"Police waale tang karain to seedha fire karna" - Zulfiqar Mirza to his guard

[sadiqqs]

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الطاف حسین برطانیہ کی خفیہ ایجنسیوں کے لیے اثاثہ تھے ، لیکن اب برطانیہ نے الطاف حسین کو قصہ پارینہ بنانے کا فیصلہ کر لیا ہے - نجم سیٹھی


Altaf Hussain no more an asset for UK, British govt has decided to make him a part of PAST :-...
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برطانیہ کے تفتیشی اداروں کو الطاف حسین کے گھر سے بھارت اور را سے تعلقات کے کیسے شواہد ملے ؟ سنیے نجم سیٹھی سے سنسنی خیز انکشافات


برطانیہ کے تفتیشی اداروں کو الطاف حسین کے گھر سے بھارت اور را سے تعلقات کے کیسے شواہد ملے ؟
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[rockstar08]

You mean those 4 lyari gangsters they killed two days back ???

Or maybe you are referring to Faisal Mota or that K-2 guy who were unarmed at the time of their arrest

nope i am referring to that kid who died during Rangers Raid , i am referring to those who died in Police custody , with holes in their bodies without any trail or anything ..

 

[Winchester]

nope i am referring to that kid who died during Rangers Raid , i am referring to those who died in Police custody , with holes in their bodies without any trail or anything ..

Waqas Shah???

This footage clearly shows that MQM worker Waqas Ali Shah was killed by a protester and not by Rangers

Wouldn't be the first time MQM takes out one of its own !

The only ones who have died during the current phase in police custody and for good reason are TTP scums....

Rangers/Police have been not nearly as hard on the MQM as they are with other terrorists in Karachi...

Anyways if you want to continue feeding on that MQM propaganda then i can't help you.

 

[rockstar08]

Waqas Shah???

This footage clearly shows that MQM worker Waqas Ali Shah was killed by a protester and not by Rangers

Wouldn't be the first time MQM takes out one of its own !

The only ones who have died during the current phase in police custody and for good reason are TTP scums....

Rangers/Police have been not nearly as hard on the MQM as they are with other terrorists in Karachi...

Anyways if you want to continue feeding on that MQM propaganda then i can't help you.

The footage proves nothing , its been discussed to death here , and use your brain , who ever kill Waqas shah , isnt it duty of Rangers to Arrest his murderers ?

well there are many young workers of MQM found dead in different part of Karachi , search a little you will find news ..

and i can say exactly same that you are been fed by this Establishment Propaganda ?

because i still dont see any Raid on Bilwaal house , even ZM has open the Pandora box,

 

[TankMan]

Zulfiqar Mirza is a classic badmaash - but, as @notorious_eagle said, he's the lesser of two evils. Both should be handled, but letting them take eachother out is a valid strategy for Pakistan's situation. It could degenerate into bloodshed, but then, so would a police or military operation. There's no easy way out of this.

Unarmed Citizen of Karachi of a Particular Party

Yep, unarmed.

They're so unarmed, their military-grade suppressed sub-machine guns don't even have scopes... oh wait, they do.

The footage proves nothing

The footage proves a) that he wasn't shot by a rangers officer as claimed by MQM and b) that someone within MQM's crowd, who was within range of Waqas, was armed. That is enough to disprove the allegations.

who ever kill Waqas shah , isnt it duty of Rangers to Arrest his murderers ?

And how should they do it? Bring Waqas back to life and ask him who did it so they can arrest the murderer? They couldn't arrest the murderer doesn't mean they did it.

The UK's Scotland Yard couldn't arrest the murderers of Dr. Imran Farooq. Will you now say that they are the ones who killed him, because 'it's their duty to arrest his murderers'?

 

[ConcealCarry]

What you are saying is equivalent to "Lets get infected with HIV cause HIV kills Cancer"
Supporting one evil to counter the other is the most incompetent way of handling things. No one ever is powerful enough to challenge the State, Musharraf was COA and President of Pakistan, now look at him what can he do? State should deal with all such law breaking arrogant people threatening to use force against government agencies as terrorists.

We can tolerate him, because he is hell bent on taking down a Person who is ever more disgusting than himself.

If we are to compare both Zulfiqar Mirza and Asif Ali Zardari, Mirza looks like an Angel. I really hope he succeeds in taking down the menace that we call Asif Ali Zardari.

 

[TankMan]

What you are saying is equivalent to "Lets get infected with HIV cause HIV kills Cancer"
Supporting one evil to counter the other is the most incompetent way of handling things. No one ever is powerful enough to challenge the State, Musharraf was COA and President of Pakistan, now look at him what can he do? State should deal with all such law breaking arrogant people threatening to use force against government agencies as terrorists.

HIV doesn't kill cancer (the one you heard of in the news was a modified, harmless version of it), and even if it did this is nothing like it.

It's more like letting two fires put each other out. The Musharraf example is irrelevant because he doesn't have an entire mafia and private army.

The state just suddenly 'dealing with' such people would mean massive backlash in the form of riots, protests from political supporters and violence that will ultimately cause very much instability. Doing all that suddenly is very risky, and the current government doesn't possess the political will to do so. It may be possible if the Army takes over, but the current military leadership does not consider that to be a good option.

At the end of the day, a slow and gradual approach i.e strengthening LEAs and institutions while slowly eliminating these mafias is what they're taking - and that's a good thing.

 

[ConcealCarry]

You missed the point, anyways let agree to disagree and move on.

 

[TankMan]

You missed the point

No, I did not. You said letting two evils sort eachother out is a bad strategy, and endorsed a blanket operation against all evils. I countered it by saying that it is, in fact, a more practical strategy than what you have suggested and outlined the reasoning behind it.

anyways let agree to disagree and move on.

Very well then.

 

[ConcealCarry]

This strategy shows weakness of the state and encourages every tom dick and harry to emulate that behaviour and looking at the state of affairs in Pakistan, this strategy has caused more harm than "sorting each other out" an din the process they both become more daring and strong and pose a greater challenge to the state.

What is Zulfiqar Mirza? how many guards does he have? it takes less than 24 hours to pick them all and shoot them in the head. One evil nipped. Next day the other and so on and so forth. Political fallout? takes one week and brings forward more criminal to get rid of. Use a hammer hand, convey the message loud and clear without sissy politics

No, I did not. You said letting two evils sort eachother out is a bad strategy, and endorsed a blanket operation against all evils. I countered it by saying that it is, in fact, a more practical strategy than what you have suggested and outlined the reasoning behind it.

Very well then.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Neither Zardari was a imam and became a scum overnight nor is Zulfiqar an angel himself, looks more like two thieves fighting over stolen treasure. What he said is not different from what Altaf said to his party members, both are illegal and fall under definition of terrorism and State should take actin against both.

He used to be best friends with Zardari, until he realized Zardari is a scum and regretted his frienfship with him. He then went on air and cussed zardari out. Zardari got pissed and using corrupt police force is tring to get him arrested. That's why he told his guards to fire on the police because they are corrupt and working on orders of zardari.

 

[TankMan]

This strategy shows weakness of the state

And isn't that the reality? The reality is that the civil Law Enforcement and Judicial systems are very weak. The military can't handle everything.

and encourages every tom dick and harry to emulate that behaviour and looking at the state of affairs in Pakistan, this strategy has caused more harm than "sorting each other out" an din the process they both become more daring and strong and pose a greater challenge to the state.

'Every Tom, Dick and Harry' would never manage to climb the mafia and political hierarchies and pose a threat to the state at all. People like that either join existing mafias or get eaten by the big fish within seconds.

This strategy does produce harm, but the harm produced by it is less than the harm produced by any alternative strategies. It's the least bad of many bad options.

What is Zulfiqar Mirza? how many guards does he have? it takes less than 24 hours to pick them all and shoot them in the head.

Who will 'pick them all and shoot them'? He has people in the police. He has leverage on the entire Sindh government. Zardari and co. have too many dirty secrets.

If the military gets involved, they have to get involved in everything, which will put more strain on their already stretched thin resources and will almost certainly end in a martial law.

He doesn't just have guards, he has political supporters surrounding his compound, women and children included. Too much bloodshed, and he becomes a martyr at the hands of the 'evil establishment'.

Political fallout? takes one week and brings forward more criminal to get rid of. Use a hammer hand, convey the message loud and clear without sissy politics

Yes, political fallout. Lots of it. Lal Masjid, for example, took a lot more than one week and brought forward too many criminals to get rid of, not to mention 'human rights' people and increased anti-establishment sentiments.

The worst way of handling someone like that is by making a martyr of them. Actually, your strategy encourages more people to take up arms against the state, because a martyr story is a lot more powerful than just a rebel.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Unfortunately this strategy has not accomplished anything in the last 70 years, number of small mafias has increased every year.

And isn't that the reality? The reality is that the civil Law Enforcement and Judicial systems are very weak. The military can't handle everything.

'Every Tom, Dick and Harry' would never manage to climb the mafia and political hierarchies and pose a threat to the state at all. People like that either join existing mafias or get eaten by the big fish within seconds.

This strategy does produce harm, but the harm produced by it is less than the harm produced by any alternative strategies. It's the least bad of many bad options.

Who will 'pick them all and shoot them'? He has people in the police. He has leverage on the entire Sindh government. Zardari and co. have too many dirty secrets.

If the military gets involved, they have to get involved in everything, which will put more strain on their already stretched thin resources and will almost certainly end in a martial law.

He doesn't just have guards, he has political supporters surrounding his compound, women and children included. Too much bloodshed, and he becomes a martyr at the hands of the 'evil establishment'.

Yes, political fallout. Lots of it. Lal Masjid, for example, took a lot more than one week and brought forward too many criminals to get rid of, not to mention 'human rights' people and increased anti-establishment sentiments.

The worst way of handling someone like that is by making a martyr of them. Actually, your strategy encourages more people to take up arms against the state, because a martyr story is a lot more powerful than just a rebel.

 

[TankMan]

Unfortunately this strategy has not accomplished anything in the last 70 years, number of small mafias has increased every year.

Do not confuse strategy with incompetence. The strategy is specific to Zulfiqar Mirza and PPP/Zardari as of right now, with specific targets and a specific time frame.

The strategy doesn't mean just ignore all criminals - they're currently pounding small the Lyari gangsters, PAC thugs and militants within the MQM - it just means wait till ZM and Zardari have weakened each other enough for action against them to become easier and more feasible.

What has been happening over the past 68 years is incompetence and mistakes overshadowing any successes or progress.

Otherwise, I do not know of many examples of such a strategy actually being used before. If there are, cite them.

As for small mafias, they are almost always controlled or supported by larger ones with political links.

 

[rockstar08]

Yep, unarmed.

They're so unarmed, their military-grade suppressed sub-machine guns don't even have scopes... oh wait, they do.

first tell me who make you a Think Tank ??
now on serious note, have you see any MQM worker holding a weapon pointing at Ranger ? please show me ..
plus these weapons as Rangers say are from NATO , and USA and NATO deny any weapons stolen from their Containers , so again Busted Lie ...

tell me how many MQM workers have attack the Rangers HQ or Police Station ? have you see MQM ministers with a Armed Mob rushing into Police station threatening to shoot police officers on Point blank range ?

The footage proves a) that he wasn't shot by a rangers officer as claimed by MQM and b) that someone within MQM's crowd, who was within range of Waqas, was armed. That is enough to disprove the allegations.

The Footage proves sh!t , Pardon my language , the Rangers spokesman first say we dont carry Pistols and later it was proves that they have Pistols as side Arms , b) Waqas was shot only at distance of few Feet's of Rangers Convoey , and our so called brave rangers dont even come close to rescue the guy , so to me , they are exit from the " Mardangi list " if they cant protect us , they should stand on Traffic Signals, wearing Women clothes and Bangles and dance ...
their guns are only for unarmed civilians , remember that gun who was shot dead in a Park ? for 10-15 mins he was begging for his life , and your brave Rangers did not even help him ,even if he was thieve still their job is to arrest and send him to jail not to shoot him and leave him to die ...

And how should they do it? Bring Waqas back to life and ask him who did it so they can arrest the murderer? They couldn't arrest the murderer doesn't mean they did it.

The UK's Scotland Yard couldn't arrest the murderers of Dr. Imran Farooq. Will you now say that they are the ones who killed him, because 'it's their duty to arrest his murderers'?

as i say if they cant do anything , just go on a traffic Signal and start begging ...
they can do Shit about ZM and his armed people openly waving Weapons at police , i dont see anyone ask them to show the licence .. stop this blind hate , and think with open mind ...