Police join Indians in Persecuting Christians

[Spring Onion]

You missed the entire point of the post. Its not about whether they should preach or not, its about the way they are using hunger for conversion.

Neither our govt. is right, nor our so called Hindu organizations are right who have thousands of temples, billions of money worth offerings and yet not feed the hungry whereas these missionaries use it. These missionaries are not right too.

The fault lies on all. If these Hindu organizations instead of attacking or protesting these missionaries offer better service to the poor and needy, may be the poor don't have to pick bread over religion.

I hate the fact that with billions of money we have offered on deities, still we can't feed the poor. But that's a whole new topic.

So I am putting blame on everyone, not just missionaries.

Missionaries have been doing it through social work thats what NGOs are doing/ changing mindset/pereception even religious outlook of the people.

if your own religion created social divide then its the core issue address for heavensake instead of saying the way Missionries are doing this and that.

If the rootcause is hunger then why dont your religion failed to address that? or for that matter your own fellows failed to address that.

the way Missionaries are taking advantage of the situation is nothing wrong as long as you dont come forward.

if they force you at gun point then you can argue against them

 

[KS]

As for KS and the money canard, i wonder if he has seen any actual converts. Sure it exists but it certainly isn't universal nor is it very common.

If it exists, then it isnt a canard. And yeah I have seen my fair share of the brainwashed.

With the growing intolerance towards Christians in the north, the southern traditional churches are also now waking up to the challenge. I hope you see what im driving at.

Central themes of Christianity will compel everyone to "perceive a threat" and "rise up to the challenge " to " spread the good news". Without organized crime against Christians, it isn't possible to retaliate because my faith does not allow us counter retaliate....and because there isn't any state policy explicitly banning Christianity (which im sure will be even more counter productive for the state's objective).

If you notice, now Christian clergy are increasingly opting to complete bachelors in Islam and Hinduism under the church's directive. Why do you suppose that is ? I leave it to your imagination, but rest assured , it isn't because they are backing off or conforming.

I hope you understand the mentality of a North Indian hindu is not the same as that of the south indian. Rest I leave it upto you. And Hinduism does have its own inbuilt survival mechanism that can kick in when things seem lost..so lets all hope the "spreading the good news" does not become the precursor to bad news.

 

[Spring Onion]

India is not a secular country, its a majority Hindu country that persecute other religions, such as Christianity. Hindu would lose their caste once they are converted to Christianity. So high caste Indians would not have lower caste people to kick around if they are converted to Christianity.

They still dont want to address the core issue. the secularism tag has added more complexity to the issue since they can not practice it neither they can do away with it.

 

[KS]

Missionaries have been doing it through social work thats what NGOs are doing/ changing mindset/pereception even religious outlook of the people.

if your own religion created social divide then its the core issue address for heavensake instead of saying the way Missionries are doing this and that.

If the rootcause is hunger then why dont your religion failed to address that? or for that matter your own fellows failed to address that.

the way Missionaries are taking advantage of the situation is nothing wrong as long as you dont come forward.

if they force you at gun point then you can argue against them

Your country has so many problems, will you ask the same questions to your self ? No you wont. So please spare us the hypocrisy and the holier-than-thou attitude ma'am.

 

[Mech]

I disgaree...the prime target of the miissionaries are the poor dalits and tribals.

No No KS. What you said is wiki knowledge. Missionary movement is significantly stronger among the middle class and the upper rungs. Thousands of independent and centralized/decentralized movements exist all over the country. From major universities to IT parks. There, it is more about getting "converts" as opposed to "spreading the good news".

Christian organisations operate a HUGE number of de-addiction centres, counselling centres , suicide helplines , etc (just too many to list) all over the nation. Especially in the metros.

 

[Spring Onion]

I hope you understand the mentality of a North Indian hindu is not the same as that of the south indian. Rest I leave it upto .

What is the difference between the two mentalities?

 

[Srinivas]

dont take any offense but Its like asking to prove if kali gives you shakti )))) or worshiping shiv linga can give you kids.

all gods and their powers cant be proved be it Hindu gods or otherwise.

Watch OH MY GOD Movie and you will know

 

[KS]

No No KS. What you said is wiki knowledge. Missionary movement is significantly stronger among the middle class and the upper rungs. Thousands of independent and centralized/decentralized movements exist all over the country. From major universities to IT parks. There, it is more about getting "converts" as opposed to "spreading the good news".

Christian organisations operate a HUGE number of de-addiction centres, counselling centres , suicide helplines , etc (just too many to list) all over the nation. Especially in the metros.

Good for you. Even though I dont favor it, conversion out of personal choice is entirely upto the individual and I cant say anything about it. But the proselytization through inducements, money, coercion must be countered though all means possible. And anyway the Govt is already clamping on the foreign funded NGOs getting money through FCRA. And with recession in western economies, the incoming money has also reduced by a significant margin. Groups like RSS, VHP etc are also increasing their presence significantly among the tribal communities all over Central and North India. So all in all, these conversions will be contained, one way or another. And if the demographic balance gets disturbed, then there is only one way out.

 

[Spring Onion]

Your country has so many problems, will you ask the same questions to your self ? No you wont. So please spare us the hypocrisy and the holier-than-thou attitude .

There is no holier than thou in this world.

my country is worst in many things that does not mean you should hide behind such rehtorics to give justification for your own ills .

 

[KRAIT]

Missionaries have been doing it through social work thats what NGOs are doing/ changing mindset/pereception even religious outlook of the people.
if your own religion created social divide then its the core issue address for heavensake instead of saying the way Missionries are doing this and that.
If the rootcause is hunger then why dont your religion failed to address that? or for that matter your own fellows failed to address that.the way Missionaries are taking advantage of the situation is nothing wrong as long as you dont come forward.
if they force you at gun point then you can argue against them

Again, you missing the point. I agree we failed but tell me one thing if you really want to spread message of god and show them the light, would you show a hungry person either take bible with bread or die of hunger ? Is it what any religion teaches ?

Tell me you don't believe that these missionaries are doing the right thing. Their own religion doesn't say that don't help those who don't convert or disagree with Church ?

Tell me, if I see a hungry person and I have bread, should I give it to him for humanity or is it OK for me to first ask him to reject Islam and become Hindu, to get the bread. Its worst than gun point. Gun point or hunger, he will die eventually, death by gun will be easy way out, less tormenting than dying of hunger.

 

[Srinivas]

They still dont want to address the core issue. the secularism tag has added more complexity to the issue since they can not practice it neither they can do away with it.

India rejected Religion when it included Secular word in Indian constitution. How ever there are laws which protect Religious freedom and forced conversions or using fraud.

Nothing complex.

@KS the difference between the North and South is because of slight difference in culture not religion. And these days it is slowly but steadily getting reduced.

 

[Sedqal]

Again, you missing the point. I agree we failed but tell me one thing if you really want to spread message of god and show them the light, would you show a hungry person either take bible with bread or die of hunger ? Is it what any religion teaches ?

Tell me you don't believe that these missionaries are doing the right thing. Their own religion doesn't say that don't help those who don't convert or disagree with Church ?

Tell me, if I see a hungry person and I have bread, should I give it to him for humanity or is it OK for me to first ask him to reject Islam and become Hindu, to get the bread. Its worst than gun point.

But Indians are accepting Christianity with their own fee will. Lack of food, opportunity, caste harassment all might be true but Christians are not ruling India, Hindus are and the blame is on government policies and society which lets such a phenomenon exist in the first place.

If Indians are of the opinion that there should be no conversion then be forward about it.

 

[KS]

@KS the difference between the North and South is because of slight difference in culture not religion. And these days it is slowly but steadily getting reduced.

Thats not the difference I was talking about.

One trump card the church used in TN was the Dravidian thingy, that they were different from the Aryan North Indians...but the same cant be used against the North Indians themselves..as I said they are almost completely sanskritized and the Ayodhya issue also brought in a good deal of religious fervour to them. So the situations in North and south are different..

 

[KRAIT]

But Indians are accepting Christianity with their own fee will. Lack of food, opportunity, caste harassment all might be true but Christians are not ruling India, Hindus are.
If Indians are of the opinion that there should be no conversion then be forward about it.

Tell me is it a free will or last resort to change the religion to feed your family ?

Opportunity ? A Hindu has supposedly, according to you guys, more chances of succeeding than any other minority. Still, its a selfish decision. It was not because of enlightenment but sheer personal benefit.

Caste harassment, there is already caste system in Christians too. So again, nothing better they got.

 

[Mech]

If it exists, then it isnt a canard.



I hope you understand the mentality of a North Indian hindu is not the same as that of the south indian. Rest I leave it upto you. And Hinduism does have its own inbuilt survival mechanism that can kick in when things seem lost..so lets all hope the "spreading the good news" does not become the precursor to bad news.

No need to get defensive. You didn't get my point at all. The "survival mechanism" is exactly what serves as a catapult for Christianity (demonstrated in China and Russia ). You see, Christians do counter retaliate. But its not in the way you expect.

I was listening to a particular missionary about his experience in the north. Every time they attempted to gather and pray Hindu mobs would come down hard on them. Now you would expect this would deter them...but this is not how Christian groups operate at all. Eventually, they managed to "bring their oppressors into the light" as well...with sheer persistence. Interestingly, it is now a well rooted Christian community area with their "oppressors" acting as their major benefactors.