Putin: Nazi-Soviet pact was legitimate; Britain to blame for Hitler's march into Europe

[INDIC]

Oh,give me a break.The whole reason of the war was the Nazi invasion of Poland,than,at the end of the war you traded Poland as a rag to the Soviets to be dragged in a concentration camp for 45 years.Nevermind that the Soviets invaded Poland to.You're talking to us about flimsy excuses to invade sovereign countries for your interest,pls spare us.WW2 was not evil vs good,it was evil vs evil.2 Sides bent on mass slaughter.

British way of mass murdering had always been different, they never did things directly but indirectly to avoid the direct blames. That makes them different from Germans or Japanese.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Churchill was a necessary evil, though an imperialist, he did save Britain

 

[flamer84]

British way of mass murdering had always been different, they never did things directly but indirectly to avoid the direct blames. That makes them different from Germans or Japanese.

Looks like they prefered the pen when condemning innocents to death."Sry,Eastern Europe but you're lost anyway"..."Sry for the famine Indians but there's a war happening in which we're fighting Evil personified a.k.a the Nazis,alongside our innocent allies,the good Bolsheviks".

 

[INDIC]

There was famine all over the world during World War 2. Why is it Churchill's fault?

That's a crude statement. After hearing the news of mass starvation in Bengal famine your great leader Churchill said, "I hate Indians, they are beastly people with beastly religion".

After Burma fell to the Japanese, Churchill try to squeeze off India for compensate and exported some 240 000 tonnes of rice of India even after warned about the food crisis and make sure that no help reach Indians, not releasing any ship even declining aid from Canada and United States.

 

[INDIC]

Looks like they prefered the pen when condemning innocents to death."Sry,Eastern Europe but you're lost anyway"..."Sry for the famine Indians but there's a war happening in which we're fighting Evil personified a.k.a the Nazis,alongside our innocent allies,the good Bolsheviks".

They used to control people by manipulation and ideologies, they never indulged in things directly, that was their mastery which even the Spaniards and Portuguese lacked during colonial era and failed in empire building.

You will be surprised to know British were equal collaborators in creating the white Aryan master race theory, Germans did it for German nationalism, British for sake of dividing North Indians and South Indians by this Aryan-Dravidian theory, although most of the Indians didn't take it seriously. Anyway, British would never share the blame, all blames goes to Germans.

 

[INDIC]

i dont think he meant 4 million starving to death is tiny. You indians as i said before, tend to focus just on the bad things we did when you were our colony. You dont also talk about the good things we did, like infrastructure/railways(which was the longest/most advanced in Asia for a longg time, not our fault it isnt anymore), democratic political system, laws, rules and regulations and the fact that we not only unify India into one country/central government but made it bigger by seizing more land from China(Tibet) and other neighbouring countries to incorporate it into India. So as i said earlier, without us, there will be no India as we all knwo it today. It will be at least 5 to 7 different countries(or even more) had we not occupied the country and unify it under our rule.

Its 7 decades of independence, we don't talk much about Brits, nobody even cared when you were having a referendum in Scotland. But we are talking about colonial era.

So i will ask all of you Indians 1 question: Do you think without us, India will be the country it is today(as big geographically/landmass ) without us? YES OR NO? Be honest.
So if anything you should stress the bad things we did YES, but dont also forget to mention what i just pointed out bro.

Dude ever heard of 'Lapse of Paramountcy' clause you added in independence of India act that virtually gave independence to 565 princely states. It was indian leader Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel who brought them in Indian union, so don't try to take credit for all of it.

 

[mike2000]

Its 7 decades of independence, we don't talk much about Brits, nobody even cared when you were having a referendum in Scotland. But certainly, Indians are very sensitive to old wounds of colonial era.



Dude ever heard of 'Lapse of Paramountcy' clause you added in independence of India act that virtually gave independence to 565 princely states. It was indian leader Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel who brought them in Indian union, so don't try to take credit for all of it.

Im taking all the credit for it, im just making a point that without our rule/bringing together all the kingdoms of India into one then even your so called Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel wouldnt have had a base to start from in other to 'unify' India as you claim bro. We did bad things Yes(like all colonial powers back then did), but we also did good things in India as well, and most of all we help make it the Unify country it is today. Without our rule, then believe me India will still exist probably, but it will be made up of at least 5 independent states or more, not the big country it is today.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

We bombed Germany IN RETALIATION for them bombing us. What do you expect us to do, invite them round for tea and biscuits? Egypt killed 1500 Muslim Brotherhood supporters in a single day, supported Israel's attack on Gaza and is currently evicting Bedouin from their homes even if they have nothing to do with the insurgency in the Sinai so don't talk to me about turning the other cheek and loving your enemies.

so this was revenge on civilians you are no better than them a country at war that means target only military targets and if by mistake there was some civilian losses then so be it but we are talking about punishment for entire population whole cites were razed to the ground
we in Egypt have done what we can to save ourselves from the fate of becoming a second syria a crisis which the west has shown its true intentions in it all this death and destruction just to remove an unfriendly regime you really are criminals and by the way we in Egypt never told others how to manage their own country

 

[Steve781]

so this was revenge on civilians you are no better than them a country at war that means target only military targets and if by mistake there was some civilian losses then so be it but we are talking about punishment for entire population whole cites were razed to the ground
we in Egypt have done what we can to save ourselves from the fate of becoming a second syria a crisis which the west has shown its true intentions in it all this death and destruction just to remove an unfriendly regime you really are criminals and by the way we in Egypt never told others how to manage their own country

I just pointed out that Egypt is currently punishing the entire population of Gaza and Sinai for the actions of a minority so don't take the moral high ground with us who fought a far more formindable enemy.
The jihadist groups in Syria are armed and funded by your military's number one ally Saudi Arabia. Britain hasn't given a single gun to any of them.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

I just pointed out that Egypt is currently punishing the entire population of Gaza and Sinai for the actions of a minority so don't take the moral high ground with us who fought a far more formindable enemy.
The jihadist groups in Syria are armed and funded by your military's number one ally Saudi Arabia. Britain hasn't given a single gun to any of them.

we are not punishing we are simply relocating Egyptians so no one would get hurt in the operations
i am not taking the moral high ground what i am saying is there are no good vs evil it is always evil vs evil like ww2 should the germans win we would be talking about the crimes the allied air force done to cites and the crimes against civilians in japan

 

[haviZsultan]

Im taking all the credit for it, im just making a point that without our rule/bringing together all the kingdoms of India into one then even your so called Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel wouldnt have had a base to start from in other to 'unify' India as you claim bro. We did bad things Yes(like all colonial powers back then did), but we also did good things in India as well, and most of all we help make it the Unify country it is today. Without our rule, then believe me India will still exist probably, but it will be made up of at least 5 independent states or more, not the big country it is today.

This is true. India by the time the British unified it was such a piteous collection of city states or maharaja/nawab ruled Kingdoms it would never have even taken a place as large as it has now on the map. The broken weak states that we see today however were also a creation of the British ie Syria, Iraq.

But Indians should be proud that Britain unified India.

 

[mike2000]

This is true. India by the time the British unified it was such a piteous collection of city states or maharaja/nawab ruled Kingdoms it would never have even taken a place as large as it has now on the map. The broken weak states that we see today however were also a creation of the British ie Syria, Iraq.

But Indians should be proud that Britain unified India.

At least you are honest, unlike most Nationalistic Indians on here who seem have too much pride to admit it. There is no shame in admitting the truth though(maybe its just for me.lol).

 

[Schutz]

You Indians do realise that Britain and its people today have nothing to do with your empire and any resentment you harbour is fucking stupid, especially considering you were most likely not there either. Its not like you can say oh look at every other country in the region, we could be doing so much better if it wasn't because of invaders, your country despite its massive problems is one of the best achieving in the region and has the highest potential.

Do you think Iranians are still mad at the Mongols for killing 10+ million people or any number of European countries mad at Romans, Saxons etc or even the nations surrounded by Germany which lost millions and that was recent history, no they are also not to concerned as we progress through tragedy and the more glaring fact that we were not involved.

Double standards anyway, the persecution of Muslims in India is a CURRENT problem, you going to apologise for the level of persecution Muslims suffer in India?. No, thats right because your not involved.

 

[Steve781]

You Indians do realise that Britain and its people today have nothing to do with your empire and any resentment you harbour is fucking stupid, especially considering you were most likely not there either. Its not like you can say oh look at every other country in the region, we could be doing so much better if it wasn't because of invaders, your country despite its massive problems is one of the best achieving in the region and has the highest potential.

Do you think Iranians are still mad at the Mongols for killing 10+ million people or any number of European countries mad at Romans, Saxons etc or even the nations surrounded by Germany which lost millions and that was recent history, no they are also not to concerned as we progress through tragedy and the more glaring fact that we were not involved.

Double standards anyway, the persecution of Muslims in India is a CURRENT problem, you going to apologise for the level of persecution Muslims suffer in India?. No, thats right because your not involved.

Indians have the right to be angry about many things we did. What Mike is saying is that there were positive aspects to the Raj as well as negative ones. Nobody can defend the Amritsar massacre for example or the burning of villages during the 1857 mutiny but what about the railways, common law, parliamentary democracy, the abolition of child marriage and sutee and games like cricket? Britain can't disown our colonial past because it had so much influence on us as a people but India likewise cannot view foreign domination as a good thing.

 

[haviZsultan]

Indians have the right to be angry about many things we did. What Mike is saying is that there were positive aspects to the Raj as well as negative ones. Nobody can defend the Amritsar massacre for example or the burning of villages during the 1857 mutiny but what about the railways, common law, parliamentary democracy, the abolition of child marriage and sutee and games like cricket? Britain can't disown our colonial past because it had so much influence on us as a people but India likewise cannot view foreign domination as a good thing.

I believe with comments like these we get to see the other side. Both in India and Pakistan the bad things about the British are often highlighted but there are often some good things as well.

This is what makes PDF so great. It is full of people from countries of differing perspectives and ways of thinking.