PLA Navy aims to control Indian Ocean: National Interest

[Luca1]

Sorry if I misunderstood you. Even in the context of controlling, you put the Chinese against the US and others. That wasn't even the topic, the topic was really Chinese trying to control this side of the ocean because of India, there ain't no US around Sri Lanka that the Chinese need to worry about. So let's be productive in our discussion in the context of the Chinese Navy vs. the IN, I think this could be a great discussion with a ton of good fact based information on it. When we troll a thread, the real topic dies down and there is no fun debating or reading anymore. Thanks,

In India ocean, the conflict is between China and India, US has no need to be involve. Asians should deal with their own issues.

Nice reply
Your welcome sir


One thing is thru that IN JPN and PLAN will rule the Asian Waters
Interesting time ahead

It will only be USN THAT RULE ASIAN WATERS.

 

[asad71]

Welcome news for BN.

 

[Screambowl]

Maybe India is going to attack Pakistan if Chinese submarine allow to dock at Pakistan?

We will dock our subs in Vietnam and Japan

 

[axisofevil]

they dont have the balls to do that

We sure do. We already split your country into 2 pieces

 

[Viper0011.]

In India ocean, the conflict is between China and India, US has no need to be involve. Asians should deal with their own issues.

We are both saying the same thing. Keep us out of these silly regional stuff. If the times comes and we have to be involved, we know how to handle our business and we do it very well

 

[TheTruth]

India will retaliate against any country that offers such bases...no matter who wins in fight between two elephants, it is the grass that is going to get destroyed...

just so u know..we just kicked out a pro-chinese srilankan govt and installed a pro-indian govt there...and also we kicked out a chinese bid to develop a bangladeshi port and now india will develop it..also sitwe port in myanmar is being developed by india..myanmar has kicked out chinese comps some time back..

Just so you know, bragging about toppling sovereign governments in another country is pretty much the stupidest move you can make. The reason why SL ever got to the point of getting close to China was because you supported terrorists in their country. Trends in relations go up and down and they're going to be even more pro-Chinese after the current admin runs its course. Especially if it does not do well.

Amateur move.

 

[UKBengali]

Well it just isn't going to happen. The strongest navy in the IOR is the USN and soon enough the IN will be challenging this top spot (in the IOR), the PLA(N) are a distant third and will be as long as India and the US are prosperous and stable.

I seriously doubt the PLA(N) has any such intentions in the medium to long term, they have enough issues in the SCS to deal with, forget about the IOR and their blue water, power projection capabilities are questionable to say the least.


The IN will have

3 carriers around the same time and with a far superior carrier operating pedigree than the PLAN
7 P-15A/B DDGs
16-19 FFGs (P-17/A and Talwars)
12 advanced SSKs, 8 with AIP
2 SSNs
(don't forget the world's most advanced ASW assets such as the S-70B, P-28 corvettes, P-8I and MQ-6C)

And let us not count out the unsinkable air craft carrier that is the A&N islands that are being shored up as we speak to be a dominant military force on its own.


I don't think the PLA(N) scares anyone in India.

Only two carriers - the planned 65,000 tonne carrier is unlikely to be ready till late 2020s.

China, on the other hand, is highly likely to construct a 100,000 tonne nuclear super-carrier by 2025.

So 2 times 40,000 tonne carriers going against 3 65-80,000 tonne carriers and 1 100,000 tonne super-carrier is absolutely no contest. Just the 100,000 tonne super-carrier will have more fire-power than the 2 carriers in the IN by 2025.

The Chinese will be fairly competent in carrier warfare by the end of this decade. India has been playing with tiny STOL carriers for the last 50 years and so not much of an advantage in operating large catapult carriers.

 

[Luca1]

We will dock our subs in Vietnam and Japan

It seems like India seeks to replace USA as the dominate power of Pacific.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The Chinese will be fairly competent in carrier warfare by the end of this decade. India has been playing with tiny STOL carriers for the last 50 years and so not much of an advantage in operating large catapult carriers.

Silly logic, the way the carrier's aircraft get in the air is rather less important than the entire doctrine around operating a carrier. The expertise India has built up and retained over the past 50 years is invaluable and if you think the PLA(N) can go from operating no carriers to mammoth carriers with no growing pains (a LOT of mishaps and losses) then you are deluding yourself.

And what will the Chinese use on their carriers? Steam catapults? Or still use Ramps? What experience do they have designing carrier aircraft? Next to none.

65,000 tonne carrier is unlikely to be ready till late 2020s.

Mid 2020s is realistic with construction beginning on the IAC-2 with EMALS in the next 2 years and a construction time of 6-7 years.

So 2 times 40,000 tonne carriers going against 3 65-80,000 tonne carriers and 1 100,000 tonne super-carrier is absolutely no contest.

Both sides' figures are wrong here and how about factoring in the A&N islands into all this, the unsinkable IN aircraft carrier as it were.

Carriers are not the be all and end all of naval operations, the IN will continue to be the predominant Asian navy in the IOR for as long as India is stable and economically sound and nothing the PLA(N) can do will change this, it just isn't feasible for a foreign navy (leaving aside the USN) to be able to dislodge the IN from its position as the region's net security provider given all the inherent benefits the IN has from operating at home and all the inherent disadvantages the PLA(N) would have in operating in India's backyard.

First the PLA(N) needs to address China's issues in the SCS before it can even think of building up even a modest presence in the IOR.

 

[UKBengali]

Silly logic, the way the carrier's aircraft get in the air is rather less important than the entire doctrine around operating a carrier. The expertise India has built up and retained over the past 50 years is invaluable and if you think the PLA(N) can go from operating no carriers to mammoth carriers with no growing pains (a LOT of mishaps and losses) then you are deluding yourself..

US Navy destroyed the more experienced Japanese Navy in WW2. Experience is over-rated. 10 years is plenty of time for China to master the fundamentals of carrier warfare.

And what will the Chinese use on their carriers? Steam catapults? Or still use Ramps? What experience do they have designing carrier aircraft? Next to none.

China has taken the hull of the Varyag and completely refurbished it, including fitting its own engines. They are using the knowledge from this to build more carriers. It is a gradual step and soon they will be building a completely indigenous design. They have much more experience building ships in general than India does and so building large carriers wont be too much of a problem for the Chinese.

Mid 2020s is realistic with construction beginning on the IAC-2 with EMALS in the next 2 years and a construction time of 6-7 years.

Fair enough.

Both sides' figures are wrong here and how about factoring in the A&N islands into all this, the unsinkable IN aircraft carrier as it were.

Several Type-55 cruisers could hold over 1000 medium and long-range SAMs, while guiding over a hundred missiles simultaneously to their targets. The Chinese are constructing a formidable protection force for their carriers.

Carriers are not the be all and end all of naval operations, the IN will continue to be the predominant Asian navy in the IOR for as long as India is stable and economically sound and nothing the PLA(N) can do will change this, it just isn't feasible for a foreign navy (leaving aside the USN) to be able to dislodge the IN from its position as the region's net security provider given all the inherent benefits the IN has from operating at home and all the inherent disadvantages the PLA(N) would have in operating in India's backyard.

First the PLA(N) needs to address China's issues in the SCS before it can even think of building up even a modest presence in the IOR.

Let us wait another 10-15 years and all will be revealed.

 

[Viper0011.]

It seems like India seeks to replace USA as the dominate power of Pacific.

you've figured it out. There is a LOT more to it but not the right thread. We are a "way to the means" and "means to the end". The "end" is in their own mind and they don't think we know it

India's focus is to become a global super power and replace the US. We keep thinking we are building a strategic partnership with them. Their thought process is, we are providing support so let India prosper. When the time comes for us to ask anything "strategic" of them, the decision in the future will be their as they'd have become a much larger power (1.2 billion people) and we'd be a distant country with decent market share (300 million). In my opinion, 10 years from now, India and China will become "buddy buddy" along with the Russians, or will have huge trade projects between the three, connected through rail, streets and may be a no war pact (like the European union).
We'll just be a distant force and won't have much say in Asia's events (as per their thought process). Not sure how it'll turn out though.

 

[Screambowl]

Its like India seeks to replace USA as the dominate power of Pacific.

By deploying one naval vessel, no domination is changed

 

[FNFAL]

US Navy destroyed the more experienced Japanese Navy in WW2. Experience is over-rated. 10 years is plenty of time for China to master the fundamentals of carrier warfare.

That is crappy logic. The interwar years (WW1 and WW2) was used by Japan to specifically match up to the USN. This thought process started way early in 1900s and it was only towards the end of the first WW that japan slowly started to assert itself as the modern steel navy-including manufacturing inhouse.
SO in a nutshell, Japan tried to match USN and lost. And it not the other way around

 

[Iggy]

And how exactly are they going to do it? The change in Japanese policies did us a favour. They are commissioning some advanced ships and Chinese will have no choice but to commit more ships to that area. Chinese do not have the capability to control Indian Ocean. We have more advantage in Indian ocean than Chinese. Maximum they can do is some port visits, take some photos and go back to China.

And we can always keep pressure by arming Vietnam.

 

[damiendehorn]

just so u know..we just kicked out a pro-chinese srilankan govt and installed a pro-indian govt there...and also we kicked out a chinese bid to develop a bangladeshi port and now india will develop it..also sitwe port in myanmar is being developed by india..myanmar has kicked out chinese comps some time back..

Sorry since when is india building any ports in Bangladesh, stop lying. The port development is going to go to open tender process with interest from China, Japan, UAE, Netherlands and india. Considering the size of the project and the required funding the indian bid is considred to be the least likely, so stop your lies...right now China is still the front runners for building the port.