Prove your loyalty to Kashmiri Muslims

[MultaniGuy]

Holding free and fair assembly elections is the first step. Almost impossible under the current regime. Rest of the points I have already covered in my original and subsequent post. LOC should be made an international border. Kashmiris on both sides should be allowed to visit each other easily.

And what would be the incentive for Pakistan to accept LOC as international Border, what is the incentive for Kashmiris.

According to the partition plan there is supposed to be a plebiscite to determine the destiny of the whole region.

It appears you are not honest.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

I am calling a spade a spade. We cannot turn in our tracks every twenty years or so, as a new trend comes up.

At the time of independence, it was clearly understood that India had set out to be a secular democratic republic and that people of all religions would be given complete parity in their residence in India. Today, 75 years later, a virulent set of political Hindus has created a completely unhealthy atmosphere in the country, creating hatred against one section of the population for their own political gains. Should we change?

What you are suggesting is playing to the gallery. Put a sock in it.

Kashmiri Muslims have been fighting for Independence much before sanghis became famous.

I am not playing to any gallery rather you seem to be beating around the bush.

I am proposing Kashmiris get full independence from India. No half measures.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Perhaps if bhartis weren’t so insecure, Kashmiris would want to join the Indian Union of their own accord. But currently, their mindset of suffocating Kashmiri will, and self denial is only exacerbating the issue.

This aptly illustrates bharti behavior in regards to kashmir:

 

[MultaniGuy]

Funny part, the Indians lose the argument or stop debating when they do not answer the part where according to the partition plan there is supposed to be a plebiscite to determine the destiny of the region.

Holding free and fair assembly elections is the first step. Almost impossible under the current regime. Rest of the points I have already covered in my original and subsequent post. LOC should be made an international border. Kashmiris on both sides should be allowed to visit each other easily.

Accepting LOC as international border is not acceptable to Pakistanis and Kashmiris.

So be it then, let the conflict last for another 1000 years. Pakistan's fight is just and honest.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Kashmiri Muslims have been fighting for Independence much before sanghis became famous.

I am not playing to any gallery rather you seem to be beating around the bush.

I am proposing Kashmiris get full independence from India. No half measures.

Please continue your endeavours. You need to check your dates, not according to your wishful thinking, but according to the facts on record.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Quite right.

We cannot be hypocrites.

We cannot pretend to be anti-Sanghi, and hang our laundry on that peg.

The essential question about Indians facing the Sangh Parivar is whether or not there should be equality for all religions in India, or not. The matter is stark and simple. Pretending that other issues are mingled with this is the hypocrisy that you are complaining about.

Again I am proposing that Kashmiri Muslims get full independence from India.

So how they will be treated is irrelevant.

Please continue your endeavours.

The question is simple. Will you support or not. Yes or No.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

You need to ask yourself - who cares about your opinion?

This thread is a poll.

It is soliciting everyone's opinion.

Now give us your opinion instead of beating around the bush.

 

[Paitoo]

Funny part, the Indians lose the argument or stop debating when they do not answer the part where according to the partition plan there is supposed to be a plebiscite to determine the destiny of the region.


Accepting LOC as international border is not acceptable to Pakistanis and Kashmiris.

So be it then, let the conflict last for another 1000 years. Pakistan's fight is just and honest.

Not responding immediately does not mean one is running away from an argument. I am sure you have other things to attend to too.

I don't want to make this thread about my opinion, but since you called me dishonest, let me answer that part also.

Regardless of my political affiliations, I support the official Indian government view (which is party agnostic) that current conditions are not conducive to plebiscite. This is what my nationality entails. I have made no other claims regarding this on the forum. In fact this is the first time I have ever expressed my views on Kashmir on this forum. I wish I had done this independently instead of responding to a flame bait post by a known mischief maker (OP), but it doesn't matter. It is important that if I engage on this forum, other members are aware of my views on as many subjects as possible, so that they can choose to ignore me or engage with me.

If you think my dishonesty arises from me claiming to be anti right wing in other posts and supporting Indian government stand on Kashmir, then my view is there is no paradox in this. Anti BJP parties also do not oppose the official Indian view on Kashmir. At best they may speak for restoring Article 370, but they stop at that.

If Pakistanis want to engage with Indians on the forum (and vice versa), they must understand that no matter how much we agree with each other on certain things, in the end we will have to defend our people. As much as I dislike Indian trolls, when there is an actual conflict, I will defend my fellow Indians, as I am sure you will defend your fellow Pakistanis. We have to learn to engage on the forum despite this knowledge, rather than under the belief that we agree with each other.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

@Battlion25 and @PakSarZameen47

May I know why you voted NO?

 

[PakSarZameen47]

@Battlion25 and @PakSarZameen47

May I know why you voted NO?

Mistake changed vote

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Holding free and fair assembly elections is the first step. Almost impossible under the current regime. Rest of the points I have already covered in my original and subsequent post. LOC should be made an international border. Kashmiris on both sides should be allowed to visit each other easily.

Why would Pakistan ever recognise the LOC as an international border when India is an untrustworthy partner who is not interested in negotiations, discussions, or mediation regarding Kashmir?

From Pakistans perspective, India's hypocrisy in Kashmir completely justifies our stance towards them and points out the Western worlds complete apathy to Muslim struggles.

No Indian government, whether Sanghi, Congressi, Communist or Coalition is ever going to allow a referendum. It is better to work within this reality. It will amount to political suicide and I dare say even threat to personal security of the decision makers from extreme nationalist elements.

If all political parties refuse a peaceful negotiation of Kashmir, then there is no guarantee that those extreme nationalist elements wont push for an attack on Pakistan in the future if it ever lets its guard down. Indians need to decide if they want to respect the wishes of Kashmiris and let them decide their own future for peace or toe the extremist line and be in perpetual conflict forever.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Not Kashmiris only, 250 million Indian Muslims, 28 million Christians and 21 million Sikhs need independence from the Hindu Republic of India

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why would Pakistan ever recognise the LOC as an international border when India is an untrustworthy partner who is not interested in negotiations, discussions, or mediation regarding Kashmir?

From Pakistans perspective, India's hypocrisy in Kashmir completely justifies our stance towards them and points out the Western worlds complete apathy to Muslim struggles.



If all political parties refuse a peaceful negotiation of Kashmir, then there is no guarantee that those extreme nationalist elements wont push for an attack on Pakistan in the future if it ever lets its guard down. Indians need to decide if they want to respect the wishes of Kashmiris and let them decide their own future for peace or toe the extremist line and be in perpetual conflict forever.

Let us agree to disagree totally. The way you have put it, you have shining angels on one side and devils doomed to hellfire on the other. If you are of that mind, there is no point in asking for a response.

The perpetual conflict that you have promised has led to an elimination of every extremist who infiltrated, without exception. What gains have been made by that?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Not responding immediately does not mean one is running away from an argument. I am sure you have other things to attend to too.

I don't want to make this thread about my opinion, but since you called me dishonest, let me answer that part also.

Regardless of my political affiliations, I support the official Indian government view (which is party agnostic) that current conditions are not conducive to plebiscite. This is what my nationality entails. I have made no other claims regarding this on the forum. In fact this is the first time I have ever expressed my views on Kashmir on this forum. I wish I had done this independently instead of responding to a flame bait post by a known mischief maker (OP), but it doesn't matter. It is important that if I engage on this forum, other members are aware of my views on as many subjects as possible, so that they can choose to ignore me or engage with me.

If you think my dishonesty arises from me claiming to be anti right wing in other posts and supporting Indian government stand on Kashmir, then my view is there is no paradox in this. Anti BJP parties also do not oppose the official Indian view on Kashmir. At best they may speak for restoring Article 370, but they stop at that.

If Pakistanis want to engage with Indians on the forum (and vice versa), they must understand that no matter how much we agree with each other on certain things, in the end we will have to defend our people. As much as I dislike Indian trolls, when there is an actual conflict, I will defend my fellow Indians, as I am sure you will defend your fellow Pakistanis. We have to learn to engage on the forum despite this knowledge, rather than under the belief that we agree with each other.

That can be respected.

 

[SIPRA]

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