Dr. Strangelove
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we seriously lack a long range anti air defence system we should have a system like hq-9
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According to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence (15th Lok Sabha), the present number of combat squadron has dwindled to 34 against the sanction strength of 42. Moreover, the number is likely to reduce further to 31 during the 12th Plan (2012-2017).
But IAF has a clear and correct plan.., That is the IAF has made a two-prong approach: upgrading existing fighters (MiG-29, Jaguar and Mirage 2000) while inducting new ones. The aim of the IAF is to increase its combat squadron strength to 40-42 by the end of 14th Plan (2022-27) and eventually to 45 squadrons by the 15th Plan (2027-2032)..
Mig29, mirage 2000, jaguar upgrades+ more su30mki+ Dassault Rafale+ LCA mk2+Sukhoi HAL PMF+ HAL AMCA etc..
IAF plans are clear..
The question is how PAF counter it??
Now only 50 JF17 block2 is before us..
Same applicable to other assets also..
Also how can we compare 50 million dollar/aircraft mirage 2k upgrade with 6million/aircraft f16mlu upgrade??
Due you really have funds to operate J-31 or you are punching in airis it 2022 yet? not interested in fantasy parade, wait 2022, you may have to deal with j-31s as well.
you might have missed the fact that although there is a sharp decline in sqdn strength, mig21 and mig23 sqdns that have been decommissioned have been replaced with SU30MKI's.... along with that Mirage 2000H and Mig29M are undergoing upgrades to become fully multirole platforms. All IAF platforms have BVR capabilities, and completely integrated with the AWACS platforms.last i heard the IAF sqdrn strength was depleting even below the all time low of 34, i guess they should be worried hiw to counter a qualitative AWACS and AAR equipped PAF, nothing could be more worse then the 90s, a decade that taught hard lessons and the art of countering the enemy against heavy odds.
you might have missed the fact that although there is a sharp decline in sqdn strength, mig21 and mig23 sqdns that have been decommissioned have been replaced with SU30MKI's.... along with that Mirage 2000H and Mig29M are undergoing upgrades to become fully multirole platforms. All IAF platforms have BVR capabilities, and completely integrated with the AWACS platforms.
Not to mention Two additional squads of Naval mig29K's.
Due you really have funds to operate J-31 or you are punching in air
If you think Induction of rafale's do not give a technological edge to IAF, then it's your choice... Who am I to argue, an overconfident adversary is always good news for us.to be concise, the situation today for PAF is leaps and bounds better than what it was in the 90s.I dont go into numbers count but IAF has had, likely to have an upper hand in that regime but no edge in technology in foreseeable future unless FGFA is inducted while PAF has no 5th gen to counter it.
That might be a possibility in the future.... But looking at your traditional trends in Defense allocations, doesn't look like PN will get this opportunity anytime soon. And if does happen, by then you will have to contend with 3 IN CBG'sDo you think,Pakistan GDP remain so?just watch out the increase after the base year change.you might have to deal with aircraft carrier in the future
Guys after been reading the posts in thread "JF-17 Thunder Multirole fighter [ thread 6 ] " i think its important for us to discuss the weakness of our Airforce ... and also the possible solution with proper facts and figure , based on reality .. not on assumption .
Our Navy and Air force , are far behind their possible enemy , and there is no upcoming plans to deter any possible threat ...
IAF already has some 200+ Mki which is itself a air superiority fighter , along with mirage 2ks and Jaguars .. the challenge for PAF is much bigger than they think. ..
PAF has some 73 F-16's , 50 Jfs and 150+ F-7's and 60+ mirage III-IV ROSE //but are they enough to secure our Air space from the rising threat from our neighbors ?
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As some of the members here show concern about a possible full scale war , where our Air force is standing ??
here one thing we have to keep in mind that we dont even have a potent Air defense network , or SAM's , the only potent SAM we are operating is SPADA-2000 but is that enough ??
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what i believe that our CM's are able to hit forward and deep bases across the border but are they enough ?? does the creation of N-weapons means that now we should not focus on any conventional systems ??
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Obviously its not easy to launch a Nuclear strike on a country , we are not USA and dont have ability to sustain the possible outcome of a Nuclear war ....
so today or even in future the war will remain Conventional , where our Air force lacks some technology gaps and also heavily outnumbered from their enemy ..
what i want to discuss that what can PAF do to deter this threat , should we go for stop gaps , invest in long term projects , or short term ?? buy med and long range SAM's or buying some Used 4+ and 4++ fighters .. ?!
keep the budget of PAF in mind please before anyone suggest something .. so as i mentioned the solution should not be unrealistic ..
This thread is not a Vs thread for trolls , nor i am assuming any War scenario right now .. ...
so any attempt to troll will result in report and banned from the thread ..
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bring back peace and have peace deal
You have yourself enlisted the IAF current inventory of true BVR capable Air superiority / multirole fighter Jet (MKI+MiG-29+Mirage, excluding JAGs and MiG-21)