Policy paralysis may cost India UN permanent seat

[Chinese-Dragon]

India - 9th largest economy, 3rd largest in terms of PPP, second largest population, 8th highest military budget, 4th most capable armed forces, 7th largest landmass, credible military,missile & space power, de facto nuclear weapons power, formulates independent foreign policy, biggest IOR navy (not counting outside powers) though still depends on foreign import of weapons & have low human development index.

^^^ India is not the 9th largest economy. It was in 2010.

But in 2011 India was the 11th largest economy. India fell by two places in one year.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First column is IMF data for 2011, second column is World Bank data for 2010.

 

[karan21]

^^^ India is not the 9th largest economy. It was in 2010.

But in 2011 India was the 11th largest economy.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


First column is IMF data for 2011, second column is World Bank data for 2010.

30 days from now if ruppee jumps back to 40 we will have over taken britain and brazil, then do we have ur permission to join the p5 Mr chinese dragon.

 

[Pakistanisage]

As long as India continues to occupy Kashmir and does not resolve water issues with Pakistan, there is no chance for India to become permanent member of Security Council.

 

[Patriot_India]

Cool Guys....
Let the action speak for itself...........Future is waiting...........

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

30 days from now if ruppee jumps back to 40 we will have over taken britain and brazil, then do we have ur permission to join the p5 Mr chini-chutiya.

Rupee jumps back to 40?

In fact it is hitting a new low every other day.

And no, China will never support the entry of India into the P5 as long as there is still a territorial dispute.

 

[karan21]

As long as India continues to occupy Kashmir and does not resolve water issues with Pakistan, there is no chance for India to become permanent member of Security Council.

ahhahaa ur talking as if we need permission for the great dominant pakistan no one even asking u? why so serious?

Rupee jumps back to 40?

In fact it is hitting a new low every other day.

And no, China will never support the entry of India into the P5 as long as there is still a territorial dispute.

kk then dont do it, we dont give a dam, we will keep pushing for reforms just to piss u off.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

ahhahaa ur talking as if we need permission for the great dominant pakistan no one even asking u? why so serious?

Check the history.

China's very FIRST veto, was done on behalf of Pakistan.

America vetoes on behalf of Israel, so why shouldn't we veto on behalf of Pakistan. Especially if it helps us too.

kk then dont do it, we dont give a dam, we will keep pushing for reforms just to piss u off.

Go ahead, it takes no effort at all to "abstain" from voting. Which is all it will take to shut down that resolution.

 

[Patriot_India]

If Brazil India and Japan becomes too powerful in days to come....then avoiding them in SC will be something which can only be termed as creating their own lobby, which will in turn diminish the true function of SC. Security council will not be a dictating forcethat time and I don't think people of these countries are so ignorant....

 

[conworldus]

Both China and US would veto India anyway...

 

[Patriot_India]

SC was created to avoid World wars, Thats why it included major powers that time. Moreover responsible powers were included. India is a democratic country and no one has the power to stop India from further development. P5 members are bound to change the rules.................

Both China and US would veto India anyway...

Not for Long......

 

[karan21]

Both China and US would veto India anyway...

not us, only china.

 

[arp2041]

Statements of Thomas Friedman & Barack Obama:

Thomas Friedman of the New York Times, said: "Sometimes I wish that the five permanent members of the UN Security Council could be chosen ... with a vote by the fans ... Then the perm-five would be Russia, China, India, Britain and the United States.That’s more like it. India is the world’s biggest democracy, the world’s largest Hindu nation and the world's second-largest Muslim nation."

In supporting India's bid for a permanent seat on an enlarged Security Council , President Barack Obama cited "India's long history as a leading contributor to United Nations peacekeeping mission."

+ India has an open support of 53 nations + 4 permanent members in it's bid for UNSC seat.

 

[The|slander]

dude, if economy was the criteria than no country except US deserved to be UNSC (before year 2010), when economies of Germany, Japan were more than Russia, China, UK, France.

ok let's compare:

Brazil - emerging economy, 6th largest economy (CIA world fact book), 7th largest in PPP terms, 5th largest in landmass, 10th largest military budget, no nuclear power, no missile power, no space power, not having a credible navy, air force or even army.

germany - once a great power, 9th largest military budget, 4th largest economy, no nuclear power, no missile power, no space power, no credible military, depends on NATO, highest economy of Europe.

Japan - 3rd largest economy, 6th largest military budget, no space power, no military power, no missile power, depends on US for security, enjoys US nuclear cover.

India - 9th largest economy, 3rd largest in terms of PPP, second largest population, 8th highest military budget, 4th most capable armed forces (Global Firepower - 2012 World Military Strength Ranking), 7th largest landmass, credible military,missile & space power, de facto nuclear weapons power, formulates independent foreign policy, biggest IOR navy (not counting outside powers) though still depends on foreign import of weapons & have low human development index.

In GFP rankings only Japan & India are in top 10 not Germany & Brazil, also Japan is at 9th place whereas India is on 4th.

from above data, who else do you think deserves the place first?

Agree with most of what you provided, except that being nuclear-capable should NOT be a criteria to decide anything, especially since there are countries strictly against the employment of nuclear technology in warfare. That's something we should be walking away from, not walking towards and staying proud of it.

Other than that, I do concur that the UN has to be expanded to allow more numbers in. Japan, India and Brazil should be given a voice. We have to adapt to the times and acknowledge the world is more than just the West, especially since we are looking towards an Asian century.

But stop getting overly-cocky. India is not the ONLY nation that deserves the spot. There are others who have outperformed you on many levels, and are also behind you in some ways. Lacking in military power doesn't make any of these nations less important than India.

 

[arp2041]

Agree with most of what you provided, except that being nuclear-capable should NOT be a criteria to decide anything, especially since there are countries strictly against the employment of nuclear technology in warfare. That's something we should be walking away from, not walking towards and staying proud of it.

Other than that, I do concur that the UN has to be expanded to allow more numbers in. Japan, India and Brazil should be given a voice. We have to adapt to the times and acknowledge the world is more than just the West, especially since we are looking towards an Asian century.

But stop getting overly-cocky. India is not the ONLY nation that deserves the spot. There are others who have outperformed you on many levels, and are also behind you in some ways. Lacking in military power doesn't make any of these nations less important than India.

believe it or not military power & not economic power is the criteria for a P5 seat, all P5 nations are nuclear weapon states, all a re military powers, all were on the side of victors of WW2, all have ICBMs, all have SSBN etc.

of course, UN cannot admit this fact as UN is an organisation working towards peace.

if you have facts for opposite pls provide.

 

[airuah]

The condition for being a Permanent member of the UNSC was: To be a major independent country on the winning side of WW2 in 1945.

That's all. Nothing about being technologically advanced, economically strong, or even having done well in the war.

So unless you want to start another World War, then the conditions remain unchanged. And the only way to change the conditions is to get unanimous support from ALL the P5 members, which you won't get as long as you claim Chinese land.

do you understand what the word REFORM means....it does not only mean only India,s entry....there are other rules that are to be changed.....