PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen arrested in Peshawar

[khail007]

That's a complete lie. You can contact ISPR HQ and confirm it if you dont believe me. There was no casualties on Army's side.

Are you a responsible from a government Institute? So I only believe you and others all are lying?

 

[Xestan]

Did u see numbers in Fazlu sit in in Islamabad??

What's the point?

It means that both these parties enjoy some sort of public support. That means, they cant just 'foreign funded' and popped out of nowhere. This movement has to be countered with peace, not with arms.

 

[Mrc]

Let’s agree to disagree then. Eventually, maybe 10 or 15 years from now, the people we’re busy maligning and drawing links to foreign agencies will have their record cleared. This is what has always happened historically, smear attempts and shutting down of dissent never lasts long.

What my perception is that against hopes pakistan defeated terrorism and became a peaceful country

Peace in a nuclear power will bring economic independence eventually

An economically independent nuclear power will be detrimental to many world powers


So in garb of peace and some genuine greviences a 200 year old vile racist idealogy is re ignited in hopes that war will continue

 

[Xestan]

Are you a responsible from a government Institute? So I only believe you and others all are lying?

I never asked you to believe me. I just said, if you dont believe me, you are free to contact ISPR. Since ISPR never gave out any name of the soldier who you allege to be martyred.

 

[Jungibaaz]

They have their representatives in parliament. Why don't they do the one thing they were elected to do? If their grievances aren't unsubstantiated which i'm sure they aren't in many cases; they'll find the majority of lawmakers standing with them shoulder to shoulder to fix things that have gone wrong over the past few decades.

Army won’t allow it. PMLN and PPP sympathise with them and walked out of parliament after Kharqamar massacre. In truth, dissent is not allowed.

Like I said, media can’t even air PTM related content or interviews. Same standard of crackdown is applied to the political parties. They have been bent to the will of the establishment.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Forgot about these other demands.

If anyone wants to know what PTM wants, this is exactly it. They want less army presence and checkposts, clearing FATA of land mines, investigation of missing persons, end to kidnappings.

Completely reasonable demands, forget about this foreign funding bs.

Yeah lets completely forget that the area was a warzone for the past 50 or so years. If they want to remove those checkposts, put up a bill in the parliament for de-militarization of the area. The army will abide by it. But no; Pashteen has to spew anti-state propaganda every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Mrc]

What's the point?

It means that both these parties enjoy some sort of public support. That means, they cant just 'foreign funded' and popped out of nowhere. This movement has to be countered with peace, not with arms.

Fazlu usually wins 1 or 2 NA seats PTM cannot do even that . .

Yes there will always b people on fringes and will support one or the other ideology. ..


Tbh the amount of racism they spew would get them life in any civilized country ..

Our establishment is not harsh enough

 

[Jungibaaz]

Yeah lets completely forget that the area was a warzone for the past 50 or so years. If they want to remove those checkposts, put up a bill in the parliament for de-militarization of the area. The army will abide by it. But no; Pashteen has to spew anti-state propaganda every time he opens his mouth.

Please go speak to tribals with these grievances. It’s not me who has a problem with checkpoints. Ask them why they voted for PTM MNAs, why they attend PTM rallies in their thousands.

Fazlu usually wins 1 or 2 NA seats PTM cannot do even that .

Ali Wazir (NA-50)
Mohsin Dawar (NA-48)

 

[Mrc]

Please go speak to tribals with these grievances. It’s not me who has a problem with checkpoints. Ask them why they voted for PTM MNAs, why they attend PTM rallies in their thousands.



Ali Wazir (NA-50)
Mohsin Dawar (NA-48)

In his all around global wisdom khan did not field candidates against them

Their candidates lost all other seats were pti had candidates

 

[Jungibaaz]

On Ali Wazir, this guy is a PTM leader. People criticising saying that getting rid of checkpoints is an attempt to bring back ttp. He was a big critic of the TTP, as was his elder brother.

His father, two brothers, uncle and several family members of his were killed by Taliban.

 

[Mrc]

By the way what's the solution


We pull out army and take down check posts and allow ttp back in so they can stroke their racial superiority stupidity....

And than what? ?

And this is the recipe for lasting peace??? Would this solve tribal problems?

 

[khail007]

I never asked you to believe me. I just said, if you dont believe me, you are free to contact ISPR. Since ISPR never gave out any name of the soldier who you allege to be martyred.

There are news of killed/injured soldiers at the check post. I believe there was an exchange of fire. I still believe, such check posts are for security of nation, what some others state as 'humiliation' is not true.
Just in other countries if some one go and attack them, you won't believe what they will do to one who attacked and his family.

 

[Xestan]

There are news of killed/injured soldiers at the check post. I believe there was an exchange of fire. I still believe, such check posts are for security of nation, what some others state as 'humiliation' is not true.
Just in other countries if some one go and attack them, you won't believe what they will do to one who attacked and his family.

You are not coming to the point. ISPR reports any casualties anywhere. Show me the press release where they announced the casualties.

 

[khail007]

You are not coming to the point. ISPR reports any casualties anywhere. Show me the press release where they announced the casualties.

I don't have any contact in ISPR; but could you please provide me the names and IDs of those 18 killed by Army?

 

[Enigma SIG]

Please go speak to tribals with these grievances. It’s not me who has a problem with checkpoints. Ask them why they voted for PTM MNAs, why they attend PTM rallies in their thousands.

You're advocating for them in this very thread. They've got their people in parliament; if they can't table a simple resolution to get the army to relinquish posts to FC/Police or whatever PTM has in mind for policing, they're doing a piss poor job as elected representatives and mostly taking these innocent local people on a ride.