PM says US pressuring Pakistan to recognise Israel: report

[Nasr]

I have advocated nothing other than highlighting that your attempts that Takfir are equating to judgement reserved for Allah.

Of course Judgement is reserved only for Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah. As for your accusation at me, of Takfir. I would suggest you go read the Holy Qur'an.

Those who stand behind our Beloved Prophet Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, will always go to the Holy Qur'an for knowledge. The Holy Qur'an states what the Jews did when Nabi Isa Alaihi Salam came as the Promised Messiah from Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, to the Jews. The Holy Qur'an states what the Jews did to the Prophets of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, they murdered them. Their (Jews) wickedness is stated in the Qur'an.

So I ask you to use your senses, and question yourself whether you would challenge those who advocate the recognition of the illegal state of israel, based on what the Holy Qur'an has stated. Those Muslim States who have allied themselves with the Zionists (successors of the Jews, impostor Jews), and recognized the illegal state of israel. Would you follow them down the same path?

You accuse others of Takfir, what about the Shirk which is committed when U.S pressures, cajoles and lures other Muslim states to recognize the illegal state? Who is Al-Akbar? Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah or america/israel?

Find a post above where I said anything regarding the recognition of Israel - instead have highlighted that promoting blanket murder of Jews

Really? Then why don't you go find a post and show where I have promoted "Blanket" (as you put it) killing Jews. I actually make the effort of telling fellow forum members to make the distinction between Jews and Zionists. To study what zionism is and how it influences the world today.

I suppose that is how you and those who support this were raised)

Well ain't that just peachy!! Look who is assuming and judging now.

A word of advice for ya, if you don't know the subject or have no idea about the person posting. Then do yourself a favor and get clued up first.

In the two interactions of posts I have had with you. It is evident you haven't the first clue what's going on, nor do you show any evidence to support your argument on the subject matter.

and then accusing every one else of not being muslims (possibly also plotting their execution.. reflecting in your values as a human) were wrong.

I think you've been watching too much CNN, BBC, FOX, Al-Jazeera, France 24 and SKY. Great acumen you got there, comparing me those the lunatics who go around beheading people.

It's unamusing and disappointing to say the least, having to witness such a sorry state of intellect.

 

[Saifullah]

I claim no authority, but I don’t recognize yours either .. who are you? Nobody
Nobody of any value other than 1’s and 0’s on the internet spreading takfir.

All I am is another Nobody highlighting your value, relevance and capacity to actually affect change ... and my highlight is also worthless.

However, I prefer not to speak for Allah or his messengers based upon what I think rather than what is written in the Quran or how the Prophet acted.

That is the only value of Nobody’s - otherwise we might as well go on TV and claim that anaozubullah after Allah , Imran Khan is the only hope for Pakistan.

Brother you and I had a misunderstanding, i think you had a different understanding of word "Non Believer" than me, pardon me but english is not my first language so my definition is quite different than yours.

Legally any one who claim's to belive in following things is a legal muslim:

1) There is no God but ALLAH and only he deserves to be worshiped(Ibadah).
2) Believes that Muhammad (SAW) is the last Prophet of ALLAH.
3) Believes on all the Holy Books (like Quran, Anjeel, Zaboor etc).
4) Believes on all the Holy Prophets (like Prophet Musa, Prophet Issa, Prophet Abraheem etc).
5) Believes on Angels (Jibraeel, Mikaeel etc).
6) Believes on resurrection on the day of Judgment (Qayamah).
7) Believes in the existence of God's predestination, whether it involves good or bad.

So any one who calls some one Non Muslim(Kafir, Takfir) while the person claims to belive in above is completely and he is against the teachings of Islam.

The general rule is that real thing on which on the day of Qayamah (Judgment day) one will be considered Muslim is his Believe (Imaan) not the claim and the judge of that is ALLAH but if our Prophet had told us about some one or a group of people otherwise it will be taken as special case.

If you wana discuss this topic further you can open up thread and we can have more discussion.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

we will eat grass but never recognize Israel.

It is Quaid and Iqbal's Pakistan, we will go by their principles.

I know you don't like either, so you will have to swallow this bitter pill.

Non-recognition stays.

 

[dani191]

U.S., Another Country 'Pressuring Pakistan to Recognize Israel,' Says PM Imran Khan
Pakistan premier said it's because of 'Israel's deep impact in the United States' but refused to answer if Gulf States were also pushing Islamabad
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Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin SalmanCredit: Saudi Press Agency

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Published on 17.11.2020

>> How Saudi Arabia is pressuring Pakistan to recognize Israel

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said the United States and at least one other country are pressuring Pakistan to formally recognize Israel.

Khan said in a televised interview last week that his country would not consider normalization with Israel unless there is a just solution with the Palestinians.

As reported by Pakistan's The Express Tribune, Khan said "the pressure is because of Israel's deep impact in the United States. This was in fact extraordinary during Trump's stint.”


Asked whether Muslim countries have been pressuring Pakistan, Khan replied "Leave this. There are things we cannot say." Khan then referred to Pakistan's economic dependence on certain countries. "We have good relations with them," he said, without naming the countries. "Let us stand on our own feet in terms of economy, then you may ask these questions,” Khan answered.

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Israel has recently signed normalization deals with the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan – three countries that broke with the Arab consensus on the subject, which was that ties with Israel should be predicated on the creation of a Palestinian state. The deals were brokered by the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump.


Referring to the legacy of the country's founding father Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Khan said he will follow his policy. "I have no second thought to recognize Israel unless there is a just settlement, which satisfies Palestinians.”

• Is Pakistan Preparing to Recognize Israel?
• Pakistan Will Not Be Recognizing Israel Anytime Soon — Here’s Why
• Israel Would Welcome Ties With Pakistan. Should India Worry?

Khan also addressed Islamabad's future relations with President-elect Joe Biden, saying he does not believe there will be a fundamental change in policy regarding Afghanistan, but that "the real issue is Israel. It is to be seen how he deals with that. Whether he changes Trump's policies or continues with them."

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On Sunday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas thanked Khan for his comments. “We highly appreciate your adherence to your positions in support of the Palestinian people to obtain their legitimate rights,” Abbas said in the letter.

U.S., another country 'pressuring Pakistan to recognize Israel,' says PM Imran Khan

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[Reichsmarschall]

U.S., Another Country 'Pressuring Pakistan to Recognize Israel,' Says PM Imran Khan
Pakistan premier said it's because of 'Israel's deep impact in the United States' but refused to answer if Gulf States were also pushing Islamabad
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Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin SalmanCredit: Saudi Press Agency

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Published on 17.11.2020

>> How Saudi Arabia is pressuring Pakistan to recognize Israel

Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan said the United States and at least one other country are pressuring Pakistan to formally recognize Israel.

Khan said in a televised interview last week that his country would not consider normalization with Israel unless there is a just solution with the Palestinians.

As reported by Pakistan's The Express Tribune, Khan said "the pressure is because of Israel's deep impact in the United States. This was in fact extraordinary during Trump's stint.”


Asked whether Muslim countries have been pressuring Pakistan, Khan replied "Leave this. There are things we cannot say." Khan then referred to Pakistan's economic dependence on certain countries. "We have good relations with them," he said, without naming the countries. "Let us stand on our own feet in terms of economy, then you may ask these questions,” Khan answered.

- Advertisment -

Israel has recently signed normalization deals with the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan – three countries that broke with the Arab consensus on the subject, which was that ties with Israel should be predicated on the creation of a Palestinian state. The deals were brokered by the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump.


Referring to the legacy of the country's founding father Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Khan said he will follow his policy. "I have no second thought to recognize Israel unless there is a just settlement, which satisfies Palestinians.”

• Is Pakistan Preparing to Recognize Israel?
• Pakistan Will Not Be Recognizing Israel Anytime Soon — Here’s Why
• Israel Would Welcome Ties With Pakistan. Should India Worry?

Khan also addressed Islamabad's future relations with President-elect Joe Biden, saying he does not believe there will be a fundamental change in policy regarding Afghanistan, but that "the real issue is Israel. It is to be seen how he deals with that. Whether he changes Trump's policies or continues with them."

- Advertisment -


On Sunday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas thanked Khan for his comments. “We highly appreciate your adherence to your positions in support of the Palestinian people to obtain their legitimate rights,” Abbas said in the letter.

U.S., another country 'pressuring Pakistan to recognize Israel,' says PM Imran Khan

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They tried to bomb our nuclear plants, why should we recognize them?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan needs to ignore these requests. There will be a change of regime in the USA in the next few weeks, and everything will change again ... Israel will have less influence with the Biden regime, then it had via the Trump regime, though there will still influence..

 

[Thorough Pro]

People on this forum who are still delusional that KSA will finance the purchase of any Military hardware for Pakistan or the USA would sell any new equipment should know that nothing of the sort will ever happen unless Pakistan recognizes Israel, which will not happen under Ik's watch. PPP and PMLN would sell their mothers for getting back into power, recognizing Israel would be a non-issue for them and this is where religious parties and their street power comes in to play.

 

[The SC]

People on this forum who are still delusional that KSA will finance the purchase of any Military hardware for Pakistan or the USA would sell any new equipment should know that nothing of the sort will ever happen unless Pakistan recognizes Israel, which will not happen under Ik's watch. PPP and PMLN would sell their mothers for getting back into power, recognizing Israel would be a non-issue for them and this is where religious parties and their street power comes in to play.

What has KSA to do with this?
Does it recognize Usrael in your eyes?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

They tried to bomb our nuclear plants, why should we recognize them?

So did Indians.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Are you trying to defend the KSA or do not agree with my point of view?
You are free to express your opinion.
My statement is based on my knowledge of knowing how KSA bows down to the Americans to save its kingdom and how the USA blackmails the Kingdom for the same reason and that KAS will always further US interests as long they do not threaten their own rule.

What has KSA to do with this?
Does it recognize Usrael in your eyes?

 

[The SC]

Are you trying to defend the KSA or do not agree with my point of view?
You are free to express your opinion.
My statement is based on my knowledge of knowing how KSA bows down to the Americans to save its kingdom and how the USA blackmails the Kingdom for the same reason and that KAS will always further US interests as long they do not threaten their own rule.

Your assessments are completely wrong about Saudi Arabia..
We are not here to provide opinions.. only facts backed by sources..

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

They tried to bomb our nuclear plants, why should we recognize them?

didn't we bombed them first during Arab Israel wars in 60s. how hypocritical of us to forget that.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

didn't we bombed them first during Arab Israel wars in 60s. how hypocritical of us to forget that.

Tbh israel is quite irrelevant to us, if we don't have good relationship with them we don't have hostilities either. It's just that we don't smile at them when we walk past them in hallway. And if USA wants us to pass a smile they'd have to do something for us in return.... Maybe waive off all our loans and tell Israel to stop aiding indian military against Pakistan.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Tbh israel is quite irrelevant to us, if we don't have good relationship with them we don't have hostilities either. It's just that we don't smile at them when we walk past them in hallway. And if USA wants us to pass a smile they'd have to do something for us in return.... Maybe waive off all our loans and tell Israel to stop aiding indian military against Pakistan.

Yes ofcourse if we play our cards smart but what do you mean by waiving "all" the loans or asking US to stop aiding India. This is impractical and stupid demand. Best is to engage American jewish lobbies to make them invest in Pakistan. Make US clear CSF/or some other aid for Pakistan. Unfreezing Zulus, giving engine approvals for T-129s etc etc. Had we played our cards smartly 15 years back, we would had access to American tech much more.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Yes ofcourse if we play our cards smart but what do you mean by waiving "all" the loans or asking US to stop aiding India. This is impractical and stupid demand. Best is to engage American jewish lobbies to make them invest in Pakistan. Make US clear CSF/or some other aid for Pakistan. Unfreezing Zulus, giving engine approvals for T-129s etc etc. Had we played our cards smartly 15 years back, we would had access to American tech much more.

You want to sell our conscience for some paltry investment and afew dozen good for nothing military helicopter? If you want to disappoint Jinnah and sell your souls atleast do it for the right price.
Pakistan has been an independent country for past 70 years it's about time we stopped begging and selling our conscience for military toys.