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[Divergent]

I will tell you ALL something that will either be disliked or admired.

The State is EXTREMELY SMART. Ever wonder why no death penalties have taken place on Non-Muslims? LOL

They KNOW section 295-C's background but to avoid chaos they haven't touched the constitute but don't abide to it either LOL.

They stick to the law before the amendment.

I love these guys!!!

Simply geniuses

 

[Fawadqasim1]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=-nNN4McWkNA
puts things into perspective somewhat thanks God I am neither religious fanatic nor liberal fanatic

 

[CHACHA"G"]

 

[CHACHA"G"]

 

[The Sandman]

People who support this law are actually committing blasphemy it's them who're hurting the image of Islam they've failed to provide even 1 Ayat from Quran which supports this law yet they still believe that death penalty is the punishment for Blasphemy it's you people who are actually now opposing the Quran and the teachings of Holy Prophet (SAW) it's you people who are (NauzbillAh, NauzbillAh) maligning the image of Holy Prophet an anti Islam guy who hates Islam doesn't need to do anything he can just show all of the above posts to do his anti Islam propaganda.

Did Prophet killed those who criticized him?

The untold story of Pakistan’s blasphemy law

@TankMan @Azlan Haider @Proudpakistaniguy @Divergent1

 

[CHACHA"G"]

 

[Divergent]

Let me make this clear in simple terms so its easier:

- Capital punishment requires capital offence in the law of Faith.
- Non-Muslims who commit blasphemy should be sentenced/fined/charged but not killed.
- Anti-Islam pages/movement are put on shut-down without any further dispute
- Those proven should serve sentence and put on warnings.
- Blasphemy Laws shouldn't be limited to non-Muslims but equally if a Muslim is hurting sentiments of fellow Christians or whatever the belief may be then the same is applicable to them.

Justice is what keeps Law & Order.

The State knows exactly what they're doing. Playing it smart. They know their audience.

 

[M. Sarmad]

But blasphemy is included in the meanings of fasad because it provoke public and result in fasad punishment of fasad in Holy Quran is death. Allama Iqbal and Qaudi e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah also supported Ghazi Ilmuddin shaheed the killer of blasphemer so this law is part of ideology of Pakistan

Blasphemy itself is NOT Fasad . Fasad fil Arz/Fitnah and Blasphemy have been mentioned separately in the Holy Qur'an.


Blasphemy has been mentioned a number of times in the Holy Qur'an and Allah tells us to ignore blasphemers and leave it to him to decide their fate. "Fasad fil Arz" has also been mentioned and we are ordered to kill those "mufsideen"


The Holy Quran prescribes severe punishment for spreading "Al-Fitnah" or "Al-Fasaad" on Allah's land (5:33). Allah tells us that Fitnah is worse than killing (2:191) ...... FITNAH means unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler. and FASAD means spreading mischief in a Muslim land, creating disorder in the Muslim community, or a revolution or war against a just government/establishment, or other similar things..


As for hate speech/blasphemy, the Holy Qur'an does not prescribe any worldly punishment for this offense. Quite the contrary, Allah tells us to ignore and avoid blasphemers, and leave it to Allah almighty to decide their fate (9:74, 4:140, 28:55, 7:199)


If we accept your interpretation that blasphemy itself is Fasad fil Arz, then we will have to accept that the Holy Qur'an contradicts itself as it tells us to ignore blasphemers in few verses (including those revealed in Medina i.e. 4:140) while simultaneously asking us to kill them in some other verses....

Moreover, Pakistan Penal Code has section related to "Blasphemy", and it accepts the Quranic principle of "Fasad fil Arz" ... But it does not recognize/declare blasphemy as "Fasad fil Arz"

Also the consensus among the Majority of Ulema in the past had been that Blasphemy is a pardonable offense... Which means that they also didn't consider Blasphemy itself as "Fasad fil Arz"



So, your assertion is in contradiction with the Holy Qur'an, Hadith, and the consensus of the ulema of the past, therefore it can't be accepted

Qaudi e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah also supported Ghazi Ilmuddin shaheed the killer of blasphemer

1) Jinnah was not the trial lawyer. Ilam Din had entered the not guilty plea through his trial lawyer who was a lawyer from Lahore named Farrukh Hussain. The trial court ruled against Ilam Din. The trial lawyer appealed in the Lahore High Court and got Jinnah to appear as the lawyer in appeal.


2) Jinnah did not defend the actions of Ilam Din. He had attacked the evidence on legal grounds. Jinnah’s contention was that the evidence produced before the trial court was insufficient and the prosecution story was dubious. The court did not accept Jinnah's contention


3) Mr Jinnah finally contended that the sentence of death was not called for and urged as extenuating circumstances, that the appellant is only 19 or 20 years of age and that his act was prompted by feelings of veneration for the founder of his religion and anger at one who had scurrilously attacked him. This contention was rejected as well

 

[TankMan]

Seerat is not like some book of tecnology or literature.Have you got any knowledge of Hadith?Islam is a collection of Quran and Hadith and to be a Muslim it is strongly recommended that you must've firm faith in Quran and Hadith.The people who've narrated Hadith are not like some ordinary guy.They've searched for every single saying of Holy prophet and its authentication by statements of dozens of peole.

Sure, yeah, you're right. I know very well the process of gathering and authenticating Hadith, and people like Imam Bukhari were definitely very careful and meticulous in their approach when they were compiling the hadith.

We must be equally careful when interpreting them.

Do you not agree that the Qur'an is the supreme authority in Islamic matters? How can you deny the Qur'anic verses on the basis of some out context hadiths?

If there is a conflict between the Quran and the Hadith, that doesn't necessarily mean the Hadith is wrong - it probably means it is being interpreted wrong.

But as a matter of principle, Quran is above Hadith.

 

[I S I]

Religious topics aren't allowed on PDF. Even Mods breaking their own created rules.

 

[TankMan]

- Blasphemy Laws shouldn't be limited to non-Muslims but equally if a Muslim is hurting sentiments of fellow Christians or whatever the belief may be then the same is applicable to them.

I agree with this fully, there should be a penalty for insulting religious sentiments of any religious group, similar to hate-speech laws in other parts of the world.

The Pakistan Penal code is supposed to have this in it, but I don't think it's enforced properly;

298 Uttering of any word or making any sound or making any gesture or placing of any object in the sight with the deliberate intention of wounding the religious feelings of any person. 1 years imprisonment, or fine, or both

298A Use of derogatory remarks etc., in respect of holy personages. 1980 3 years imprisonment, or fine, or both

Religious topics aren't allowed on PDF. Even Mods breaking their own created rules.

This isn't as much a religious topic as it is a sociopolitical issue, as long as the discussion is civil I don't see why it shouldn't be discussed.

 

[R Wing]

Not really. We should have the maturity to discuss issues that are plaguing our society. Removing this thread won't remove the fact that people all over the world know about it.

But the thing is, the people who are descending down like vultures are exactly the same people who DO NOT start threads of indignation when the first Muslim woman judge in the US is found dead in a river. This is not about 'humanity', 'islam', or 'prophet'. It's about the fact that they do not consider the punishment of blasphemy to be death and they will use every excuse to run circles around the punishment of death penalty for blasphemy.

The discussion we need to be having is why the state fails to implement the punishment, which is leading people to take the law in their own hands.

Or if death really needs to be the punishment for blasphemy, given the tricky nature of accusations, proof, etc. Pakistan's blasphemy law was drafted by a man. It is not a Divine Law. It is not in the Quran. Surely, as has been the case for a thousand years of Islamic discourse leading to various different schools of thought and rulings on various subjects pertaining to the practice of the religion and implementation of its laws, we can discuss the intellectual and moral merits of this law. It shouldn't mean an automatic death sentence by a bunch of hooligans whose Islam begins and ends with judgement and violence.

Isn't it a form of blasphemy when we do the exact opposite of what our Prophet (PBUH) expected of us every day --- when we lie, cheat each other, take/give bribes and satisfy our blood-lust using religious excuses? That is the real blasphemy --- we have made a mockery of our beautiful religion.

We don't give a sh*t about our religion in our daily lives --- except in highly select topics: what our women wear, how long our beard is, how many times we pray in a day (surely it's important to pray but it is not the be-all, end-all of being a a faithful Muslim) and, perhaps most importantly, how others are good or bad Muslims. This is where our Islam starts and ends. Where is the Islam of compassion, equality, honesty and justice? Nowhere to be seen. But what you do see are bigger beards, more "naat" ringtones and more mob violence. Kind of reminds me of when the mullah crowd destroyed the property of fellow Pakistanis when protesting against some idiot in Denmark who drew a disrespectful cartoon.

How can the State punish someone who is simply accused of blasphemy without any proof? What constitutes blasphemy?

This is a plague, and these animals who killed Mashal should be hanged publicly for doing the exact opposite of what our Prophet would have wanted.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Who banned non-Muslims from eating Pork , even some Muslims eat it in Pakistan and easily available just ask those who eat it , (they we tell you where to find) ,
Now eating Pork and Blasphemy are to totally different things , as they say in Democracy majority rules for that , Do you know Supreme Court of India banned Azaan on Loud speakers form 10pm to 6am (if I m right about time) Y because Hindu majority get disturbed by that . And Y Azaan not allowed in any EU country (don't tell me about east London) Because Christian majority get disturb.
Same rule apply in Pakistan , where Muslims are in Majority 98% and all of them are very sensitive and emotional about Blasphemy so for the Majority there is a law and all other have to obey .
Like Hindu are in majority and for them Cow is Holly animal and they are passing so many Laws about Cow , And forcing Muslims to Fallow. You even find out Cow protector groups checking all the trucks with Animals .

Chacha, Azaan hasn't been banned in those countries on religious grounds.

Five times a day the Muslims announce through loud speakers in Non Muslim Lands that there is no god but Allah -- implying that the Gods they (i.e. the Non Muslims) worship are false gods-- ...... Does it not hurt the religious sentiments of the Non-Muslims now ?? Our sense of superiority and entitlement !!

And no one is asking to unban blasphemy in Pakistan. It's about the harsh and disproportionate punishment. 295-C mandates death penalty for all blasphemers. And if you want to draw parallels, Please name those Non Muslim countries that hand out death penalty to those who violate Azan ban ...

 

[Fawadqasim1]

People who support this law are actually committing blasphemy it's them who're hurting the image of Islam they've failed to provide even 1 Ayat from Quran which supports this law yet they still believe that death penalty is the punishment for Blasphemy it's you people who are actually now opposing the Quran and the teachings of Holy Prophet (SAW) it's you people who are (NauzbillAh, NauzbillAh) maligning the image of Holy Prophet an anti Islam guy who hates Islam doesn't need to do anything he can just show all of the above posts to do his anti Islam propaganda.

Did Prophet killed those who criticized him?

The untold story of Pakistan’s blasphemy law

@TankMan @Azlan Haider @Proudpakistaniguy @Divergent1

ghamidi seems to be a balanced guy I like his exegesis though I have to admit I know very little about religion so I may be wrong. What do you think sir

 

[Yaseen1]

Allama Iqbal attended the funeral prayer of Ghazi Ilmuddin Shaheed and there are pictures of this.Blasphemer is the basis of fitna and fassad because if blasphemer is free to promote his ideas especially using social media it will turn Muslims with less knowledge and weak faith in to blasphemer and they will loose their faith.I think facebook and social media should be banned in Pakistan as the number of blasphemy cases have increased after introduction of social media in Pakistan.

Blasphemy itself is NOT Fasad . Fasad fil Arz/Fitnah and Blasphemy have been mentioned separately in the Holy Qur'an.


Blasphemy has been mentioned a number of times in the Holy Qur'an and Allah tells us to ignore blasphemers and leave it to him to decide their fate. "Fasad fil Arz" has also been mentioned and we are ordered to kill those "mufsideen"


The Holy Quran prescribes severe punishment for spreading "Al-Fitnah" or "Al-Fasaad" on Allah's land (5:33). Allah tells us that Fitnah is worse than killing (2:191) ...... FITNAH means unrest or rebellion, especially against a rightful ruler. and FASAD means spreading mischief in a Muslim land, creating disorder in the Muslim community, or a revolution or war against a just government/establishment, or other similar things..


As for hate speech/blasphemy, the Holy Qur'an does not prescribe any worldly punishment for this offense. Quite the contrary, Allah tells us to ignore and avoid blasphemers, and leave it to Allah almighty to decide their fate (9:74, 4:140, 28:55, 7:199)


If we accept your interpretation that blasphemy itself is Fasad fil Arz, then we will have to accept that the Holy Qur'an contradicts itself as it tells us to ignore blasphemers in few verses (including those revealed in Medina i.e. 4:140) while simultaneously asking us to kill them in some other verses....

Moreover, Pakistan Penal Code has section related to "Blasphemy", and it accepts the Quranic principle of "Fasad fil Arz" ... But it does not recognize/declare blasphemy as "Fasad fil Arz"

Also the consensus among the Majority of Ulema in the past had been that Blasphemy is a pardonable offense... Which means that they also didn't consider Blasphemy itself as "Fasad fil Arz"



So, your assertion is in contradiction with the Holy Qur'an, Hadith, and the consensus of the ulema of the past, therefore it can't be accepted








1) Jinnah was not the trial lawyer. Ilam Din had entered the not guilty plea through his trial lawyer who was a lawyer from Lahore named Farrukh Hussain. The trial court ruled against Ilam Din. The trial lawyer appealed in the Lahore High Court and got Jinnah to appear as the lawyer in appeal.


2) Jinnah did not defend the actions of Ilam Din. He had attacked the evidence on legal grounds. Jinnah’s contention was that the evidence produced before the trial court was insufficient and the prosecution story was dubious. The court did not accept Jinnah's contention


3) Mr Jinnah finally contended that the sentence of death was not called for and urged as extenuating circumstances, that the appellant is only 19 or 20 years of age and that his act was prompted by feelings of veneration for the founder of his religion and anger at one who had scurrilously attacked him. This contention was rejected as well