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Perspective: I am an Ahmadi Muslim and I love Pakistan

I excommunicated my Ahmadi friends for not who they were but for lying in my face. You are doing exactly the same.
  • "All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
    (Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)

    • "God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
      (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
    • "Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
      (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
just an example of these lying to my face quotes you jsut copy pasted show me at least one from official website

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/AU6-5.pdf This is the Aeena-e-Sadaqat
 
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No matter how much I love Pakistan, it is not the place for me to be right now. No matter how much I say I love it, I will always be labelled a traitor in the place I call home. No matter how much I sacrifice for my country, my fellow citizens will always look at me with contempt and hatred. No matter how patriotic I am, I will be punished.. for being me.

I am an Ahmadi Muslim. I believe in the Oneness of Allah. I pray 5 times a day. I recite the Holy Quran. I fast during the month of Ramazan. And contrary to popular belief, I also believe in the finality of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). Then why must my religion make me out to be a traitor? Why must my faith decide that I should be murdered? Why must my belief make me so unworthy that even my own country, my homeland, fails to own me anymore?

I was born in and have lived all my life in Pakistan. Despite all the economic and social issues, I have loved Pakistan deeply and have never been able to imagine a life in any other country. Why then has my love for my country been reciprocated with hate? If I have never done anything bad for my country, why has it passed out a death sentence for me?

There are so many questions in my mind. I have been asking them from people who hate “my kind”, religious and non-religious people, and I have never been able to get a proper answer. The main question is this – who gave people in power the right to act like God? I know that the God I know does not give His rights to anyone. There is only One God and there always will be One. And He does not give anyone rights to kill innocent people, to massacre them, to murder them, to desecrate their graves, to makes their lives a living hell.

These people who pretend to take God’s place, they don’t know how Merciful He is, how Compassionate He is, how Gracious He is. Why then do they make Him out to be a God who punishes people for living in peace and for practicing their religion? Why do these people drag my beautiful God’s name when they are killing people like us, people who are not worthy of living in their eyes, minorities like the Shias, Ahmadis, Christians, Hindus, Hazaras and a hundred others that live in this country, fearing death with each passing second? If they did not deserve to live, why did God create them in the first place?

The flag of Pakistan has two colors – green and white. The green represents the majority, and the white represents the minority. I don’t remember ever reading that the minorities were not to be given equal status, I was never told that minorities were to be looked down upon, or killed, or shot, or raped, or kidnapped, or tortured, or humiliated. I was never told that minorities were not the “official” citizens of Pakistan. I was never told that living as a minority in Pakistan would mean I, or the million other minorities currently residing in Pakistan, would be somehow on a lower status as compared to the “official” majority of Pakistan.

I am a Pakistani. No one can take that away from me. You can shoot me for loving my country. You can torture me. You can kill me. But you will never be able to snatch away my love for Pakistan and my belief in Ahmadiyyat away from me, no matter how hard you try. You say you are “cleaning” Pakistan from all the traitors, but I say this. It is traitors like you, killing innocent people, who need to be thrown out to disinfect Pakistan. It is your intolerance that needs to be punished. It is your fatwey that need to stop being published. It is you. It is not us. And as time will tell, it never will be.

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just an example of these lying to my face quotes you jsut copy pasted show me at least one from official website

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/AU6-5.pdf This is the Aeena-e-Sadaqat

It doesn't matter WHERE i copied it from. I have read it MYSELF from hard copies and validated it.

If you can give us honest answers supported by authentic ahmadi material, we will have an argument, otherwise you are living in denial and taking us for fools.

  • Ahmadis consider Muslims as Kuffar
  • Ahmadis girls are forbidden from marrying Muslim men
  • Ahmadis are forbidden from attending Muslim weddings
  • Ahmadis are forbidden from attending Jamat lead by a Muslim Imam
  • Ahmadis are forbidden from attending or praying funeral of Muslims.
 
It doesn't matter WHERE i copied it from. I have read it MYSELF from hard copies and validated it.

If you can give us honest answers supported by authentic ahmadi material, we will have an argument, otherwise you are living in denial and taking us for fools.

  • Ahmadis consider Muslims as Kuffar
  • Ahmadis girls are forbidden from marrying Muslim men
  • Ahmadis are forbidden from attending Muslim weddings
  • Ahmadis are forbidden from attending Jamat lead by a Muslim Imam
  • Ahmadis are forbidden from attending or praying funeral of Muslims.

you can watch it from 10:00 onwards
 
Their country, their rules.

Our policy is not to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.

For crying out loud. That's like saying - "Hey let Idi Amin and Pol Pot do what they want - their country, their rules." If a state discriminates against its own citizens then we have a problem. Societies have and will continue to discriminate but a state can't constitutionalize discrimination.
 
you can watch it from 10:00 onwards

Dear Ehsan, this is just a 'media statement' presented in a rather well know Ahmadi deceit of authentic Islam. Mirza Bashir's writings have explicitly and categorically stated that Ahmadiya consider Muslims as Kuffar who cannot earn salvation through sawab o jaza without believing in their false messiah.

I provided you with excerpts taken from Ahmadi writings, i would like you to comment on it through Ahmadi writings. Lastly, you plainly ignored the questions i asked in my above post in regards to what Ahmadis are forbidden from. I would take that as a quiet yes.
 
I think you have here two separate questions -
1- Are Ahmadis allowed to live in Pakistan peacefully.
I believe you have every right to live here peacefully. however i do agree that unfortunately a portion of our illiterate and jahil awam has nothing constructive to do and they indulge in such stupid and criminal activities. To top it our shameless and characterless Govt has never tried to solve public problems unless they relate to them or their votes.

2- Are Ahmadees Muslims
This is a separate debate. In my view as long as you dont find any iteration, addition or subtraction in Kalma shahada, including declaring mirza as some 2nd, 3rd or any grade maseyah etc then you are a Muslim .. thats just my understanding and belief.
 
I think you have here two separate questions -
1- Are Ahmadis allowed to live in Pakistan peacefully.
I believe you have every right to live here peacefully. however i do agree that unfortunately a portion of our illiterate and jahil awam has nothing constructive to do and they indulge in such stupid and criminal activities. To top it our shameless and characterless Govt has never tried to solve public problems unless they relate to them or their votes.

2- Are Ahmadees Muslims
This is a separate debate. In my view as long as you dont find any iteration, addition or subtraction in Kalma shahada, including declaring mirza as some 2nd, 3rd or any grade maseyah etc then you are a Muslim .. thats just my understanding and belief.
On 2nd they are not they consider Mirza a PROPHET which he was not the Lahore Group considers him Mehdi still he was a liar because he was also no Mehdi
 
Dont ask me any questions like why, how, who, where, about Pakistan or Pakistanis....because I will have nothing to say
 

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