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The original intention was considerably watered down in the making of the constitution. It is weird that we should be discussing this on PDF. Much the same discussion is going on in a private forum.

You are aware, of course, that contrary to the spewings of an apparent false-flagger, Kashmir was one of several states that were given the Sadr-e-Riyasat position instead of a Governor, and was also one of several states, the same as the previous bunch, to be offered the right to write a constitution of their own, subject to the provisions of the national constitution.

This would effectively laid the foundation of your confederation.

If you ask people like YLH, he would say that even the benefits of Pakistan might have been achieved through a Canadian kind of 'consociational' constitution and structure and processes.
Yes, the Congress party has rediscovered the virtues of federalism after they've been labelled as an anti National entity by BJP. Before the ascension of Modi to Delhi, the Congress party did everything that they could you erode the quasi nature of Indian federalism. Their efforts were only limited by the coalition nature of government in their tenure. Ironically, Modiji was pro federalism when he was the CM in Gujarat :laugh:

PS: The OP is not a false flagger. He or She is a troll. I find OPs posts funny. People will enjoy their time on their internet if they don't take it so seriously. :bunny:
 
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Yes, the Congress party has rediscovered the virtues of federalism after they've been labelled as an anti National entity by BJP. Before the ascension of Modi to Delhi, the Congress party did everything that they could you erode the quasi nature of Indian federalism. Their efforts were only limited by the coalition nature of government in their tenure. Ironically, Modiji was pro federalism when he was the CM in Gujarat :laugh:

PS: The OP is not a false flagger. He or She is a troll. I find OPs posts funny. People will enjoy their time on their internet if they don't take it so seriously. :bunny:
That is remarkably accurate!

There's another option.
How about actually asking them what they want?

Considering India shouts to the world about being the largest democracy in the world,
And, Pakistan keeps trying to be a good democracy despite hiccups every other decade.
How about we stop pretending to be democrats, but actually act like democrats.


Scotland has held around 3 independence referendums since 1979, that's true democracy.

There have been around 29 independence referendums in the world since the year 2000, that's just in the previous 22 years, and many more before that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_referendum

So, let's not pretend to be democracies, but act like democracies.


If people are scared of losing it all, then hold 5 separate referendums in the regions of Kashmir Valley, Azad Kashmir, Jammu, Ladakh and Gilgit Baltistan.
Let the people of the regions choose their own futures.

Demanding and expecting them to remain with India or Pakistan is selfish, undemocratic and with tens of thousands of horrific deaths reflects lack of respect for human rights.
I just saw this.
 
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The nightmares of colonization drove the congress party to make India into a (semi-federal) union. I would prefer India to be a confederation :cheers:

PS: Yes, I know that it will happen when pigs fly :laugh:

You do realise that if your wish had come true in history, it's very likely we'll all be living in a different reality. lol
 
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You do realise that if your wish had come true in history, it's very likely we'll all be living in a different reality. lol
Yes, indeed! India would be what EU can only hope to be (as a political entity).
 
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Let us agree to disagree totally. The way you have put it, you have shining angels on one side and devils doomed to hellfire on the other. If you are of that mind, there is no point in asking for a response.

The perpetual conflict that you have promised has led to an elimination of every extremist who infiltrated, without exception. What gains have been made by that?

There's far more to India's Kashmir policy than mystical infiltrators and even you know it.

At the end of the day, the morally correct solution regardless of how you view things is to simply allow the people to make their own decision, rather than have it dictated for them from Delhi or Islamabad. Only problem is that one side completely refuses to even acknowledge that as an option.
 
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There's far more to India's Kashmir policy than mystical infiltrators and even you know it.
By mystical (?mythical) infiltrators, did you mean they don't exist?
At the end of the day, the morally correct solution regardless of how you view things is to simply allow the people to make their own decision, rather than have it dictated for them from Delhi or Islamabad. Only problem is that one side completely refuses to even acknowledge that as an option.
I happen to agree.
 
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By mystical (?mythical) infiltrators, did you mean they don't exist?

I happen to agree.

I mean that its naive to think that the entire population of Kashmir is held hostage over such an irrelevant and minor point. It is simply a convenient excuse in order to refuse any kind of negotiation or peaceful settlement of the issue.

Besides that there is still no concrete evidence beyond some staged photos where the infiltrators always nice enough to remember to bring Pakistani currency and their Pakistani passport lol into a hostile country. This too from a military and government with a track record of inventing the truth (we shot down F-16, we did surgical strikes, Pakistan did Pathankot).

I happen to agree.

Then it sounds like you agree with Pakistan's stance on the issue, i.e a UN monitored referendum. Dont let any of your fellow countrymen hear...
 
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I mean that its naive to think that the entire population of Kashmir is held hostage over such an irrelevant and minor point. It is simply a convenient excuse in order to refuse any kind of negotiation or peaceful settlement of the issue.

Besides that there is still no concrete evidence beyond some staged photos where the infiltrators always nice enough to remember to bring Pakistani currency and their Pakistani passport lol into a hostile country. This too from a military and government with a track record of inventing the truth (we shot down F-16, we did surgical strikes, Pakistan did Pathankot).
You know what?

Belonging to PDF is such a nice thing. You get people saying things that they would never ever accept outside, or if said by someone else, least of all by an - eugghhh! - Indian.

Right here, on PDF, I've had people telling the world at large, as recently as the last seven days, that their bucks from the Punjab had wreaked havoc among the Indian security forces after they got across the border.

We don't have to do the proving; you do it yourselves with GREAT efficiency.

There was - just saying - that study by two American researchers - no, not Desis, goras - who went house to house and looked up the mothers of those killed and got their reactions of pride and satisfaction. Their count was within 10% of the number put out by the Indian Army as having infiltrated.

I don't have to prove anything to you. This is not a court of law. Just that when you and others come out with this distorted positions, it is quite boring. The time for pretending that all the SSG soldiers in Operation Gibraltar were natives of the Valley is about 57 years in the past.
Then it sounds like you agree with Pakistan's stance on the issue, i.e a UN monitored referendum. Dont let any of your fellow countrymen hear...
Not quite. Look at what you wrote. I agreed with that, not this embellishment.

New Delhi has been the villain of the piece. If babus in the bureaucracy had not come up with their half-arsed notions, and applied these to Kashmir, if they had not unleashed the police unnecessarily on the people, if they had not dragged the Indian Army kicking and screaming into a counter-insurgency role when the whole world knew that such a role totally ruins a formation for war-fighting, Kashmir would have been different today.

If I were appointed Governor of the full state, with all the laws and regulations as they were in 2014, I would solve the issue in three to five years. Ask me how, if you feel like it. Otherwise use one of those laughter emojis for a reaction, and let's move on.
 
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You know what?

Belonging to PDF is such a nice thing. You get people saying things that they would never ever accept outside, or if said by someone else, least of all by an - eugghhh! - Indian.

Right here, on PDF, I've had people telling the world at large, as recently as the last seven days, that their bucks from the Punjab had wreaked havoc among the Indian security forces after they got across the border.

We don't have to do the proving; you do it yourselves with GREAT efficiency.

There was - just saying - that study by two American researchers - no, not Desis, goras - who went house to house and looked up the mothers of those killed and got their reactions of pride and satisfaction. Their count was within 10% of the number put out by the Indian Army as having infiltrated.

I don't have to prove anything to you. This is not a court of law. Just that when you and others come out with this distorted positions, it is quite boring. The time for pretending that all the SSG soldiers in Operation Gibraltar were natives of the Valley is about 57 years in the past.

You don't have to prove anything but you cant expect anyone to take the Indian perspective seriously when there is little to back it up other than hearsay or events commited under military rule 6 decades ago. Please link this study that you talk about, all I can find is Indian based sources which is of course untrustworthy regarding Kashmir or Pakistan.

I find it hard to believe that in 2022, with over 600,000 troops posted on the border and countless security checkpoints and technology that there is still no evidence of anything that India claims. I also find it hard to believe that alleged infiltrators would carry blatantly incriminating or useless things such as currency, passports, or Pakistan only products, as they commit these actions.

Not quite. Look at what you wrote. I agreed with that, not this embellishment.

New Delhi has been the villain of the piece. If babus in the bureaucracy had not come up with their half-arsed notions, and applied these to Kashmir, if they had not unleashed the police unnecessarily on the people, if they had not dragged the Indian Army kicking and screaming into a counter-insurgency role when the whole world knew that such a role totally ruins a formation for war-fighting, Kashmir would have been different today.

If I were appointed Governor of the full state, with all the laws and regulations as they were in 2014, I would solve the issue in three to five years. Ask me how, if you feel like it. Otherwise use one of those laughter emojis for a reaction, and let's move on.

Enlighten me.

The most humane thing is to provide the Kashmiris with the right to determine their futures. That can only be done through direct democracy, which Pakistan favours as per the UN resolution.

The Indian stance is that Kashmir is ours because some unelected Hindu ruler said so at the very last minute while under duress, but oh please ignore Junagadh and Hyderabad because suddenly what the ruler decides is no longer important.
 
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You don't have to prove anything but you cant expect anyone to take the Indian perspective seriously when there is little to back it up other than hearsay or events commited under military rule 6 decades ago. Please link this study that you talk about, all I can find is Indian based sources which is of course untrustworthy regarding Kashmir or Pakistan.
I came across this years ago, and am not making a legal case. Still, I will try to find it. Even if I do, I doubt very strongly that it will change your views in the slightest. After all, it is open to you, as it is to anyone with freedom to travel within Pakistan, to check this for themselves.

You won't check, no other person able to check will check, largely because you don't want to know.

As far as the sources that you use - there is an example of the kind of gross error that they make just down below - I admire your confidence that they are any more authentic, rather than being reflections of frozen pre-dispositions.
I find it hard to believe that in 2022, with over 600,000 troops posted on the border and countless security checkpoints and technology that there is still no evidence of anything that India claims.
First, you should find it hard to believe that figure of 600,000. What do you think the Indian Army does for a living? The total strength is 1.2 million; I am sick of this half-baked assertion cropping up again and again and again, ironically from people who insist that my sources are wrong, theirs is right.

Here is the order of battle, provided by @Signalian (it is to be hoped that you know who he is, and what his reliability of information is):

XIV Corps - Leh
3 Infantry Division - Trishul - Leh
8 Mountain Division - Forever in Ops - Dras
121 (I) Infantry Brigade - Kargil Brigade - Kargil
102 (I) Infantry Brigade - Siachen Brigade - Partapur
118 (I) Infantry Brigade - Parashu - Nyoma
254 (I) Armoured Brigade - Snow Leopard - Leh


XV Chinar Corps - Srinagar
19 Infantry Division - Dagger - Baramulla
28 Infantry Division - Vajr - Gurez

You may notice that exactly TWO (2) infantry divisions are located within the Vale. Even including ALL the formations facing the PLA in east Ladakh (at that time of writing, 3 Infantry Division, 118 Independent Infantry and 254 Independent Armoured Brigade - all expansion due to the recent PLA pressure is on the locations facing the PLA).

There are another 50 formations of the Rashtriya Rifles, specialised in counter-insurgency; that is another 50,000 troops.

We are talking of 80,000 troops in the Vale, counting all the Rashtriya Rifle formations as being in the Vale - they are not - another perhaps 20,000 in the Dras-Kargil region. Please do the arithmetic yourself.

I cite this example as an instance of the hot air that flows around these discussions, with not the slightest effort, nor the slightest intention of getting correct data.
I also find it hard to believe that alleged infiltrators would carry blatantly incriminating or useless things such as currency, passports, or Pakistan only products, as they commit these actions.
It is better you check your own accounts, in the Punjab, and the wide-spread comments of Pakistani posts. Presumably these are loyal Pakistanis, not planted to give flesh to a mythical Indian case.
Enlighten me.
Very simply by relaxing the ridiculous steps taken in recent days.

The Kashmiri man in the street is fed up of leading a constrained life because of a right-wing autocracy that is in power in New Delhi.

If we treat the citizen in Kashmir exactly as we treat our citizens in Bengal, or in Telangana, it is my firm belief that 90% of the discontent will die down, and disappear. I will not go further than this level of mention, since the more detail that is supplied, the more objections of a wholly disputatious nature will be bred.

The most humane thing is to provide the Kashmiris with the right to determine their futures. That can only be done through direct democracy, which Pakistan favours as per the UN resolution.
Pakistan favours many things. The Union of India might not agree on all of these.

The Indian stance is that Kashmir is ours because some unelected Hindu ruler said so at the very last minute while under duress, but oh please ignore Junagadh and Hyderabad because suddenly what the ruler decides is no longer important.
On Junagadh, the clear understanding that was provided well in advance about the need for geographical contiguity was violated. On Hyderabad, at the time of independence, the effort was to try and set up a third Dominion, and was explicitly vetoed by the suzerain power. It was later that the red herring of acceding to Pakistan was floated, and even Mr. Jinnah did not support it.

So other than a determination to prove themselves right and everybody else wrong can justify either of these.

I suggest you contact the other member, M. Sarmad, with whom there are on record in PDF extensive discussions on these precise topics. It is regrettable that they had not come to your attention earlier.
 
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Pakistan favours many things. The Union of India might not agree on all of these.

That is the essence. Consequence is that hostility will stay and keep on simmering, till the time circumstances, which are substantially compelling, offer a resolution. Till that time peace in this region is a pipe dream and, of course, we are bound to live this menace.
 
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You don't have to prove anything but you cant expect anyone to take the Indian perspective seriously when there is little to back it up other than hearsay or events commited under military rule 6 decades ago. Please link this study that you talk about, all I can find is Indian based sources which is of course untrustworthy regarding Kashmir or Pakistan.
I came across this years ago, and am not making a legal case. Still, I will try to find it. Even if I do, I doubt very strongly that it will change your views in the slightest. After all, it is open to you, as it is to anyone with freedom to travel within Pakistan, to check this for themselves.

You won't check, no other person able to check will check, largely because you don't want to know.

As far as the sources that you use - there is an example of the kind of gross error that they make just down below - I admire your confidence that they are any more authentic, rather than being reflections of frozen pre-dispositions.
I find it hard to believe that in 2022, with over 600,000 troops posted on the border and countless security checkpoints and technology that there is still no evidence of anything that India claims.
First, you should find it hard to believe that figure of 600,000. What do you think the Indian Army does for a living? The total strength is 1.2 million; I am sick of this half-baked assertion cropping up again and again and again, ironically from people who insist that my sources are wrong, theirs is right.

Here is the order of battle, provided by @Signalian (it is to be hoped that you know who he is, and what his reliability of information is):

XIV Corps - Leh
3 Infantry Division - Trishul - Leh
8 Mountain Division - Forever in Ops - Dras
121 (I) Infantry Brigade - Kargil Brigade - Kargil
102 (I) Infantry Brigade - Siachen Brigade - Partapur
118 (I) Infantry Brigade - Parashu - Nyoma
254 (I) Armoured Brigade - Snow Leopard - Leh


XV Chinar Corps - Srinagar
19 Infantry Division - Dagger - Baramulla
28 Infantry Division - Vajr - Gurez

You may notice that exactly TWO (2) infantry divisions are located within the Vale. Even including ALL the formations facing the PLA in east Ladakh (at that time of writing, 3 Infantry Division, 118 Independent Infantry and 254 Independent Armoured Brigade - all expansion due to the recent PLA pressure is on the locations facing the PLA).

There are another 50 formations of the Rashtriya Rifles, specialised in counter-insurgency; that is another 50,000 troops.

We are talking of 80,000 troops in the Vale, counting all the Rashtriya Rifle formations as being in the Vale - they are not - another perhaps 20,000 in the Dras-Kargil region. Please do the arithmetic yourself.

I cite this example as an instance of the hot air that flows around these discussions, with not the slightest effort, nor the slightest intention of getting correct data.
I also find it hard to believe that alleged infiltrators would carry blatantly incriminating or useless things such as currency, passports, or Pakistan only products, as they commit these actions.
It is better you check your own accounts, in the Punjab, and the wide-spread comments of Pakistani posts. Presumably these are loyal Pakistanis, not planted to give flesh to a mythical Indian case.
Enlighten me.
Very simply by relaxing the ridiculous steps taken in recent days.

The Kashmiri man in the street is fed up of leading a constrained life because of a right-wing autocracy that is in power in New Delhi.

If we treat the citizen in Kashmir exactly as we treat our citizens in Bengal, or in Telangana, it is my firm belief that 90% of the discontent will die down, and disappear. I will not go further than this level of mention, since the more detail that is supplied, the more objections of a wholly disputatious nature will be bred.

The most humane thing is to provide the Kashmiris with the right to determine their futures. That can only be done through direct democracy, which Pakistan favours as per the UN resolution.
Pakistan favours many things. The Union of India might not agree on all of these.

The Indian stance is that Kashmir is ours because some unelected Hindu ruler said so at the very last minute while under duress, but oh please ignore Junagadh and Hyderabad because suddenly what the ruler decides is no longer important.
On Junagadh, the clear understanding that was provided well in advance about the need for geographical contiguity was violated. On Hyderabad, at the time of independence, the effort was to try and set up a third Dominion, and was explicitly vetoed by the suzerain power. It was later that the red herring of acceding to Pakistan was floated, and even Mr. Jinnah did not support it.

So other than a determination to prove themselves right and everybody else wrong can justify either of these.

I suggest you contact the other member, M. Sarmad, with whom there are on record in PDF extensive discussions on these precise topics. It is regrettable that they had not come to your attention earlier.
That is the essence. Consequence is that hostility will stay and keep on simmering, till the time circumstances, which are substantially compelling, offer a resolution. Till that time peace in this region is a pipe dream and, of course, we are bound to live this menace.
We might start by deciding a reconciliation strategy. A fond wish without a strategy will remain just a pain in the elbow.

This strategy could be to start with the outliers. Find the extreme examples, and decide to either deal with them, or decide to leave them alone until the less controversial matters are dealt with.

When we deal with a mountain of debt - I realise that with most of those reading this, it is an unfamiliar situation - what do we do? Biggest first, or smallest first? The answer will show us that it is possible to proceed, that it may take time, that if the wish is there, the solution will emerge.
 
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We might start by deciding a reconciliation strategy. A fond wish without a strategy will remain just a pain in the elbow.

This strategy could be to start with the outliers. Find the extreme examples, and decide to either deal with them, or decide to leave them alone until the less controversial matters are dealt with.

When we deal with a mountain of debt - I realise that with most of those reading this, it is an unfamiliar situation - what do we do? Biggest first, or smallest first? The answer will show us that it is possible to proceed, that it may take time, that if the wish is there, the solution will emerge.

Well, what you are suggesting, has already been going on, between India and Pakistan, in different spells, at least for about 40 cumulative years, if not more, per my crude arithmetic, in the last 75 years of our existence and conflict. Still, off and on, things have got flared up and the fundamental hostility has never ceased to exist.

Reason is simple: Tuberculosis cannot be treated with aspirin and cough syrups. They at best only provide some temporary symptomatic relief.
 
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Well, what you are suggesting, has already been going on, between India and Pakistan, in different spells, at least for about 40 cumulative years, if not more, per my crude arithmetic, in the last 75 years of our existence and conflict. Still, off and on, things have got flared up and the fundamental hostility has never ceased to exist.

Reason is simple: Tuberculosis cannot be treated with aspirin and cough syrups. They at best only provide some temporary symptomatic relief.
I agree completely that these serious ailments cannot be treated with aspirin and cough syrups.

However, that is a facile and misleading analogy.

It is more accurate to remind ourselves that tuberculosis can be treated - I stand before you a living example - but that interrupting that treatment immeasurably complicates the situation. Recovery from such interruptions is progressively difficult, and finally, if it occurs twice, or thrice, it may go beyond the power of the usual drugs to heal.

If we are to deal with these problems, from the Indian side, ignoring what the Pakistani side does, we need to set up a constitutional body, independent of the general administration and of elected governments, to negotiate and to decide on ameliorative steps, a body that will its ranks by co-opting members.

To give you an example of the kind of effect that a policy of pacific intent would have, it is worth recalling that between the administration of I. K. Gujral and that of Manmohan Singh, before 2014, in fact, the mandate for RAW vis-a-vis Pakistan was confined to supervision and oversight, and there was no encouragement of anything even a step beyond.

It is quite another matter that Pakistani diplomats coaxed an unwary Manmohan Singh to agree to discuss matters relating to Balochistan, and that this has become a regular feature of their rant. It is also quite another matter that after the government changed, relations sagged to their worst level since the Zia ul Haq days, thanks to the mutual one-upmanship of two sets of utterly irresponsible people.

Everything other than the Indus Waters Treaty provisions and consequences, and Kashmir, would be out of the way in between two to three years, never to recur.
 
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I came across this years ago, and am not making a legal case. Still, I will try to find it. Even if I do, I doubt very strongly that it will change your views in the slightest. After all, it is open to you, as it is to anyone with freedom to travel within Pakistan, to check this for themselves.

You won't check, no other person able to check will check, largely because you don't want to know.

As far as the sources that you use - there is an example of the kind of gross error that they make just down below - I admire your confidence that they are any more authentic, rather than being reflections of frozen pre-dispositions.

Post it first before you make assumptions

First, you should find it hard to believe that figure of 600,000. What do you think the Indian Army does for a living? The total strength is 1.2 million; I am sick of this half-baked assertion cropping up again and again and again, ironically from people who insist that my sources are wrong, theirs is right.

Here is the order of battle, provided by @Signalian (it is to be hoped that you know who he is, and what his reliability of information is):

XIV Corps - Leh
3 Infantry Division - Trishul - Leh
8 Mountain Division - Forever in Ops - Dras
121 (I) Infantry Brigade - Kargil Brigade - Kargil
102 (I) Infantry Brigade - Siachen Brigade - Partapur
118 (I) Infantry Brigade - Parashu - Nyoma
254 (I) Armoured Brigade - Snow Leopard - Leh


XV Chinar Corps - Srinagar
19 Infantry Division - Dagger - Baramulla
28 Infantry Division - Vajr - Gurez

You may notice that exactly TWO (2) infantry divisions are located within the Vale. Even including ALL the formations facing the PLA in east Ladakh (at that time of writing, 3 Infantry Division, 118 Independent Infantry and 254 Independent Armoured Brigade - all expansion due to the recent PLA pressure is on the locations facing the PLA).

There are another 50 formations of the Rashtriya Rifles, specialised in counter-insurgency; that is another 50,000 troops.

We are talking of 80,000 troops in the Vale, counting all the Rashtriya Rifle formations as being in the Vale - they are not - another perhaps 20,000 in the Dras-Kargil region. Please do the arithmetic yourself.

I cite this example as an instance of the hot air that flows around these discussions, with not the slightest effort, nor the slightest intention of getting correct data.

Its commonly stated by analysts that Indian troops number in the hundreds of thousands. Pakistan claims it is somewhere between 600,000 to 1 million, whereas most reputable analysts have placed estimates between 250,000 and 400,000. For the record this larger numbers also typically factor other services such as the Central armed police force, which are relevant in computing the power disparity in the context of an Indo-Pak conflict.

Here The Times claimed that it is estimated to be around 250,000 in 2004. Here is an Indian source claiming from documents that the number is 168,000.

It is insane to claim that there is so little posted in Kashmir considering that there are at least a minimum of three Corps (XIV, XV, XVI) posted there alongside other military branches, armed police, and special forces. Pakistan military personel in that region are well over 100,000, and considering Indian land doctrine is based on numbers it is hard to believe any of what you have said.

Besides that the complete order of battle is obviously not public information for obvious reasons. In fact it would be the logical conclusion that the numbers have been heavily supplemented by other formations after China opened a soft front in the North.

If we treat the citizen in Kashmir exactly as we treat our citizens in Bengal, or in Telangana, it is my firm belief that 90% of the discontent will die down, and disappear. I will not go further than this level of mention, since the more detail that is supplied, the more objections of a wholly disputatious nature will be bred.

It is far too gone for that. A change in policy will not suddenly erase 40 years of mistreatment.

Also by acknowledging that there is mistreatment you would be conceding ground to independence activists, and under your equal treatment policy you would have to allow Kashmiri nationalist parties, discussions, and gatherings taking place. Complete daydreaming in a region where civillians are literally tied to the front of jeeps and used as human shields by Indian military.

On Junagadh, the clear understanding that was provided well in advance about the need for geographical contiguity was violated. On Hyderabad, at the time of independence, the effort was to try and set up a third Dominion, and was explicitly vetoed by the suzerain power. It was later that the red herring of acceding to Pakistan was floated, and even Mr. Jinnah did not support it.

So other than a determination to prove themselves right and everybody else wrong can justify either of these.

I suggest you contact the other member, M. Sarmad, with whom there are on record in PDF extensive discussions on these precise topics. It is regrettable that they had not come to your attention earlier.

Jungadh was a literal violation of the rulers wish to accede to Pakistan, geographical contiguity is completely irrelevant from a legal standpoint. The fact of the matter is that it stands as a point of hypocrisy to Indians claiming any kind of high ground on the dispute. The entire justification of such an illegal action was based on the supposed principle that the majority Hindu population would not wish to join Pakistan, a principle conveniently swept under the rug when it comes to Kashmir.

Hyderabad favoured Independence initially true, however the entire act of annexation was not only an imperial fetish but due to the very real and present fact that the Nizam was rumoured to join Pakistan. Striking similarities to Kashmir and completely relevant for someone like a third party mediator to consider, which is why India refuses any sort of peaceful resolution at all.
 
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