[POLL] Do you like Iran now or Iran before 1979?

[Saddam Hussein]

The whole region was better before 1979, except Turkey and Gulf states whom didn't experience major wars, sanctions and Jihadis.

 

[Solomon2]

iran before 1979 a free country . i don't like sawak or king but society was open and liberal before 1979

There was more freedom of speech under the Shah and property rights were more secure and the oil-fueled economic growth was impressive but the Shah was nevertheless a dictator; I recall one American diplomat's memoir that he had extracted a promise from the Shah that an opposition politician would not be killed but the Shah had him executed overnight anyway. But in the 70s the Shah loosened up and let opposition like Khomeini flee the country instead.

When Khomeini's gang took over the Shah's much-criticized secret police Savak changed its name and went to work for the mullahs without batting an eyelid, pretending all the old personnel had departed.

 

[Hack-Hook]

As I havn't seen iran before 1979 well I prefer not to make any choice here.

Ya!

Btw, @Indus Pakistan there is some talk about the Shah's son gathering nationalist forces ...

Cheers, Doc

He is gathering shit ,even the one around him don't believe in him. They just there to see if they can made any gain.

 

[timmy_area51]

Before 1979 , you could pass an English exam and then board a 747 to america and study there as a respected minority . nowadays being an iranian-american is worse than being a Niqqer.

 

[Solomon2]

Before 1979 , you could pass an English exam and then board a 747 to america and study there as a respected minority . nowadays being an iranian-american is worse than being a Niqqer.

Actually, Iranian students continue to come to the U.S. to study, though under Trump their visa applications aren't approved so quickly. And FWIW I've never heard it said that Iranian-Americans experience any kind of race problem - certainly the ones I've met never say so to me.

 

[timmy_area51]

Before 1979 there were 100,000+ iranian jews for about 25 million iranians total . nowadays there are about 40,000 jews for 90 million plus .

Actually, Iranian students continue to come to the U.S. to study, though under Trump their visa applications aren't approved so quickly. And FWIW I've never heard it said that Iranian-Americans experience any kind of race problem - certainly the ones I've met never say so to me.

i bet the ones who speak to you also tell you their best friends are jewish .. hahahahahhaa

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

With such a majestic Padishah around, who won't??

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

With such a majestic Padishah around, who won't??

Monarchy is really ineffective unless it's constitutional monarchy. We Chinese toppled emperor and became super power. Now we can build nukes, space station, J-20 fighter jets, Type 055 destroyers. Even Americans are getting scared.

 

[Solomon2]

i bet the ones who speak to you also tell you their best friends are jewish .. hahahahahhaa

They never talk to me about life in Iran. Not only won't they talk about anything bad; they won't talk about anything good. It's like they came out of some black hole or something...though one woman did tell me that she emigrated because her home town ran out of water.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Monarchy is really ineffective unless it's constitutional monarchy. We Chinese toppled emperor and became super power.

Empires are for the folks with Deep History, Culture, Language, Commitments etc.!! Nation states are for the folks who have recently found their freedom with no legacy or ownership of the History!!!

By the by, the tallest building in the NYC is called Empire State Building, and NY is called the Empire State for a reason.....

 

[timmy_area51]

They never talk to me about life in Iran. Not only won't they talk about anything bad; they won't talk about anything good. It's like they came out of some black hole or something...though one woman did tell me that she emigrated because her home town ran out of water.

yes , but remember everyone can play dumb .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

there is some talk about the Shah's son gathering nationalist forces

Not going to happen. The monarchy is discredited. What people don't know Iran has strong leftist stream [Tudeh] and they along with the Islamists brought the monarchy down. They are still there in the background.

 

[Yankee-stani]

My father lived in Iran for a year in 1974-1975. When I showed him pictures of pre revolution Iran and how liberal they we're, he laughed at me and told me how Conservative and backwards they were He told me not to believe in singular pictures and that these pictures show an absolute minority and he traveled to different cities in Iran and they were just like Pakistan in most instance.

One of my Uncle who passed recently also lived in Iran in the Shah Era and told me the same exact story The Shah only enriched his inner circles in Tehran rest of the country was poor and btw the Shah was unpopular with everybody he was placed by the Yanks twice in the 1950s and had to use brute force through SAVAK had Mossdegh stayed in Power Iranian Islamic Revolt of 1978-1979 would have never occured

MeK ( Mujahideen-e-Khalq ) ??

And if the Islamic Republic were to fall the MEK would enter in power they are more socially conservative than even the Islamic Republic but they are Yankee puppets.

Bingo. As it is with nearly 40 years of crippling sanctions, wasted war with Iraq over a decade Iran still has decent basic underpining. Their literacy rate is very good. Their female literacy and employment rates are amongst the best in the world matching Norway. Their scientific graduate output is impressive. Their basic population is literate and socially progressive/forward looking. Even now if the arresting mullah regime came down and sanctions were removed this country would go strength to strength. Now can you imagine Shah had remained in power where they would have been today? Turkey and Iran would be major economies and with massive inter-linkages of trade etc. Like I said a nascent emerging economic block that would pull in most of Central Asia and Pakistan.

@Indus Pakistan I like you and mostly agree on what you say about Pakistan but this nah, The overthrow of the Shah did not kill off a chance of a potential block.You could rant about the regime but the blame is on Pakistan and the rise of sectarian hatred of Shia's under Zia Ul Haq in the 1980s eventhough he did arm Iran but that was to keep Balochistan stable and The Iraqi regime under Saddam supported the Balochi sepratists.The RCD block is said to have died in 1979 it died earlier in the 70s thanks to Bhutto and the 71 war Iran thought Pakistan was too weak and basically blew us off so no he wasnt Pro Pakistan as some people thought he just saw us as a vassal state only to be used when needed, btw the RCD did not dissolve officially until like 1985 but was replaced by the ECD in the late 1980s and Early 1990s thanks to Turgut Ozal when he was leading Turkey at the time Pakistan had so many chances but blew it again in 1991 when the USSR Failed could have had Iran as good neighbor and partner but no the idiots in Islamabad were under Yankee pressure and Western pressure not to have good relations with Iran so many times till now Iran offered cheap gas and electricity plus pipelines but Pakistan never took offer anyways Hopeful IK can balance the relationship with Iran and KSA.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And you don't get this happening often in Muslim majority countries ..


Women have outnumbered men in the entering classes of universities two to one for the last several years, but when they graduate they are one-third less likely to work as men, and even lower when they marry and have children. The note mentioned that to remedy the imbalance in enrollments, quotas had been in place for the entering classes in certain fields of study for at least the last two years. A week later the BBC Persian service quoted an official who spoke of a plan to allocate 30% of the slots in the entering class to men and women each and the remainder decided competitively based on scores.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/are-iranian-women-overeducated/

 

[Yankee-stani]

And you don't get this happening often in Muslim majority countries ..


Women have outnumbered men in the entering classes of universities two to one for the last several years, but when they graduate they are one-third less likely to work as men, and even lower when they marry and have children. The note mentioned that to remedy the imbalance in enrollments, quotas had been in place for the entering classes in certain fields of study for at least the last two years. A week later the BBC Persian service quoted an official who spoke of a plan to allocate 30% of the slots in the entering class to men and women each and the remainder decided competitively based on scores.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/are-iranian-women-overeducated/

Yet the US would prefer Gulf Arab shiekhs over Iran