Police join Indians in Persecuting Christians

[KRAIT]

Compare that with such converts to Christianity in orrisa and the treatment they get.
AR Rehman was praised because he brought oscar ) please be honest.

He is famous since his work in film Bombay, made on Hindu-Muslim riots. Check your information before you post.

 

[kaykay]

pakistanis go back and look at your minorities first!! You should be the last person on the earth to talk about minorities!! Even many Indian christians are there on this forum and they can tell you better than anyone about these things!!! Ofcourse there have been some issues but these things are because of certain local leaders and people and not by entire hindu population!! Even hindus kill hindus or muslims kill muslims in some cases!! What you will call those????

 

[KRAIT]

India is not a secular country, its a majority Hindu country that persecute other religions, such as Christianity. Hindu would lose their caste once they are converted to Christianity. So high caste Indians would not have lower caste people to kick around if they are converted to Christianity.

Don't comment what you don't have any knowledge about.

 

[Sashan]

This should not happen. Its akin to having the cake and eating it too.

It will not happen as casteism is not acknowledged within Christianity or Islam.

 

[Bang Galore]

This should not happen. Its akin to having the cake and eating it too.

They won't get it. The Courts will not allow & the politicians won't touch it because those members of the Scheduled Castes who are benefiting from this are fiercely opposed to it being extended to the converts. The gas has pretty much gone out of this demand

 

[Mech]

Being a Christian (Not a Pentecostal) , i can tell you what's fundamentally wrong with this approach. Christianity thrives under persecution. "Suffering for the sake of faith and Christ", "Forgiving thy enemy" etc are the central themes of our faith. Whatever the motives of individual organisations may be, persecution will only strengthen their resolve and moreover, it will attract disinterested parties.

The greatest testament to this resolve is aptly demonstrated in Russia and China....where underground churches and communities held their ground, not with violence but with faith, love and most importantly, hope. Its greatest strength, perhaps is the fact that violence is explicitly prohibited by the faith. Those who do, eventually find themselves losing foothold as they distance themselves from the central theme of Christianity.

With caste segregation, child labour and associated violence/suppression being enforced by hardline upper crest Hindus, there shouldn't be any surprise why Pentecostals and now traditional Indian churches now grow from strength to strength.

 

[zaxcolix]

No there is a difference between Chinese middle class and Indian middle class...the chinese middle class is mostly a product of the communist atheist system with no active religious preference..also by their enchantment with west because of the materialistic nature, they become easy targets for the missionaries..but Indian middle class (among the hindus) is more rooted in their faith,tradition and since the primary modus operandi of the missionaries in India is conversion through money, it does not go sucessfully with the middle class which is not exactly short of money...

and I wont say the chinese middle class are devoid of ethics..only that the atheism and materialism has weakened china's native faiths and have provided easy harvesting ground for the missionaries..I hope the CPC takes enough steps to contain the menace...cant afford to loose china to these cults

What you have said for the chinese ...no active religious leaning..enchantment with west..is also applicable for a section of Hindu middle class (especially in North India) in India. The foundation of faith, tradition is slowly eroded and replaced by quick money & urbanization. Andhra Middle class conversion to christianity is a case study. Middle class does not need money ..but it needs stress release which is offered by 'yeshu'. We earlier had 'Swamys' ...good or Bad who used to provide this ..but they have been hounded out of existence by 'secular rationalist' and is replaced by missionaries.

The average chines is far more unethical and immoral than the average India. This in-spite of having a better standard of living. however this discussion is not relevant at this point. But I agree that conversion of China to christianity will put huge pressure on India / Pakistan.

Last point about Islamic conversion in south India ...the entire hindu nationalist moment started due to an entire village of Meenakshipuram converted to islam...nowdays its limited to 'love jihad'.

 

[Mech]

As for KS and the money canard, i wonder if he has seen any actual converts. Sure it exists but it certainly isn't universal nor is it very common.

With the growing intolerance towards Christians in the north, the southern traditional churches are also now waking up to the challenge. I hope you see what im driving at.

Central themes of Christianity will compel everyone to "perceive a threat" and "rise up to the challenge " to " spread the good news". Without organized crime against Christians, it isn't possible to retaliate because my faith does not allow us counter retaliate....and because there isn't any state policy explicitly banning Christianity (which im sure will be even more counter productive for the state's objective).

If you notice, now Christian clergy are increasingly opting to complete bachelors in Islam and Hinduism under the church's directive. Why do you suppose that is ? I leave it to your imagination, but rest assured , it isn't because they are backing off or conforming.

 

[Mech]

BTW these missionaries are the best speech writers man..gotta give credit..just look at this para



dude writes better dialogues than most bollywood writers...

It really isn't his creation nor is it something original. It is our central theme.

 

[Spring Onion]

First, In Orissa where there was huge starvation, these missionaries offered food in return for conversion, of course our govt. failed but can you ignore how they got these desperate people converted. Any parent will accept any religion if he/she sees his/ her child dying of hunger.

As for caste system, ask any South Indian, they will tell you that even after converting into Christianity, they follow it. So caste system problem doesn't go away with religion change.

Secondly you said they are not converted on gun point. Of course not. They use desperation and need of poor people to carry out conversion.

You say the people do it on their own will. Well same argument can be said on number of terrorists in Pakistan, they are not inducted on gun point, its their own will to kill innocent people. Its your govt. failure too that couldn't provide education and employment to these population which made few people to be brainwashed by the terrorist leaders and offered money in return of bombing.

I agree there has been criminal acts against Christians, but tell me one country where there is no religion, race, based crimes don't happen especially in our sub-continent. Even in your country people are shot just because they ask for proper trial of woman blamed for blasphemy and the murderer is showered by flowers by Lawyers, the lawyers who are supposed to fight for against injustice.

I agree there are many shortfalls in my country. I don't deny that. But also note that even with 81% Hindus in this country, Muslims and other minorities are growing every single day. They have important positions at all levels, from business, politics, government, bureaucracy, entertainment, science, sports, etc. any field.

I studied in a school run by Christians, prayed their prayers, even the Muslim, Sikh, Jain students did, and never saw any problem based on religion. Not a single iota.

We are population of 1.2 billion people, 1/7 of total population in the world. Do a comparative analysis, 1,2 billion Indians and around 6 billion rest of the world. Let me know what is the economy size, crime rate, terrorist attacks, crimes on base of race, color, creed, religion etc.

Your points proved it that the fault lies with you NOT The missionaries.

Give social justice and proper status to Low cast Hindus and these Christians wont find any for converting for better life style.
simple and clear. You dont want to accept the holes and still wanttt Missionaries NOT to offer food to them for conversion

 

[Infinity]

Being a Christian (Not a Pentecostal) , i can tell you what's fundamentally wrong with this approach. Christianity thrives under persecution. "Suffering for the sake of faith and Christ", "Forgiving thy enemy" etc are the central themes of our faith. Whatever the motives of individual organisations may be, persecution will only strengthen their resolve and moreover, it will attract disinterested parties.

The greatest testament to this resolve is aptly demonstrated in Russia and China....where underground churches and communities held their ground, not with violence but with faith, love and most importantly, hope. Its greatest strength, perhaps is the fact that violence is explicitly prohibited by the faith. Those who do, eventually find themselves losing foothold as they distance themselves from the central theme of Christianity.

With caste segregation, child labour and associated violence/suppression being enforced by hardline upper crest Hindus, there shouldn't be any surprise why Pentecostals and now traditional Indian churches now grow from strength to strength.

Being a Christian I 100% agree with you on these bolded parts

 

[KS]

What you have said for the chinese ...no active religious leaning..enchantment with west..is also applicable for a section of Hindu middle class (especially in North India) in India. The foundation of faith, tradition is slowly eroded and replaced by quick money & urbanization. Andhra Middle class conversion to christianity is a case study. Middle class does not need money ..but it needs stress release which is offered by 'yeshu'. We earlier had 'Swamys' ...good or Bad who used to provide this ..but they have been hounded out of existence by 'secular rationalist' and is replaced by missionaries.

I disgaree...the prime target of the miissionaries are the poor dalits and tribals.

Last point about Islamic conversion in south India ...the entire hindu nationalist moment started due to an entire village of Meenakshipuram converted to islam...nowdays its limited to 'love jihad'.

Dude that is wikipedia knowledge..Im from Tamil Nadu and Islamists dont indulge in conversions..and if they do that is very rare.

 

[KRAIT]

Your points proved it that the fault lies with you NOT The missionaries.
Give social justice and proper status to Low cast Hindus and these Christians wont find any for converting for better life style.
simple and clear. You dont want to accept the holes and still wanttt Missionaries NOT to offer food to them for conversion

You missed the entire point of the post. Its not about whether they should preach or not, its about the way they are using hunger for conversion.

Neither our govt. is right, nor our so called Hindu organizations are right who have thousands of temples, billions of money worth offerings and yet not feed the hungry whereas these missionaries use it. These missionaries are not right too.

The fault lies on all. If these Hindu organizations instead of attacking or protesting these missionaries offer better service to the poor and needy, may be the poor don't have to pick bread over religion.

I hate the fact that with billions of money we have offered on deities, still we can't feed the poor. But that's a whole new topic.

So I am putting blame on everyone, not just missionaries.

 

[Mech]

Your points proved it that the fault lies with you NOT The missionaries.

Give social justice and proper status to Low cast Hindus and these Christians wont find any for converting for better life style.
simple and clear. You dont want to accept the holes and still wanttt Missionaries NOT to offer food to them for conversion

A great deal of what hardliners here will feed you and most of what you are willing to accept are no more than urban myths and reactionary claims to offset any negative propaganda on the hardliners themselves. Exceptions exist but that's just about it.

 

[KS]

Being a Christian (Not a Pentecostal) , i can tell you what's fundamentally wrong with this approach. Christianity thrives under persecution. "Suffering for the sake of faith and Christ", "Forgiving thy enemy" etc are the central themes of our faith. Whatever the motives of individual organisations may be, persecution will only strengthen their resolve and moreover, it will attract disinterested parties.

They(the evangelist cults) are going to indulge in conversion either way. Their stated goal is complete Christianization of rest of India like North East. So there is no point in saying this is our strong point,this is our weak point.

And you are wrong..as far as I heard conversions in most hindi heartland states have reduced to a great extent than half decade before due to a variety of factors. I dont need a gora to come here and lead anyone to "heaven". And anyone coming inspte of that is coming at his/her own risk. And also in most cases these cases of 'persecution' are overblown to collect donations.

With caste segregation, child labour and associated violence/suppression being enforced by hardline upper crest Hindus, there shouldn't be any surprise why Pentecostals and now traditional Indian churches now grow from strength to strength.

Please please please dont say caste system does not exist in christianity..Its an insult to my common sense. You are in kerala..hop a bus to Tamil Nadu and see for yourself the casteism among the converts..in most places they even have separate churches, separate graves, separate routes for festival cars etc.

It really isn't his creation nor is it something original. It is our central theme.

Whatever dude...Self-preservation is also our central theme