PM Nawaz pays surprise visit to two commercial centres in Islamabad

[WishLivePak]

That's it? "Wrong on all counts" without proper facts backing anything up? Sounds like IK talking. No, No, No judge there is rigging even if you can't find it. I lost so it is definitely rigging. The Martians flew in a secret Spaceship, took over the voting stations, casted fake votes, waited till the results and flew away back to Mars. And they had the support of everyone and their dog in Pakistan!!



At least the didn't tell the kid to drag his opponents and their families out of their homes and punch them, or conduct violence and disrupt the peace.....or go get high in a sit in inside Islamabad and spread violence, while drinking, doing drugs and using prostitutes brought from Lahore and the great KPK to keep the youth "young"!!! While the country loses billions in business, economic activity and in reputation.

You really want to talk about "cheap" attitude???




Common man, are you smoking some fishy stuff?? Mercedes isn't designed to take an RPG hit. It was probably a low level home made material like an IED or something. Not real military grade. German engineering is great but a car doesn't turn into a tank. Plus the way terrorists have attacked in Pakistan many times, even larger buildings can't stand a truck or a van laden with explosives. A van or car laden with explosives can easily take out 20-40 cars within a specific radius. Thus the extended security detail, as it has to cover a wider area in case an attack was to happen.

You can keep arguing about it but you are away from facts and now it's just your personal political will against the "King NS". If IK was in power, it would be the same. Under a civilian government, the PM has the authority to press the Red button first or issue a final order on it in case of a war. So he will be protected as such.

Actually, I was talking about BMWs, but he showed Mercedes or some other car to prove his point.

BMW can actually take an RPG hit if I remember correctly.

This person is comparing Pakistan material to german tech: BMW Security Vehicles : Your benefits

BMW has 30 years of experience and they actually have major R/D in this field. They even train the drivers, among other things. This isn't what most Pakistani companies will do, look up google images, slap chunks of steel and call it a secure vehicle.

"it is the first vehicle specifically designed to protect against the world’s most widely used firearm, the AK-47, while at the same time offering drivers the everyday flexibility they need. The BMW 7 Series High Security safeguards high-ranking officials and corporate executives against attack using armour-piercing munition and explosives."

Plus S500s were getting old (I think 5-10 years old). It was time to replace them, due to warranty, change in tech, integrity, so forth.

 

[Jango]

That's it? "Wrong on all counts" without proper facts backing anything up? Sounds like IK talking. No, No, No judge there is rigging even if you can't find it. I lost so it is definitely rigging. The Martians flew in a secret Spaceship, took over the voting stations, casted fake votes, waited till the results and flew away back to Mars. And they had the support of everyone and their dog in Pakistan!!

Ok, so you aren't American then, thanks for clearing that up.

But then again, you don't know the basics about the security provided to the PM.

I have been with and continue to be with people directly involved in the security protocol of the PM and 111 Brigade DOES NOT provide security to the PM anywhere.

Actually the onus is on you to provide your proof since you are the one who is going against the general opinion here. So where is your proof that 111 Brigade does provide security to the PM?

 

[Fracker]

Definetly publicity stunt.

Still PML-N is far behind then calling last two years as successful. I was the expecting fast track motorway buildup to karachi and gwadar, was exoecting some new industrial cities, technological parks, etc, some solar panel and alternative consumer energy source manufacturing industries start in Pakistan. Some huge projects like mumbai-dehli industrial zones...

Yes, things did have improve a lot, but in this competent world pretty slow pace..

Srilanka, India, Bangladesh, Burma all our east is not on fast track.. We have to beat them to be on the top, rather then such pre celebrations. Kindly go back and redesign development plans.

 

[razgriz19]

"I brought my new car to take you for ride" and not say "I brought my used car to show you"

I meant in the case. Either way, it was built in 2013. Very new


Back in 2014. He used it on his visit to usa and took his wife to London in it.

PAF or PA never recieved any private jet costing $30 million.
We operate two Gulfstreams, G4 and G450. And we ordered them during Musharraf era.
Post a picture of the aircraft COAS ordered for $30 million.

 

[A.M.]

Wrong; This is show of strength by Police prior Moharram/Ashura, First appear in Arabic News site
http://translate.google.com/transla...s/world-press/2013-02-13-1.549172&prev=search




Public Yes; but Not Pakistani.........Indonesian
Solving Jakarta’s Traffic Congestion? | GIVnews.com - Indonesian Perspective to Global Audience




Wrong Again; Its Raiwind but not for Sharifs i/o Raiwind annual Religious gatherings
1,500 security and 999 traffic cops for Ijtema – The Express Tribune

@RescueRanger

Your are supposed to be a TT........hhmmmmmm!!

Hahaha the TT completely avoided this post.

Rekt.

 

[WishLivePak]

PAF or PA never recieved any private jet costing $30 million.
We operate two Gulfstreams, G4 and G450. And we ordered them during Musharraf era.
Post a picture of the aircraft COAS ordered for $30 million.

All sizes | G450 4270 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

If we already operate g4 and g450, I wonder why we acquired this jet which was built in 2013 and Pakistan got it in late 2014.

Hahaha the TT completely avoided this post.

Rekt.

Kept telling him to read it, but he wouldn't.

It was quite funny (if you go through the argument).

 

[Viper0011.]

Ok, so you aren't American then, thanks for clearing that up.

But then again, you don't know the basics about the security provided to the PM.

I have been with and continue to be with people directly involved in the security protocol of the PM and 111 Brigade DOES NOT provide security to the PM anywhere.

I am not an American? How did you guess that? And where did I "clarify" that in my post? IK and his followers intellect shows up every time they make statements like the one you made. I am just as American as the American Red, White and Blue on our flag.

Instead of making silly comments like your so called "leader", try to come up with an intelligent discussion so we can actually debate.

I don't know who are "these" people that you are involved with but every PM gets military protection around South Asia, as majority of the countries don't have separate services like the USSS.

Who shipped the PM's sedan to Nepal so he won't have to sit inside an Indian car due to protection related reasons? It was the Pakistani Army and it used PAF's C-130 for it !! Zardari was used to get three F-16's escort every time he was in the air. Too much waste, but just a reminder.

You don't have to give us the propaganda on here. The fact of the matter I that NS is your PM whether you hate it, and he gets the security protocols, end of the story. Not sure why we have to argue about it.

Definetly publicity stunt.

Still PML-N is far behind then calling last two years as successful. I was the expecting fast track motorway buildup to karachi and gwadar, was exoecting some new industrial cities, technological parks, etc, some solar panel and alternative consumer energy source manufacturing industries start in Pakistan. Some huge projects like mumbai-dehli industrial

Are you drawing pictures of these projects on paper or actually "building" them? The only way to do these with so much "speed" is to draw them on papers. Actual implementation takes a good few years, more complexity if you don't have a lot of money and have to get loans and investments......you forgot that part.

 

[Fracker]

Are you drawing pictures of these projects on paper or actually "building" them? The only way to do these with so much "speed" is to draw them on papers. Actual implementation takes a good few years, more complexity if you don't have a lot of money and have to get loans and investments......you forgot that part.

Where is plans? from two years not a single start.. Kashghar-Gwadar was the first thing which NS announced to start, yet still route discussions are in progress only? Did Modi finished Mumbai-Dehli Industrial zones? No, but they already started and it's not even 8 months Modi joined. Nuclear Power Plants, were the second thing which NS wanted from china (same visit it was discussed), yet nothing on ground yet. Give Modi more 10 months you will see something.

Stop wasting oour and yours time and do some real work. World is not going to wait his engine to get warm first.

PS: I do recommend PML-N Government, and this is why i want it to be better then the rest .. Not just better then Zardari & Co.. That was never been my target to vote for PML-N

 

[Jazzbot]

@SBD-3 @cb4 @Fracker @Tameem

 

[RescueRanger]

Actually, I was talking about BMWs, but he showed Mercedes or some other car to prove his point.

BMW can actually take an RPG hit if I remember correctly.

This person is comparing Pakistan material to german tech: BMW Security Vehicles : Your benefits

BMW has 30 years of experience and they actually have major R/D in this field. They even train the drivers, among other things. This isn't what most Pakistani companies will do, look up google images, slap chunks of steel and call it a secure vehicle.

"it is the first vehicle specifically designed to protect against the world’s most widely used firearm, the AK-47, while at the same time offering drivers the everyday flexibility they need. The BMW 7 Series High Security safeguards high-ranking officials and corporate executives against attack using armour-piercing munition and explosives."

Plus S500s were getting old (I think 5-10 years old). It was time to replace them, due to warranty, change in tech, integrity, so forth.

@WishLivePak

1. Yes a Pullman Guard s500 can survive a an rpg hit to the engine block and so can a s7, both of them would be wrecks if the damn rocket hit the glass panels.

2. You keep thinking that the vehicles we have for CM, PM and Presidential security are made in Pakistan. THEY ARE NOT they are purchased directly via Shahnawaz or Sigma Motors (BMW) which import the vehnicles from Germany

3. Both vehicles are made in Germany, you can't compare on against the other

4. BMW has 30 years experience and Mercedes made the first Daimler armored vehicle in 1928. Please see video:

5. S500 and S550 offer T7 / VR7 level protection which includes AK47. Otherwise it would not be a true "Security Vehicle":

Furthermore the new S600 Guard offers the highest level of protection available short of sitting in a tank and that is T8 which you can see the video for here:

S600 Guard has been certified for the highest level of ballistic protection, which is VR9.
Top 10 Most Expensive Armored Cars - TheRichest

Also you keep thinking that those Land cruiser Amazons are made in Pakistan. NO, the ones used by CM house, and CCP etc are actually imported from Germany and the UAE and provide VR7 level protection and include blast mitigation. Here is chart showing what is blast protection levels:

Source: Transco Armor Vehicle Servicing Manual = Also available online on their website:
Start | Trasco


Also here is a Georgian Documentary on the terrorists who attacked President Shevardnadze's convoy and how his S500Guard was able to save his life:

^ It's in Georgian but you can watch the planning and execution state from 34:09. Only our trainers had the English version.

With regards to driver training, the best security driver training school is actually with the US Department of Diplomatic Security in a custom built complex in New Mexico.

In closing, yes the 7 series is a great vehicle and it offers excellent protection and comfort, but the Mercedes equally is one of the best security limousines in the world. Also please don't compare the cheap armored vehicles ministers buy to the high security products our CM, PM and CCP are provided with, two entirely different kettle of fish.

 

[Jango]

I am not an American? How did you guess that? And where did I "clarify" that in my post? IK and his followers intellect shows up every time they make statements like the one you made. I am just as American as the American Red, White and Blue on our flag.

Instead of making silly comments like your so called "leader", try to come up with an intelligent discussion so we can actually debate.

Have I even once used PTI or Imran Khan's reference in my posts on this thread.

NO I HAVE NOT. SO STOP THE BULLSH!T...GOT IT?

I don't know who are "these" people that you are involved with but every PM gets military protection around South Asia, as majority of the countries don't have separate services like the USSS.

I guess I've been living in the wrong country then. My bad.

Who shipped the PM's sedan to Nepal so he won't have to sit inside an Indian car due to protection related reasons? It was the Pakistani Army and it used PAF's C-130 for it !! Zardari was used to get three F-16's escort every time he was in the air. Too much waste, but just a reminder.

Is it too hard for you to comprehend that providing logisitics and security are two different things? Police or the PSD does not have enough resource to transport the PM and his entourage around, hence the PAF provides the logistics.

The only thing the Army provides are pilots and engineers for the MoI helicopter division, 6 Sqn based at Jinnah Stadium.

And I would really like it if you provide any sort of proof for Zardari getting 3 F-16's every time he is in the air.

You don't have to give us the propaganda on here. The fact of the matter I that NS is your PM whether you hate it, and he gets the security protocols, end of the story. Not sure why we have to argue about it.

I never debated this fact Einstein. All I said is that the Army does not provide security to him, or as you specifically said, 111 Brigade.

Now unless you bring up any facts or sources or links to back up your statements rather than just hot air and trying to change the topic, I am not going to reply to you. I don't have to prove anything to an American who follows Imran Khan more than I do, which is an anomaly in itself!

 

[RescueRanger]

Ok, so you aren't American then, thanks for clearing that up.

But then again, you don't know the basics about the security provided to the PM.

I have been with and continue to be with people directly involved in the security protocol of the PM and 111 Brigade DOES NOT provide security to the PM anywhere.

Actually the onus is on you to provide your proof since you are the one who is going against the general opinion here. So where is your proof that 111 Brigade does provide security to the PM?

Sir please don't worry I have asked this gentleman to provide me of the name of the RSO at the time and he did not provide it, I also asked him if he was DSS he didn't know what that is. So please don't waste your time.

 

[Jango]

Sir please don't worry I have asked this gentleman to provide me of the name of the RSO at the time and he did not provide it, I also asked him if he was DSS he didn't know what that is. So please don't waste your time.

Yup.

He is definitely talking without any knowledge of the facts...and is implying that he actually knows more about the security detail of the PM and other VIP's in Pakistan more than those who do this job for a living themselves!

@SBD-3 @cb4 @Fracker @Tameem

This is what my family members living in Islamabad told me! They they just visited the market a day before and the rates were all different haha!!!

This guy was selling carrot for 35 Rs for God's sake!

 

[WishLivePak]

Yup.

He is definitely talking without any knowledge of the facts...and is implying that he actually knows more about the security detail of the PM and other VIP's in Pakistan more than those who do this job for a living themselves!



This is what my family members living in Islamabad told me! They they just visited the market a day before and the rates were all different haha!!!

This guy was selling carrot for 35 Rs for God's sake!

He also quoted some general and when i asked for source, he said he's source for it.

Though what he says carries weight and is somewhat true, he needs to source. Not everyone believes in truth.

 

[I FLY HIGH]

how can u noon league even use words like ëven more"in PTI when youger brother is CM, elder is PM, samdhi is fianance minsiter, son is defecto CM, daughter made incharge of billions of funds, while sons who are not even in politics attend offical meetings? for God sake stop defending it.

I say so because PM is the first generation as his father was not a politician , he is a self made politician , unlike Qureshi whose father was Governor Punjab , Tareen family is long into POlitics , Pervaiz Khattak has relative lady Mnas, His son in law is MNA on PTI seat and got most funds from PTI KPK govt , i can give you hundreds of examples about PTI so stop mud slinging , if PM has trust in Ishaq dar and shahbaz sharif , i dont have any problem in it . They are doing a fine job . This is just like Bill CLINTON was President of USA but His wife made his room in politics with his own efforts and there is no harm in it .