tayyari karlo

Yessssssssss looking forward to it.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

State has prime responsibility of punishing those who commit Blasphemy and also those who bring false accusations. The moment State starts doing this both mob attacks will reduce also false accusations will reduce and instead of take law in there own hands people will report to Police about those who commit Blasphemy.

@Horus

Definitely its a fault of Gov since Gov is fail to implement law. On top of that politicians comes in public and do politics on these issues instead of correct it they just talk. i say if they can put ban on Kites in Lahore they can do anything they decide.
they are just too busy to loot money from Pakistanies.

 

[RangeMaster]

In matters of Islamic Law, the Holy Quran always takes precedence as it is the direct, unchanged word of Allah. Hadith, Seerat etc is very important, but we must check to make sure it doesn't conflict with the Quran as Hadith were narrated by humans, who can make mistakes.

It doesn't matter how valid the scholars are, they have to support their claims with verses from the Quran. Just because they are scholars doesn't mean they can say whatever they want.

Seerat is not like some book of tecnology or literature.Have you got any knowledge of Hadith?Islam is a collection of Quran and Hadith and to be a Muslim it is strongly recommended that you must've firm faith in Quran and Hadith.The people who've narrated Hadith are not like some ordinary guy.They've searched for every single saying of Holy prophet and its authentication by statements of dozens of peole.

 

[Yaseen1]

every one can take any meaning from any verse of Holy Quran and Hadith Mubarak .ttp and isis use them to kill innocents .My advise to you is that to remain with jammat of Muslms and the Islamic laws which are accepted by all Islamic schools of thought have value and validity because religious scholars have spend their whole lives in understanding Islamic principles.We have not attained enough knowledge of Islam so we have to follow the authentic religious scholars and the work of our ancestors in attaining Islamic knowledge

You are free man you chose what logic tell you! I believed that Mohsin e Insaniet Rehm tul Alemeen Mohammad SAW can't order to kill some coz of he/she just insulted him And Quran said Allah will punish them not me and you! Or stay away from that majalis where people malign or insulted prophet or Allah.

 

[Divergent]

Let's buy for the sake of the argument that blasphemy laws are part of the Faith (though they're not) - technically speaking, because the law is 'Islamic' it only applies to Muslims then. You can't apply Muslim laws on non-Muslims. Just like you can't prevent them from eating pork just because it's haram for you.

Faith is based on logic too.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Who banned non-Muslims from eating Pork , even some Muslims eat it in Pakistan and easily available just ask those who eat it , (they we tell you where to find) ,
Now eating Pork and Blasphemy are to totally different things , as they say in Democracy majority rules for that , Do you know Supreme Court of India banned Azaan on Loud speakers form 10pm to 6am (if I m right about time) Y because Hindu majority get disturbed by that . And Y Azaan not allowed in any EU country (don't tell me about east London) Because Christian majority get disturb.
Same rule apply in Pakistan , where Muslims are in Majority 98% and all of them are very sensitive and emotional about Blasphemy so for the Majority there is a law and all other have to obey .
Like Hindu are in majority and for them Cow is Holly animal and they are passing so many Laws about Cow , And forcing Muslims to Fallow. You even find out Cow protector groups checking all the trucks with Animals .