PTI's wrong Plan: New Provinces in Punjab, but Karachi needs not to be made a province

[veg]

I think i do agree with you, the senior leadership of PTI is less interested in Karachi because PTI is a Federation Party and not a party of a single city. PTI senior leadership's sights have always been on Punjab, because at the end of the day to form government in the centre, one needs to win from Punjab. Even if you sweep from Karachi, you cannot even form the Provincial Government let alone Federal. But then again, PTI cannot specifically focus on Karachi because PTI is a Federation Party and MQM is a local party that only represents Karachi. While PTI is focused more on national issues, MQM is only focused on local issues. PTI does has a chapter in Karachi that focuses on issues related to Karachi, but then again entire MQM focuses on Karachi because that's all they care about.

PTI senior leadership should be interested to provide Justice and Equal Rights to all the citizens of Pakistan.
Instead of this, this senior leadership is showing total hypocrisy and it is interested only in it's vote bank and personal interests.
PTI senior leadership is making itself equally criminal along with Zardari by usurping the due rights of the people of Karachi. You should not play your politics upon the rights of poor people.

Instead of inviting Naeem Ul Haq and Asad Umer who is running from Islamabad, they should have invited participants from PTI Karachi. At the end of the day, MQM Pakistan will have to answer for the target killing, bhatta khori, badmaashi, kidnapping and rape of Karachittes. This is why i expect PSP to win majority of the seats, with PTI, PPP and MQM Pakistan taking token of the seats.

A lame excuse.

Why then Cheema and Naeem accepted first to talk on the issue of Karachi if they didn't know about it?
Yes, let the Karachi chapter of PTI tell the people how they are going to secure the rights of the people of Karachi by opposing the creation of Southern Sindh Province and keeping Karachi people slave of the Wadayrahs of interior Sindh.

I don't think PSP will get votes more than few hundreds to few thousands from any constituency.

Biggest problem of MQM Pakistan is boycott call from Altaf Hussain. They may loose all the seats. But still the problems of Karachi are not going to solve from it, which will result only in frustration sooner or later.

 

[Kabira]

PTI senior leadership should be interested to provide Justice and Equal Rights to all the citizens of Pakistan.
Instead of this, this senior leadership is showing total hypocrisy and it is interested only in it's vote bank and personal interests.
PTI senior leadership is making itself equally criminal along with Zardari by usurping the due rights of the people of Karachi. You should not play your politics upon the rights of poor people.



A lame excuse.

Why then Cheema and Naeem accepted first to talk on the issue of Karachi if they didn't know about it?
Yes, let the Karachi chapter of PTI tell the people how they are going to secure the rights of the people of Karachi by opposing the creation of Southern Sindh Province and keeping Karachi people slave of the Wadayrahs of interior Sindh.

I don't think PSP will get votes more than few hundreds to few thousands from any constituency.

Biggest problem of MQM Pakistan is boycott call from Altaf Hussain. They may loose all the seats. But still the problems of Karachi are not going to solve from it, which will result only in frustration sooner or later.

Here is the thing, in 20 years Sindhis will be majority in Karachi or at least single biggest ethnicity in Karachi. Solution is devolution of powers to local government.

 

[veg]

Sindhi have already been made minority in their own land, now some people want to take their identity as well so they rebel..lol

I am Karachiite, i think local govt system of Musharraf is right step for Karachi.

Sindhis are living freely and in majority in the traditional areas where their forefathers were living. Migrants came and lived under their rule for 70 years and still the migrants in interior Sindh will keep on living under their rule in the future. They don't complain about it.

There is nothing wrong if in one area other Pakistani community becomes bigger.

You must be Pakistani first and Sindhi, Baluchi, Pushtoon, Punjabi, Muhajir second.

And the local government system of Musharraf was a good step. But I am afraid it is not going to work while still it empowers the local government and Wadayrahs are totally against it.

Secondly, the conflict will keep on growing while Police and other departments will be under the Zardari.


Problem is not with the people of Karachi, but problem lies in you while you still don't consider the migrants as the son of the soil and don't want to give them the equal rights as the other ethnicities enjoy in Pakistan.

Here is the thing, in 20 years Sindhis will be majority in Karachi or at least single biggest ethnicity in Karachi. Solution is devolution of powers to local government.

Off course, if this happens (i.e. Sindhis become majority in Karachi) and they get the government through polls, then people of Karachi will have nothing to complain.

But till the time it happens, you could not deny people of Karachi having their own government, and letting the people of interior Sindh rule upon them.

 

[Kabira]

Off course, if this happens (i.e. Sindhis become majority in Karachi) and they get the government through polls, then people of Karachi will have nothing to complain.

But till the time it happens, you could not deny people of Karachi having their own government, and letting the people of interior Sindh rule upon them.

I want devolution of powers to local level and I'm not even from Karachi but MQM make sense here. But in Pakistan cities demographics are changing constantly because of migration to urban areas from rural. Sindhi population has seen significant increase in Karachi since 1998 census, we don't have exact numbers but Dawn reported that Sindhi Karachi population increased by huge amount in 2017 census compared to any other ethnicity.

We are not talking about rural areas where demographics will stay more or less same now. Its not best to make any city in to province even if people say they are not doing so on ethnic basis. Because tomorrow Sindhi will become majority and then what? If all it will take for Karachi to remain part of Sindh is demographics then Sindhis can easily change that overnight.

 

[CIS-TRANS]

PTI is a modern face of martial law. Most hypocrite political group ever, next 5 years are expected to be one of the worst years for Pakistan economy due coalition government of PTI.

Population of sindh urban 52%
And sindh rural 48% according to census 2017 , yet still sindh rural qouta is way more then sindh urban qouta in federal and provincial jobs despite knowing that literacy rate and quality of education of sindh urban is higher and these sindhis say that they don't wanna break Pakistan, actually they are the one who wanted to break Pakistan.

Still when the private sector of sindh urban is grooming and contributing the huge share in national economy yet these sindhis are busy in looting our wealth and resources.

 

[veg]

I want devolution of powers to local level and I'm not even from Karachi but MQM make sense here. But in Pakistan cities demographics are changing constantly because of migration to urban areas from rural. Sindhi population has seen significant increase in Karachi since 1998 census, we don't have exact numbers but Dawn reported that Sindhi Karachi population increased by huge amount in 2017 census compared to any other ethnicity.

We are not talking about rural areas where demographics will stay more or less same now. Its not best to make any city in to province even if people say they are not doing so on ethnic basis. Because tomorrow Sindhi will become majority and then what? If all it will take for Karachi to remain part of Sindh is demographics then Sindhis can easily change that overnight.

Please note the difference that Sindhis of Karachi will belong to this city and will work for it. But the Wadayrahs of interior Sindh has no interest in the progress of Karachi. Their only interest is to loot the Karachi.

By the way, in 1998 census, there only 7% Sindhis in Karachi, while 48% Urdu Speaking, and 12% others like Bengali, Gujrati, Memon etc who also vote for MQM traditionally. Link.
It would be a miracle if Sindhis will become majority in Karachi in near future.
And if they really become majority, then they have the full right to form the government of Karachi, which will be independent of interior Sindh.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

are you Sindhi

No. And unfortunately I have never got a Sindhi personally. I have interest in history in particular of the Indus Valley/Basin and Sindh is integral if not the fulcrum of that basin. I asked because I notice there are lot of Karachi mohajir [mostly MQM fans] nut rarely if ever have I copme across a ethnic Sindhi. Which is surprising considering Sindh is your provence and your are the third largest ethnic minority in Pakistan but seem kind of muted on PDF.

 

[Kabira]

Please note the difference that Sindhis of Karachi will belong to this city and will work for it. But the Wadayrahs of interior Sindh has no interest in the progress of Karachi. Their only interest is to loot the Karachi.

By the way, in 1998 census, there only 7% Sindhis in Karachi, while 48% Urdu Speaking, and 12% others like Bengali, Gujrati, Memon etc who also vote for MQM traditionally. Link.
It would be a miracle if Sindhis will become majority in Karachi in near future.
And if they really become majority, then they have the full right to form the government of Karachi, which will be independent of interior Sindh.

1998 is very old census though, Sindhis are already 2nd biggest ethnicity in Karachi as per 2017 census.

Punjabis are no longer 2nd, but 4th behind Sindhis and pakthtuns.

 

[Men in Green]

No. And unfortunately I have never got a Sindhi personally. I have interest in history in particular of the Indus Valley/Basin and Sindh is integral if not the fulcrum of that basin. I asked because I notice there are lot of Karachi mohajir [mostly MQM fans] nut rarely if ever have I copme across a ethnic Sindhi. Which is surprising considering Sindh is your provence and your are the third largest ethnic minority in Pakistan but seem kind of muted on PDF.

You history is really good about sindh way better then we know, just because you are interested in Sindhis our village is near moen jo daro barely 15 mint's ride on bike.
my father migrated to Karachi 30 years ago we still go there in vacations.

Btw there was one Sindhi pdf think thank analyst but he is inactive from from long time.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Btw there was one Sindhi pdf think thank analyst but he is inactive from from long time.

Is there a reason why we have so few ethnic Sindhis on PDF? It would be very interesting to talk about Mohenjo Daro IVC etc.


Ps. When some groups are over represented and others under represented it give a very skewed image of Pakistan.

 

[Zibago]

Over the body's of Sindhi people's. For sindhi peoples Sindh is there mother like Pakistan how can one divide his mother.

Simple solution is strong local body funds be distributed division wise inside province

Making Karachi a province is another Kalabagh Dam controversy. Best avoided. However, the people of Karachi should be given rights as were given by Musharraf and then you saw Karachi prosper. PTI needs to win interior Sindh and get rid of PPP waderas.

Five problems one solution Pakhtunkhwa wala baldiyati nizam
Make provincial govt weak and local bodies strong on galli mohalla matters
@pak-marine

Is there a reason why we have so few ethnic Sindhis on PDF? It would be very interesting to talk about Mohenjo Daro IVC etc.


Ps. When some groups are over represented and others under represented it give a very skewed image of Pakistan.

I know two one i hate the other left pdf

 

[notorious_eagle]

PTI senior leadership should be interested to provide Justice and Equal Rights to all the citizens of Pakistan.

Off course they are. This is why they lead the charge against Nawaz Sharif corruption, and was the only party that stood against the terrorism of Altaf Hussain.

Instead of this, this senior leadership is showing total hypocrisy and it is interested only in it's vote bank and personal interests.

Do you mind expanding on that?

PTI senior leadership is making itself equally criminal along with Zardari by usurping the due rights of the people of Karachi. You should not play your politics upon the rights of poor people.

How are they in cahoots with Zardari? Can you please provide proof of that?

The better question would be, MQM was in bed with Zardari and was enjoying perks in the Federal and Provincial Government in coalition with Zardari. MQM members who came to assembly in motorcycles and now billionaires, they will have to answer for their corruption and alliance with Zardari.

Why then Cheema and Naeem accepted first to talk on the issue of Karachi if they didn't know about it?
Yes, let the Karachi chapter of PTI tell the people how they are going to secure the rights of the people of Karachi by opposing the creation of Southern Sindh Province and keeping Karachi people slave of the Wadayrahs of interior Sindh.

Simple. You can't have a province without 75% of the vote of the Sindh Assembly. Outside of Karachi, there is no support for a separate province. PTI has always stated that they will support a separate province if there is support for it among the people, but right now there is no support in Sindh for a separate province. MQM Pakistan only supports a separate province when elections are near, but when once they win, they go sit in the lap of PPP and ask for Ministries so they can commit corruption.

I don't think PSP will get votes more than few hundreds to few thousands from any constituency.

Just watch them

Biggest problem of MQM Pakistan is boycott call from Altaf Hussain. They may loose all the seats. But still the problems of Karachi are not going to solve from it, which will result only in frustration sooner or later.

Exactly. MQM is too divided right now, all the votes have been split and MQM has only itself to blame for this. When they got power, they should have worked to help the people but instead they chose to engage in target killing, bhatta khori, kidnapping and the rape of citizens of Karachi.

 

[Super Falcon]

Ka

Do you agree with Imran Khan's vision where he is saying we need more provinces in Punjab, but Karachi needs not to be made a new province?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1015196377733742592

Am I missing something here?

Even if Imran Khan get seats from Karachi (while agencies did punctured MQM), still I don't see such success to long last.

If the problems of the people of Karachi are not solved, then sooner or later they will vote for MQM again, and responsible for this will be politicians and the establishment which didn't provide them with good enough alternative option.

Karachi is in sindh and it remained for decades some thugs cant cone from india and become owners if our mother land and cut our land not allowed to do so sindh is oldest culture land in pak cant be broken

 

[Indus Pakistan]

oldest culture land in pak cant be broken

Agreed. When the British arrived in Indus Basin in 1840s Sindh was a independent state ruled by Mirs. It was British military victory on the battlefield that forced Sindh to being attached to British India. 104 years later Sindh detached and federated within Pakistan. I don't think the deal was "hey migrants from India we will give you refuge but then down the road you can carve our land".

And unlike Punjab, Sindh was being ruled by native Muslim dynasty.


Mir Nasir Khan Talpur ruler of Sindh faced off the modern British army of Charles Napier

 

[veg]

Off course they are. This is why they lead the charge against Nawaz Sharif corruption, and was the only party that stood against the terrorism of Altaf Hussain.

No they are not. Stunt against Nawaz Sharif is more for Iman Khan's personal gain.

But when it came to the rights of the people of Swat, then we remember very well this this same Imran Khan was delivering speeches in favour of Nizam-e-Muhammadi of Mullah Sufi Muhammad and campaigning full time for the removal of Pak Army from Swat.

Due to this foolishness of Imran Khan, Army came out of Swat, and Taliban got hold of whole Swat, and started slaughtering people in the markets of Swat, and then started advancing towards Islamabad.

As result of foolishness of leaders like Imran Khan, there were more than 1 million IDP and billions of Rs was the cost of Swat Operation.

Same is true for handing over money to the Madaris of Sami-ul-Haq. Iman Khan does all that for his personal gains.

Do you mind expanding on that?

What's the problem in understanding it?
Imran Khan says more provinces in Punjab, but Karachi people should forget about Karachi becoming an administrative province.
It is simply due to the reason that Karachi has only few seats, while Imran Khan see more Political Gains in the Interior Sindh, and for this political gain he is ready to slaughter the rights of people of Karachi and let them live under the rule of the Wadayrahs of interior Sindh.

Mind it, on the bases of Administration, people of Karachi have full right to have their own administrative province.

Mind it, the Wadayrahs have turned Karachi into garbage. They have no interest in the progress in Karachi.

Karachi deserves to become a province on the administrative bases, but Imran/PTI denying this new province on the bases of ethnicity and getting popularity in the interior Sindh. He wants the people of Karachi to stay under the rule of Wadayrahs, and keep on living in the garbage, with no water and with Tanker Mafia.

How are they in cahoots with Zardari? Can you please provide proof of that?

In the greed of getting popularity in the interior Sindh, Imran Khan betrayed the people of Karachi and opposes their struggle to get their due rights. Thus Imran Khan is also a criminal just as Zardari is criminal. Both are opposing the rightful rights of the people of Karachi.

The better question would be, MQM was in bed with Zardari and was enjoying perks in the Federal and Provincial Government in coalition with Zardari.

Altaf Hussain was a cancer, but still MQM never stopped voicing for the rights of the people of Karachi and for Karachi administrative Province. MQM fought with PPP, boycotted PPP, and did all that it could do, but was unable to break the tyranny of the majority.

Then MQM also tried to co-operate with Zardari and get few rights for the city government, but still failed in too at the end, and thus finally once again it left PPP.

MQM members who came to assembly in motorcycles and now billionaires, they will have to answer for their corruption and alliance with Zardari.

MQM may be involved in crimes, but their MNAs were not the looters.

I know Haider Abbas Rizwi who is driving TAXI in Canada for a long period.

Simple. You can't have a province without 75% of the vote of the Sindh Assembly. Outside of Karachi, there is no support for a separate province. PTI has always stated that they will support a separate province if there is support for it among the people, but right now there is no support in Sindh for a separate province.

Now this is a silly argument.

Off course there is no support of Karachi province in the interior Sindh, while they want to keep usurping the right of the people of Karachi and keep Karachi as a garbage place, and want to keep them as their slaves and rule upon them and their rights and usurp their money.

MQM Pakistan only supports a separate province when elections are near, but when once they win, they go sit in the lap of PPP and ask for Ministries so they can commit corruption.

False. MQM came out from the government of PPP when their demands were not met.


Conclusion is this PTI always want to put whole blame upon MQM, and PTI don't want to take the responsibility of securing the rights of the people of Karachi themselves. In fact, Imran Khan is against the rights of people of Karachi in order to gain cheap popularity in the interior Sindh.

Karachi is in sindh and it remained for decades some thugs cant cone from india and become owners if our mother land and cut our land not allowed to do so sindh is oldest culture land in pak cant be broken

Land is for people, and people are not for Land.

We are Pakistanis first before being Sindhis. And all Pakistanis have the right to have their local representative government on the bases of administration.

Making Southern Sindh Province is not dividing any living Mother that you are giving such emotional Bhasans.

Punjab is also being divided for the same reason i.e. Pakistan and Citizens of Pakistan FIRST.

And Pakistani people of Karachi are served best when they have their own administrative province.

Agreed. When the British arrived in Indus Basin in 1840s Sindh was a independent state ruled by Mirs. It was British military victory on the battlefield that forced Sindh to being attached to British India. 104 years later Sindh detached and federated within Pakistan. I don't think the deal was "hey migrants from India we will give you refuge but then down the road you can carve our land".

And unlike Punjab, Sindh was being ruled by native Muslim dynasty.

Off course the OFFICIAL DEAL for the creation of Pakistan was this that India will take the Hindu migrants and Pakistan will take the Muslim migrants who will have equal rights as any other Pakistani.

Without this official deal, the creation of Pakistan was not possible. Not even with the Talpuri resistance.

Problem is this that you people still don't consider the migrants as equal Pakistani with equal right to the land of Pakistan.

You already know that people of Karachi have full right of having their own administrative province, but you oppose it while you don't consider migrants to be equal Pakistani and you have prejudice against them.