PLA Navy aims to control Indian Ocean: National Interest

[Shotgunner51]

I agree with short gunner here. The thing is though today the PLAN still has a significant lead over the IN, in the coming years/decades it will only get bigger. Since China has a wayyyyy bigger industrial base/shipbuilding capabilities compared to India, they can build at a much more faster rate than India can. In event of conflict, they can easily out built India without much effort. Do in this case industrial might counts more than anything. So if anything, the gap will get bigger this coming decade. However, I don't think there will be any conflict between these two, the PLAN sees the US and Japan as its main enemies/rivals, it can still solve its issues with India since Chinese don't have much hatred/apprehension towards India the way they do with Japan. I believe India and China can come to an understanding much easier than china can with Japan since their differences/hatred runs very deep.

So in short, the PLAN is still ahead of India and it will be even more so in future, but India does have an advantage since its closer to Indian ocean, and the PLAN will naturally keep trying to have a presence in IOR but it will be mainly geared towards the U.S than India. Let's just wait and see how things unfold.

That's right, as mice 2000 pointed out, india is not the among top priorities in PLA's strategic opponents which should be US and Japan instead. On the Pacific theater, PLAN's game plan is A2/AD vs USN/JMSDF's Air-sea battle. About the IOR game plan, it is primarily designed to provide additional/alternative security (on top of USN presence) to the maritime silk road initiative, and act only as a backup plan for any potential incidents (though the chance is remote as we both said) which might occur on the subcontinent.

 

[mehul sharma]

no offense but India has a history of saying more than actually doing

No No India Ocean is Indian and no one who is foreign to Indian Ocean can not control it. India will bring all its power to stop anything like this to happen

 

[mike2000]

Are you just thinking....

See after seeing this picture i realized Pakistanis would allow anythings of Chinese to leave anywhere they like
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Ahahahah... Funny one.

 

[axisofevil]

Nice hospitality, thanks bro. The plans are progressing steadily:
China Getting Ready to Dominate the Indian Ocean?
Chinese submarine docks in Sri Lanka despite Indian concerns| Reuters

PLAN meeting Seychelles government officials.

Satcom and supply stations.

Dual purpose facilities


If incidents occur on subcontinent (though the opportunity is vague), PLA or PLAAF could only respond from the land direction i.e. mostly from the N, NE, NW, therefore establishment in IOR are important to reinforce the whole response by supporting PLAN's SSGN and like type 055/052 to maintain operation within cruise missile distance from the coasts.

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Is the second picture attachment what I think it is? Looks like some battle plans? Interesting? Seeing this forces me to counter it effectively.

As for PLAN shipbuilding capabilities, most of the ships built are for domestic consumption. It does give them good experience and capability. I guess if a war was to start, such facilities would a definite target. Think Germany WW2.

The problem with China....is not many countries actually trust Chinese intentions.

 

[IND151]

In terms of being war machine, the drastic disparity between China and India is even more severe than in economic indicators like GDP (5:1) or forex reserve (13:1).

Take into account other factors which I have posted.

If PLAN and IN face each other in water near India/ Andman, India will have upper hand, depite Chinese numerical superiority.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Is the second picture attachment what I think it is? Looks like some battle plans? Interesting? Seeing this forces me to counter it effectively.

As for PLAN shipbuilding capabilities, most of the ships built are for domestic consumption. It does give them good experience and capability. I guess if a war was to start, such facilities would a definite target. Think Germany WW2.

The problem with China....is not many countries actually trust Chinese intentions.

The attachments cannot be battle plans, instead they are publicly available on the internet showing what is the ongoing progress about development of facilities in IOR. I suppose most DoD's in countries related to IOR might have battle plans and countering plans, I am not in a position to confirm though.

Naturally in war time facilities (in China's case heavy industries are very wide spread across the county, which is 3 times the size of india) are potential targets and that's what military has to take care of, say defensive approach or preemptive approach or a combination of both.

Gaining trust is an agenda for diplomats or finance/commercial branch, so far has been successful with some countries around IOR and allows the IOR plan to progress steadily.

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[Shotgunner51]

Take into account other factors which I have posted.

If PLAN and IN face each other in water near India/ Andman, India will have upper hand, depite Chinese numerical superiority.

Yes I have taken into account of the factors.

The naval warfare in IOR would be similar to a A2/AD vs Air-sea battle scenario, IN will definitely be reinforced by other military branches. Whether there is an upper hand or not depends on the what would be the tactical objective of each side, where as in PLAN's case would be a reinforcement to major actions by other PLA branches working from other directions. In this direction alone, other than numerical superiority you mentioned, other factors like range of firepower projection, precision of projection, stealthiness of projection platforms, use of special operations, would be important.

As I said, just hypothetical, in reality the chance of war is remote, just view it from a pure military game plan angle.

 

[HariPrasad]

We are going to petrol South Chain sea and make sure that China remain confined to South China sea. They can not enter Indian ocean. To enter Indian ocean shall remain a wet dream of china.

Mighty Indian navy with Hypersonic brahmos shall be patrolling Indian ocean by then and any effort to enter this region without Indian permission shall be a nightmare for any navy.

 

[Shotgunner51]

We are going to petrol South Chain sea and make sure that China remain confined to South China sea.

Iran did sent warships to scare US and successfully confine USN to the Caribbean seas, good move wasn't it?
Iran reportedly sends two warships to Atlantic | Fox News
Iran says warships headed close to U.S. borders

They can not enter Indian ocean. To enter Indian ocean shall remain a wet dream of china. Mighty Indian navy with Hypersonic brahmos shall be patrolling Indian ocean by then and any effort to enter this region without Indian permission shall be a nightmare for any navy.

The wet dream has realized, PLAN has already entered IOR many times, and will continue to send more ships to the IOR, on a more frequent manner. No permission was ever given, didn't have any nightmare.
Chinese submarine docks in Sri Lanka despite Indian concerns| Reuters
China’s Navy to Send More Ships to the Indian Ocean | The Diplomat

 

[applesauce]

No No India Ocean is Indian and no one who is foreign to Indian Ocean can not control it. India will bring all its power to stop anything like this to happen

the USN is laughing at your statement.

 

[HariPrasad]

Iran did sent warships to scare US and successfully confine USN to the Caribbean seas, good move wasn't it?
Iran reportedly sends two warships to Atlantic | Fox News
Iran says warships headed close to U.S. borders

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-warships-headed-close-to-us-borders/5316199/

Wow Iranian warship will scare US than US will literally bow down to China. I like that. If you do not have an access to open source of information, people think like this.

The wet dream has realized, PLAN has already entered IOR many times, and will continue to send more ships to the IOR, on a more frequent manner. No permission was ever given, didn't have any nightmare.
Chinese submarine docks in Sri Lanka despite Indian concerns| Reuters
China’s Navy to Send More Ships to the Indian Ocean | The Diplomat

We cut your Sankara connection but our Vietnam connection has further strengthen. Now your Submarine shall not be able to come to Sankara but our warship shall continue to Exercise in south china sea with Vietnam.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Wow Iranian warship will scare US than US will literally bow down to China. I like that. If you do not have an access to open source of information, people think like this.

Oh you like that? Understand you think indian antique ship can scare China like Iranian warship will scare the US, usually people with a lower-than-average IQ combined with supapawa delusion arised from dire hunger can do that, which is common over there.

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We cut your Sankara connection but our Vietnam connection has further strengthen. Now your Submarine shall not be able to come to Sankara but our warship shall continue to Exercise in south china sea with Vietnam.

The only connection you can cut is the dung water canal in a downtown mumbai slum, beyond that your antique ship can go hunt for some Thai fishing boats, that's all you are good at. During the mean time, we have had for quite some time, and will continue to, getting more both in quantity and frequency, docks, build, sails and patrol around IOR. You can do jack about it.

 

[HariPrasad]

Oh you like that? Understand you think indian antique ship can scare China like Iranian warship will scare the US, usually people with a lower-than-average IQ combined with supapawa delusion arised from dire hunger can do that, which is common over there.

The Five Most-Powerful Navies on the Planet | The National Interest
IQ and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The only connection you can cut is the dung water canal in a downtown mumbai slum, beyond that your antique ship can go hunt for some Thai fishing boats, that's all you are good at. During the mean time, we have had for quite some time, and will continue to, getting more both in quantity and frequency, docks, build, sails and patrol around IOR. You can do jack about it.

Indian ocean is ours. Your Ukraine junk platform is not fit for combat. SO do not shout too much. We are more than capable to teach you a lesson in Indian ocean.

By the way we are exploring oil from south china sea. What happened to your country's 5641413131 warning to stay away from Vietnam oil exploration.

We have decided to petrol in south china sea also. Our warship is freely roaming in south china sea. Stop them if you can.You guys have a bad habit of shouting too much without having any guts to show your might. Come on I dare you to stop us in south china sea before dreaming of controlling Indian ocean.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Indian ocean is ours.

Ooop it's yours? We have being playing a lot in your turf then? We will continue to play more.
See Post#50

Your Ukraine junk platform is not fit for combat. SO do not shout too much. We are more than capable to teach you a lesson in Indian ocean.

Did brain-dead indian media tell you that's a combat ship? It's training ship we have told everyone.
And look who is talking about junk antique LMAO! ... no one else use antique ships as main warships and brag about it like you do alright?

Lessons like what? 1962 naval edition? Chest thumping? Go on, talk talk talk.

By the way we are exploring oil from south china sea. What happened to your country's 5641413131 warning to stay away from Vietnam oil exploration.

You are going to joint venture with Vietnam, not by yourself alone, on their rocks, did delusional indian media fed you steroid again? They invited other countries too.
We are on a friendly talking to Vietnam about take over these rocks, before that it's Vietnam's call.
Told ya, india being a featherweight player in the ring just doesn't matter.

We have decided to petrol in south china sea also. Our warship is freely roaming in south china sea. Stop them if you can.You guys have a bad habit of shouting too much without having any guts to show your might. Come on I dare you to stop us in south china sea before dreaming of controlling Indian ocean.

Go on send your antique ships, like Iran send ships to confine USN to the Caribbean seas, you will successfully confine PLAN to SCS, and destroy PLAN by bringing deadly laughter on them ... LMAO. Damn that would also confine our rescue teams to SCS in case you have accidents that's normal in your so-called-navy. You need repair docks too right? Our mega size shipbuilding facilities can help no worry.

So your antique ships confine PLAN to SCS, ooops, some other PLAN guys are having fun in IOR. They have already done so, wow the dream is very real, and will continue, see post #50.

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[gslv mk3]

India's focus is to become a global super power and replace the US. We keep thinking we are building a strategic partnership with them

*yawn*