Philippine warship in stand-off with China vessels

[Starblazer]

It's very easy for countries like Korea and Japan; less than a month max. After all, we sell world-class nuclear power plants and fusion reactors that India and Pakistan can't even dream of building; we don't even need centrifuges to enrich plutonium; we can do that with laser.

Small nations like Korea and Japan can never achieve MAD, it won't take many nukes at all to make the already limited space unlivable, there's no place to retreat to except the ocean, At least China has the Himalayas and US has the Rockies, it will never be an equal exchange.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Small nations like Korea and Japan can never achieve MAD, it won't take many nukes at all to make the already limited space unlivable, there's no place to retreat to except the ocean, At least China has the Himalayas and US has the Rockies, it will never be an equal exchange.

He actually thinks South Korea has the ability to make nukes lmao.

 

[anon45]

With 2-3 megatons per warhead, vs kilotons for the US warheads, there's still going to be very unacceptable losses.

We've faced the Tsar Bomba and created warheads of up to 25 megatons, your 2-3 megatons don't impress us.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

We've faced the Tsar Bomba and created warheads of up to 25 megatons, your 2-3 megatons don't impress us.

The difference is, your 25 megatons was a stationary bomb. Ours are ICBM deliverable. The Tsar Bomba was also undeliverable except by special plane.

 

[anon45]

why would usa trade new york, dc and la just to avenge the nuking of a nation of mass murderers? besides, its so much easier to let north korea pump all seoul residents full of nerve gas.

Because we gave our word, and if China is insane enough to force us to that point they are already an unacceptable problem that must be wiped from the face of the Earth.

Basically the China you envision SinoChallenger would not be permitted to exist.

 

[Secur]

Thousands of very acurate nuclear warheads that can potentially hit all areas of China very quickly vs low hundred/s for China.



No, YOU don't understand the concept of MAD, it literally is defined as total and utter destruction of the country. a few hundred nukes doesn't do that when multiple nukes are required to assure destruction of a city, and that doesn't even include missile defense.

So when its US warheads , they can hit accurately and at all Chinese cities But when it comes to Chinese , suddenly it becomes low hundreds and inaccurate nukes ... Double standards , much ?

I understand it better than you ... Yes , why wont China be able to do that ? Stop these ridiculous logics ... few hundred nukes , you talk of them as if they are some sort of joke ... US would cease to exist as a country , wouldn't that be MAD ? Let me remind you again , MAD doesn't mean that every single citizen of other country is dead or all areas are nuked ... It simply means , an unbearable loss for the enemy ... Total and utter destruction is to be understood in the right context ... Because absolutely total annihilation of life isn't possible ...

Because we gave our word, and if China is insane enough to force us to that point they are already an unacceptable problem that must be wiped from the face of the Earth.

Basically the China you envision SinoChallenger would not be permitted to exist.

Sorry , China isn't asking permission from US to exist actually ... To force you to what point ? You will feel forced if you continue acting as the world's police otherwise its all fine for you ... SCS is again not anywhere close to US mainland , is it ? Your word ? I better take guarantee from Lucifer himself

 

[anon45]

The difference is, your 25 megatons was a stationary bomb. Ours are ICBM deliverable. The Tsar Bomba was also undeliverable except by special plane.

and these days we have missile defence, and hair trigger capability where before we had none and danced with the Soviet Union who had 10's of thousands of nukes. Still not impressed.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

China doesn't have MAD capability.

We would nuke China for South Korea or the Philippines should China bring us to such a point, as they are under our nuclear umbrella. You are free to believe otherwise at Shanghai and Beijing's peril, but it's not like we've made any secret of it.

That's just Hollywoodian dream, China don't have "NAtion wipe" nukes yet but deterrent capability will bring U.S back to stone age..your gorverment sure know how far their can go with China ..so be a planet savor with NUKE as embrella is jusk peace time diplomacy sketch...and a candy promise for kid-country like Korea and Phillipine...LMAO

 

[Starblazer]

Sorry , China isn't asking permission from US to exist actually ... To force you to what point ? You will feel forced if you continue acting as the world's police otherwise its all fine for you ... SCS is again not anywhere close to US mainland , is it ?

Actually I think only the US has a preemptive nuclear strike policy, If anyone is insane it should be their government and people like anon here begging for a nuclear war, armchair generals are so funny.

 

[Secur]

and these days we have missile defence, and hair trigger capability where before we had none and danced with the Soviet Union who had 10's of thousands of nukes. Still not impressed.

Dont get me started on its reliability and what your own Generals have to say about it ... You played cautiously with them just like you are doing with China now , the worst thing is that China has no interest in fighting wars without reason ...

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

I've never been able to understand why every thread turns into a "we have bigger nukes than you" war. It would be absolutely horrific for ANY country to use nuclear weapons. It would be destabilizing and have world-wide effects and yes, consequences! One can only wish that "multi-megaton" warhead is never used in any war.

 

[longyi]

I've never been able to understand why every thread turns into a "we have bigger nukes than you" war. It would be absolutely horrific for ANY country to use nuclear weapons. It would be destabilizing and have world-wide effects and yes, consequences! One can only wish that "multi-megaton" warhead is never used in any war.

You're in the treacherous world of make believe. Avoid them if you can otherwise you can be radicalized

BTW Welcome to the forum.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I've never been able to understand why every thread turns into a "we have bigger nukes than you" war. It would be absolutely horrific for ANY country to use nuclear weapons. It would be destabilizing and have world-wide effects and yes, consequences! One can only wish that "multi-megaton" warhead is never used in any war.

Don't you know that some inferiority complex such Indians, korean (no S only one) and Vietnamesesss...when they are so insecure and desperately need backup against Chinese in this forums...so invoking U.S NUke will give them some reliefs...LMAO.
Not without saying those false flagger carry U.S flagg to bring U.S against China.

 

[anon45]

So when its US warheads , they can hit accurately and at all Chinese cities But when it comes to Chinese , suddenly it becomes low hundreds and inaccurate nukes ... Double standards , much ?

I understand it better than you ... Yes , why wont China be able to do that ? Stop these ridiculous logics ... few hundred nukes , you talk of them as if they are some sort of joke ... US would cease to exist as a country , wouldn't that be MAD ? Let me remind you again , MAD doesn't mean that every single citizen of other country is dead or all areas are nukes ... It simply means , an unbearable loss for the enemy ... Total and utter destruction is to be understood in the right context ... Because absolutely total annihilation of life isn't possible ...

Who said anything about the Chinese having inaccurate nukes? They very well may not be as accurate as US nukes, but with a megaton yield aimed at a city it doesn't particularly matter.

No, a few hundred wouldn't bring an end to the United States as a country considering how dispersed our government is. 51 seats of power, not all of which are in major cities.


Assuming China expends its entire arsenal against the US in a first strike at the same time with magical delivery vehicles appearing out of thin air and
assuming 4 nuclear weapons for each target (should be more like 8 for the large cities and centers such as Los Angeles,New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc), China is running low. Then there are military bases outside of cities, bunker strongholds such as camp david, nuclear shelters etc. Nope, China's not even close. A few hundred nuclear weapons wouldn't be sufficient for MAD against China either, the US is roughly the size of China.

We have 5000 nukes... do the math.

There is of course no way to determine how many nukes are prepped at any time, but usually the delivery systems are the choke point, and the US has the robust capability and accuracy to take out a portion of the Chinese arsenal before it launches. China would be hard pressed to destroy all our centers of power.

Sorry , China isn't asking permission from US to exist actually ... To force you to what point ? You will feel forced if you continue acting as the world's police otherwise its all fine for you ... SCS is again not anywhere close to US mainland , is it ? Your word ? I better take guarantee from Lucifer himself

You mean you didn't read Challenger's drivel about gassing seoul and nuking the Philippines, probably saved yourself a tumor.

You are free not to believe it, but apparently it carries enough weight that China treads carefully, and other countries are heading into the US camp. At the very least our guarantees seem to hold more weight than China's guarantees of a peaceful rise.

I've never been able to understand why every thread turns into a "we have bigger nukes than you" war. It would be absolutely horrific for ANY country to use nuclear weapons. It would be destabilizing and have world-wide effects and yes, consequences! One can only wish that "multi-megaton" warhead is never used in any war.

Because that is the maximum extent to which a country can fight, and some love wanking their e-peens in a futile display of 'dominance' because they are insecure about their country. An actual nuclear war would be very terrible, the living would envy the dead. It will hopefully never happen.

Dont get me started on its reliability and what your own Generals have to say about it ... You played cautiously with them just like you are doing with China now , the worst thing is that China has no interest in fighting wars without reason ...

Of course we are cautious, and China should be too. Nuking the Philippines and gassing Seoul as challenger has been going on about isn't cautious.

 

[ephone]

Chinese people know that long time ago. It is our government's official policy. There is no need to twist comments from certain member thus suspect overall Chinese people's knowledge on this matter.

This is kept a secret to Chinese population, that China was the first to declare that they would never use nuclear weapons against anyone(even against nuclear powers) first. President Obama was the second to declare a similar thing(not as strong as the Chinese pledge), that US would not use or threatened to use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear power first even if gas/bio attacked.