you have only given a proof regarding Dhimmi, NOT all non-Muslims
Any non-Muslim living in a Muslim country counts as a Dhimmi, as citizenship is essentially a contract, so as far as Pakistan is concerned it applies to all the non-Muslim minorities.
t this point, you need to understand jurisprudence. What I am telling you are such basics, I shouldn't even have to remind you of this.
You are in no position to remind me of anything - I am well aware of the basics, while you do not seem to understand the very fundamental concept of hierarchy of sources of Sharia, which clearly puts the Quran above all other sources.
Imam Abu-Hanifa Rahimahullah has categorically stated that if any of his opinions are found to be against the teachings of Allah and His Prophet Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam, then his opinion should not be taken.
Yes. Yes he has said that.
Do you realise what that means? Imam Abu Hanifa categorically stated that scholarly opinion can be wrong in some cases. That means their opinions can be questioned and revised. But that also means his opinions had to be revised to make room for the Pakistani blasphemy laws. If that is justified, why can't we revise the Blasphemy law to be more in line with Islamic principles? That also means you can calm down and stop calling me things like 'devious', because believe me, I have no agenda other than what's best according to Islam.
Please don't try to pervert the definition of blasphemy. Misspoken, or accidental utterance DO NOT constitute blasphemy. From Sahih Muslim:
In Pakistan, even accidental or misspoken utterance is often prosecuted.
Even more proof that that law is un-Islamic. I am not perverting any definition, the Blasphemy law is.
The law of Pakistan is NOT against the Hanafi Ma'dhab and this is what the vast majority of Pakistanis follows.
One thing is absolutely certain - blasphemy is a pardonable offense and the death penalty for does not apply to non-Muslims or Muslims who repent.
The law is against not just the Hanafi Madhab but the very fundamentals of Islam as it allows injustice to take place.
Allah commands justice, the doing of good, and liberality to kith and kin, and He forbids all shameful deeds, and injustice and rebellion: He instructs you, that ye may receive admonition. [16:90]
The Pakistani blasphemy law fails to conform with the very basic concepts of Islam.
Please prove that this Aayah is about open and repeated disbelief in a Muslim country. The above can be done surreptitiously in the heart, or in a far away land not accessible to Muslims.
An-Nisa is a madani surah, and this is mentioned in context of hypocrites and those who ally themselves with unbelievers to sabotage the Muslims.
There is a case to be made here, but it is an entirely different matter to blasphemy.
More beating about the bush and trying to pervert the truth.
Looking at aayahs of the Qur'an directly is not 'beating around the bush'. That is the very core. You jumping from scholarly opinion to scholarly opinion is 'beating around the bush'.
The book that you yourself quoted, Assarim-ul-Maslool, provides Aayahs from the Holy Quran in support of killing blasphemers, specifically Dhimmis
Here's a simple thing you can do; quote those aayahs right here.
This shows the depths of your deviousness.
More of this borderline Takfirism. These kinds of accusations are directly responsible for the disunity and chaos among Muslims. I was perfectly happy to have a debate on the matter - if you think I'm wrong, fine.
But your blasphemy law is not the core of Islam. It's not even an element of Islam. It is certainly not important enough for you to label anyone who disagrees with it as 'devious'.
Going for personal attacks and questioning my faith doesn't make you right. It only serves to deeply offend me and create disunity among Muslims.
You are cherry picking quotes from books and you are perverting the original message and knowledge from books to forward your agenda. Now, here is proof from the Holy Quran cited in the book that YOU referred. You can start reading from here
The only point I made by quoting those books was to show you that scholars actually do differ in opinion on the matter. I did not say all of them support my point of view.
The point is that there wasn't consensus, there wasn't
ijma on the matter - there were differing opinions with regards to non-Muslims and repeat offenders vs first-time offenders and similar circumstances.
The book you have linked to mentions this - the Pakistan blasphemy law ignores it all.
Anyway, context is important - I am not cherry picking and am aware of the verses that are often cited to support the Blasphemy law.
For example, ayah 29 from At-Tawbah is specific to certain circumstances and does not apply to all time and all situations as it is in context of the polytheists who broke a treaty (mentioned at the beginning of the surah) at a specific point in time.
If that was not the case, it would mean we have to fight all non-Muslims for all time, which clearly goes against the Islamic principle of peace and the following ayah;
"So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. [9:7] "
Please prove that this Aayah is about open and repeated disbelief in a Muslim country. The above can be done surreptitiously in the heart, or in a far away land not accessible to Muslims.
An-Nisa is a madani surah, and this is mentioned in context of hypocrites and those who ally themselves with unbelievers to sabotage the Muslims from within Madinah. So it's not about far away lands.
Like I said, it is a separate discussion on its own.
If you have so much "ishq," then follow his example. Listen to the Qur'an. It is not your right to take another's life based on an accusation. There must be a special place in hell for these self-styled mullah-vigilantes who have spilt so much innocent blood...
Well said.
What Nauman Ali says is spot on but removing/amending these laws when the society is so polarised as it is will result in chaos. Until we are in peace times with rule of law enforced as it should be alongside a new and effective reformative narrative in place, we shouldn't be touching these laws
Look, no one is saying 'make blasphemy legal'. Just make the law more reasonable. This is injustice - anyone can accuse someone of blasphemy and destroy his life or get him killed.
Look around you - we already have chaos. A man was just lynched or no good reason.
I agree that rule of law and strong institutions are important. They are essential. I also understand what you're saying in terms of polarisation and maintaining unity. But simply amending the law to remove the death penalty at least for non-Muslims and first-time offenders shouldn't be a problem.
Changing this law is not the same as secularising Pakistan. As far as that is concerned I do not support it - it is unnecessary and will backfire.
Islam already provides the correct legal framework, it is just a question of proper interpretation and implementation which is lacking in Pakistan.
@Verve I understand your frustrations with 'the Liberal brigade', who are also known as 'pseudo-Liberals' (which is a better description of
some of the Dawn/ET types) in Pakistani discourse - but this is not an issue of Liberals vs Conservatives.
This is an issue of our laws not conforming with the teachings of Islam and allowing injustice to take place.
Yeah Hazrat Muhammed SAW ordered to murder him cause this is written in Saih Bukhari which is the most authentic book after Quran.And a muslim must've firm faith in hadith as well as Quran.Cause Hadith is what Holy Prophet SAW said.
Bhai no one is denying that Ka'ab was killed on orders of Rasool (s.a.w). The question is
why he was killed, as it is clear from the following Hadith that Ka'ab was not just a blasphemer, he was an enemy and was helping enemies against the Muslims during a war.
He was not killed for blasphemy but for his countless other crimes which made him a direct threat to the lives of the Muslims.
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