Possible steps to counter the rising threat from IAF ?

[osama zafar]

No threat at all from IAF we got quality

 

[NKVD]

No threat at all from IAF we got quality

Quality pp:p are talking about PAF

 

[rockstarIN]

Hi,

The consequences---we will either be smashed to kingdom come or we will cease to exist because the war will take the turn for worst----there will be mushrooms all over.

For the sole reason for the war to stay conventional----paf needs more aircraft---long range SA missiles amongst other items. And for that reason alone---you don't hear the nuc rhetoric from Pakistan as often as before----because PAF is at least a 100 + times more potent than what was it in 1998-99.

If for any reason----paf cannot have enough aircraft----medium and long range missile will make a bigg difference against the incoming aircraft.

One thing the reader needs to understand----paf will target the SU 30s more than any other aircraft with its BLK 52's and aim 120's----the americans are desperate to know what it will do against the fabled SU----for that reason---we may not see the SU 30 in combat as much as the other aircraft----you get the SU 30 you got the Achilles heal---SU 30 and Sachin are considered and revered at the same level.

The problem with paf is that it is an ego driven agency----for that reason pak army needs to take charge of the long ange S A missile defence if it already does not have it---.

Every discussion about iaf ..paf scenario people tend to forget about the main front line jets and focus about mki. The mig 29s and bisons.

If you check the fighters deployed near pak border, it is mostly the migs. Bisons and mig 29s are well trained specially against f.16s vigorously. Like the westate, the Russian camp will also eager too see how a well updated mig 29 perform against f..16 in a well trained hands.

 

[Storm Force]

Masterkhan.

You mentioned the block 52 and amraan mlu f16 targetting the mki.

You do realise that the iaf have today 200 mki to your mere 63 falcons.

In three years time iaf will have 272 mki and you guys 76 falcons.based on current orders from both countries

Even if we spli the mki to half for China they stil outnumber your main fighter 2 l to one.

Not only that but against your older falcons I bet the Iaf and navy mig29 and mirage 2000/5 with mica wil be a great fight and we have 150 of these too

 

[truthseeker2010]

Masterkhan.

You mentioned the block 52 and amraan mlu f16 targetting the mki.

You do realise that the iaf have today 200 mki to your mere 63 falcons.

In three years time iaf will have 272 mki and you guys 76 falcons.based on current orders from both countries

Even if we spli the mki to half for China they stil outnumber your main fighter 2 l to one.

Not only that but against your older falcons I bet the Iaf and navy mig29 and mirage 2000/5 with mica wil be a great fight and we have 150 of these too

ur missing the bvr of JF-17

 

[Storm Force]

Nothing against thunder I'm sure it's a good plane.

India will focus on breaking th e falcon fleet and destroying your command and control infrastructure.

We take out 70% of your falcon threat ie fifty planes we have taken out your main force multipler.

 

[Storm Force]

For you guys it's the same

You need to break the mki fleet .

But it's s massive fleet in nos

 

[Basel]

JF-17 could not be converted into stealth aircraft. It does not have Stealth capable Airframe.
Whosoever signed that MOU is a delusional idiot who is being ripped off by Chinese.

Man you just did not understand what i was talking about, please read my post again and try to undersand it.

JF-17 can become more advance then Advance Super Hornet F-18 if it is properly reshaped and pods, conformal fuel tanks are developed and IAF will have nothing to handle it. CAC have all nearly done on paper they just have to bring all those things together to make JF-17-NG it can be 4.8 gen fighter but Pakistan have to finance it.

 

[MastanKhan]

Masterkhan.

You mentioned the block 52 and amraan mlu f16 targetting the mki.

You do realise that the iaf have today 200 mki to your mere 63 falcons.

In three years time iaf will have 272 mki and you guys 76 falcons.based on current orders from both countries

Even if we spli the mki to half for China they stil outnumber your main fighter 2 l to one.

Not only that but against your older falcons I bet the Iaf and navy mig29 and mirage 2000/5 with mica wil be a great fight and we have 150 of these too

Hi,

No sir----with close to 50% down time----you only have 100 available and out of those 100 only 1/2 will be deployed for the support on this side---the other half still on Chinese border.

 

[danger007]

Hi,

No sir----with close to 50% down time----you only have 100 available and out of those 100 only 1/2 will be deployed for the support on this side---the other half still on Chinese border.

how about 50% of f 16 availability at that time???you can't send all of them together right.

 

[MastanKhan]

how about 50% of f 16 availability at that time???you can't send all of them together right.

Our down time is like 10% and in time of war---it will be like 2 - 3 % during the first waves----.

 

[Didact]

Hi,

No sir----with close to 50% down time----you only have 100 available and out of those 100 only 1/2 will be deployed for the support on this side---the other half still on Chinese border.

No Sir, You are mistaken.

The 50% fleet availability rate is for peace time operations. That number might appear on the lower side, but it compares reasonably well with other heavy class fighters. Take for example the F-15E. In 2010, the F-15E fleet, with an average age of over 16 years, had and aircraft availability rate of 59 percent. In a similar vein, for FY10, the F-15C/D’s aircraft availability was 65 percent.

Again I do emphasise that these numbers quoted above are for peace time operations only. During wartime, the fleet availability can be raised as per demand. Typically this involves raising availability to 80-85% for day 1, then dropping progressively to 60-75% on day 2 and finally to around 50% on day 3 and beyond. A similar structure exists for the PAF, give or take a few percentage points.

And again, I have no idea where this 50% fleet deployed for China comes up. The recent wargames have demonstrated MKI aircraft from Eastern Air command contributing air assets for strikes against simulated targets in West India (read Pak), with the aircraft immediately returning to home base to take up air duties in their home sector.

For atleast the first few days, maybe upto a week, the IAF can and if needed, pull assets from the Eastern command without severely affecting its air defense posture. And if different squadrons are called in a methodological order, even aggressive CAPs may be maintained over Eastern airspace.

 

[Neemo neemo]

Sir,

Believe that on you own peril---.



Children should read twice before having a knee jerk reaction.

Oh Wise One, Please be thy light on this dubious world, as to explain us.

 

[Storm Force]

Master Khan.

in reply to your comment

No sir----with close to 50% down time----you only have 100 available and out of those 100 only 1/2 will be deployed for the support on this side---the other half still on Chinese border.

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Do you honestly think IAF will go to war with a 50% serviced fleet of its premiere fighter.

Get Real

More importantly do you see USA rushing spares in to HELP YOU FIGHT their long term strategic ally india.

Russia & Israel will never let us down in any situation.

IN CONTRAST with your premiere fighter the F16 will be threatened by sanctions/embargos you as they have done this numerous times already.

 

[Storm Force]

I honestly believe the IAF will look to engage your falcons early. Once this fleet is neutrilised your main threat is gone.

To derail your F16 threat we need to take out 50 planes max.

Its unfortunate for you guys that your KEY main fighter is an AMERICAN ORIGIN fighter and subject to scruitney and careful vigilance by the Pentagon and USA technicians.

The Americans will never back you in a war against india today the way they did in 1971 or 65 or indeed they way the chinease will.

WE INDIANS SEE THIS AS A WEAKNESS IN YOUR ARMOUR and a bad move to have acquired F16 rather than J10 from china